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Wednesday, February 17th episode discussion
Topic Started: Feb 16 2016, 07:14 PM (29,100 Views)
anzu


One thing I will say is that the greenness of the actors really kind of showed in the actual scene because the spoken parts were really....not well acted, though the actual camera shots and angles were good. I didn't get fear until they did a close up of her eyes, VJ sounded like she was saying no to dinner and Jonathan sounded bored. But what the heck, she's robotic as hell acting but I have a soft spot for VJ so i'm rooting for her to get it together and I like her with Theo (Thiara :wub2: ) even though they kind of sounded like they were reading their lines from a paper.
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wallflower
Feb 17 2016, 06:47 PM
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Feb 17 2016, 12:00 PM
Has anyone at all heard a rumor that none of this Andre/Hope/Rafe stuff has happened that it is ALL in Hope's mind because she has already lost it and is in a mental hospital..or something to that effect?
I hoping it goes something like that.
Please make this be true.
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granolagirl
Feb 17 2016, 10:45 PM
My read is that they saved them to show Ava's delusions about Steve starting to break, and switching over into a different mode of crazy. There have been enough references to her liking rough sex and Steve manhandling her that I don't think that was the problem. His aggressiveness was to take some control back, in a situation that he did not control, and her reaction is just that she didn't get what she wanted out of it.
I felt like she hated herself for a multitude of reasons during that scene.
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elizhope
Feb 17 2016, 05:33 PM
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Feb 17 2016, 05:26 PM
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Feb 17 2016, 05:22 PM

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No.
Yea... sounded like he was just trying to convince Chase to try harder to date her. Chase said he had just been sitting back, waiting for her to notice him. Andre told him not to be a jerk, but to show her you want to be with her and would be willing to fight for her to get out of the "friend zone". I didnt get "chase go rape ciara" from the conversation at all.
So Andre is the Dear Abby of villainy? If he didn't want Chase to do something vicious to Ciara, why is he bothering? I don't get his motivation at all.
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Feb 17 2016, 11:24 PM
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Feb 17 2016, 05:33 PM
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Feb 17 2016, 05:26 PM

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Yea... sounded like he was just trying to convince Chase to try harder to date her. Chase said he had just been sitting back, waiting for her to notice him. Andre told him not to be a jerk, but to show her you want to be with her and would be willing to fight for her to get out of the "friend zone". I didnt get "chase go rape ciara" from the conversation at all.
So Andre is the Dear Abby of villainy? If he didn't want Chase to do something vicious to Ciara, why is he bothering? I don't get his motivation at all.
I think his motivation was that he was using Chase's ... feelings for Ciara to get Chase to stay in town. When Andre found Chase in the park after the fire, he was getting ready to leave town. I think Andre wanted to use Chase against Hope and Rafe in some way and he couldn't do that if he left town.

So, he takes him in, tells him it's okay to think about his father and that he shouldn't give up on Ciara but should "fight" to make her love him, that Ciara was attracted to him, etc.

I don't think his intention was to make Chase rape Ciara. It was to make him stay in town because of Ciara so that Andre could continue to manipulate him. Maybe to spy on Hope, maybe to use him in some other way. And he was using Chase's feelings for Ciara to do it.
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I will say, there's something about doing this with a character like Ciara that makes this automatically deeper. I think the comparisons with Sami are pretty basic, but Ciara had more of a personality as a child than Sami did and more of her own identity. That alone makes this more of a moment where as an audience member, I want to rip Chase's head off and feed it to a pack of wolves.

I typed this four hours ago and apparently didn't hit reply. Unless I did. In which case, sorry for the repost.
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Feb 17 2016, 11:24 PM
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Feb 17 2016, 05:33 PM
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Yea... sounded like he was just trying to convince Chase to try harder to date her. Chase said he had just been sitting back, waiting for her to notice him. Andre told him not to be a jerk, but to show her you want to be with her and would be willing to fight for her to get out of the "friend zone". I didnt get "chase go rape ciara" from the conversation at all.
So Andre is the Dear Abby of villainy? If he didn't want Chase to do something vicious to Ciara, why is he bothering? I don't get his motivation at all.
I think he wants Chase and Ciara together so he can use Chase to "get to" Hope for revenge purposes somehow.
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I think he was thinking that he could get Chase to kill Hope (or all of them) eventually like he got Aiden to IF [Hope] stood in the way of [Chase] getting Ciara (or if Ciara rejected him). Build him up to tear them down as [Andre] knows he's heading [Chase] into a direction where [Chase] will fail and be further vulnerable to doing dark things to Hope (and her family).
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Feb 17 2016, 06:28 PM
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Feb 17 2016, 06:18 PM
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Feb 17 2016, 05:30 PM

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Or they have nothing to replace it with at the moment?
They would probably rather do five cheap talk shows than a soap, if there was no real interest in keeping it. It doesn't give them much revenue, it's too much effort for something they actually don't want to do, so I'm inclined to believe that they actually do want to keep them. On their terms, of course, but still. And of course, there are people who want DAYS to go far, far away, but there are some fighting for it. But not because they couldn't put something else on the air or because they make so much money on it. So there's a little hope :D

They do need to re-evaluate how they handle things surrounding their soap though, because that needs some improving. Like... overhaul style.
I disagree. I think if the network had something that was a guaranteed money making show they would dump Days in a heartbeat, and put it on the air. I don't think they have any kind of loyalty to Days of Our Lives at all. I think they're sticking with it because they're relatively sure of the money it will continue to make, not because they have any desire to keep the genre alive. ABC thought they were going to hit pay dirt by bringing on a food network type show, and had no compunction about dumping a long running soap from its daytime line-up once they had The Chew ready to go. I think if NBC thought they had a sure fire hit, they'd do the same thing. I haven't looked into it, but I don't think The Chew has done what ABC wanted it to do, so that might be why NBC hasn't jumped on that bandwagon. Once they get rid of DAYS there's no going back, so maybe they're tentative on taking that risk.
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Feb 17 2016, 11:30 PM
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Feb 17 2016, 11:24 PM
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Feb 17 2016, 05:33 PM

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So Andre is the Dear Abby of villainy? If he didn't want Chase to do something vicious to Ciara, why is he bothering? I don't get his motivation at all.
I think his motivation was that he was using Chase's ... feelings for Ciara to get Chase to stay in town. When Andre found Chase in the park after the fire, he was getting ready to leave town. I think Andre wanted to use Chase against Hope and Rafe in some way and he couldn't do that if he left town.

So, he takes him in, tells him it's okay to think about his father and that he shouldn't give up on Ciara but should "fight" to make her love him, that Ciara was attracted to him, etc.

I don't think his intention was to make Chase rape Ciara. It was to make him stay in town because of Ciara so that Andre could continue to manipulate him. Maybe to spy on Hope, maybe to use him in some other way. And he was using Chase's feelings for Ciara to do it.
Yea, I still don't see why he would bother using some kid to get to Hope. Just like how it was pointless to brainwash Chad to get Belle to reveal where the money was. I think the writers are just using the Stefano murder plot to drive other stories for other characters, i.e. lazy writing.
Edited by Rosebud, Feb 18 2016, 12:03 AM.
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kay
Feb 17 2016, 10:58 PM
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Feb 17 2016, 06:47 PM
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Feb 17 2016, 12:00 PM
Has anyone at all heard a rumor that none of this Andre/Hope/Rafe stuff has happened that it is ALL in Hope's mind because she has already lost it and is in a mental hospital..or something to that effect?
I hoping it goes something like that.
Please make this be true.
I hope so
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kay
Feb 17 2016, 10:58 PM
wallflower
Feb 17 2016, 06:47 PM
KweenBoda
Feb 17 2016, 12:00 PM
Has anyone at all heard a rumor that none of this Andre/Hope/Rafe stuff has happened that it is ALL in Hope's mind because she has already lost it and is in a mental hospital..or something to that effect?
I hoping it goes something like that.
Please make this be true.
I also could see that she did shoot Stefano but she cracked up after that and what Rafe is doing is just in Hope's head...it would be a way to save Hope and Rafe.
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Feb 17 2016, 09:11 PM
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Feb 17 2016, 09:02 PM
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Feb 17 2016, 08:34 PM

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I think her guess was within reason. But you still don't call your mother a whore. Even if it's true.
Seriously? I would. A whore is a whore. Giving birth doesn't earn you sainthood. Animals have offspring..... I've known some horrid "mothers".

I don't consider Belle a whore though.

Edit: My mother was the furthest thing from a whore. Loved her.
I calls it like I sees it in my family.

Been called a traitor a number of times for doing it but I don't really give a rip. I'm not going to play along when the Emperor is naked.

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lysie
Feb 17 2016, 11:40 PM
I will say, there's something about doing this with a character like Ciara that makes this automatically deeper. I think the comparisons with Sami are pretty basic, but Ciara had more of a personality as a child than Sami did and more of her own identity. That alone makes this more of a moment where as an audience member, I want to rip Chase's head off and feed it to a pack of wolves.

I typed this four hours ago and apparently didn't hit reply. Unless I did. In which case, sorry for the repost.
I definitely agree with that, but it also means that the show has to be very careful in how it handles the aftermath and fallout of the rape.

I guess from some spoilers the show will use Marlena for counseling when Hope learns what happened, but this is a time that I really wish they could incorporate Kim into a storyline. You would think that, knowing Ciara's aunt has spent decades counseling child victims of abuse, particularly sexual abuse, and also suffered sexual abuse by a relative, someone in the family might think to give Kim a call.
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Feb 18 2016, 12:16 AM
kay
Feb 17 2016, 10:58 PM
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Feb 17 2016, 06:47 PM

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Please make this be true.
I also could see that she did shoot Stefano but she cracked up after that and what Rafe is doing is just in Hope's head...it would be a way to save Hope and Rafe.
It would be hilarious that her head would be so busy making imaginary Rafe be so infatuated with her :D
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Finally I can see why they needed to SORAS Ciara...
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Apparently in order to become Chase's friend, you give him food.

Chase and I have this in common.
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This scene between Andre and Chase about Ciara is kind of gross.
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"Well obviously you didn't read her wikipedia page" .. lol
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Feb 17 2016, 09:11 PM
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Feb 17 2016, 09:02 PM
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Feb 17 2016, 08:34 PM

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I think her guess was within reason. But you still don't call your mother a whore. Even if it's true.
Seriously? I would. A whore is a whore. Giving birth doesn't earn you sainthood. Animals have offspring..... I've known some horrid "mothers".

I don't consider Belle a whore though.

Edit: My mother was the furthest thing from a whore. Loved her.
Belle isn't a horrible mother to Claire. She deserves respect. Claire calling her a whore was uncalled for.
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