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Wednesday, February 17th episode discussion
Topic Started: Feb 16 2016, 07:14 PM (29,099 Views)
laurondo
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DiMera87
Feb 17 2016, 08:46 PM
Did anyone that actually watched the show think Andre sent Chase on a mission to rape Ciara? I'm so confused by this line of thinking. I really didn't even get the implications. Although he was creepy as all hell and putting dark thoughts in Chase's head. I think it was more about trying to blow up Hope's family than any exact outcome like that.
I thought that, but I think that's because I knew the rape was coming up. Had I not known that, I doubt I would've thought Andre was implying anything that heinous.
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laurondo
Feb 18 2016, 03:42 AM
"Well obviously you didn't read her wikipedia page" .. lol
Andre was not helping his case with that Wikipedia argument.

Just the first paragraph of each of their Wikipedia pages.

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In 1983, Andre is summoned to Salem by his uncle Stefano DiMera having recently undergone plastic surgery to look like Stefano's son Tony. With Tony unwilling to cooperate with his demands, Stefano enlisted the ruthless Andre to help him run the DiMera Empire. Their first order of business: to rid Salem of Roman Brady by framing him for the Salem Slasher murders. Wearing a Roman mask, Andre kills prostitute Daisy Hawkins in November 1983 in front of Roman's wife Marlena Evans and Sandy Horton leading to the real Roman's arrest. In 1984, Tony's ex-wife Anna discovers Tony chained up in his own penthouse and Andre locks her away with him as he is revealed to be behind the murders. Roman rescues them and Tony confronts his cousin Andre only for him to escape to Stefano's island. Andre's other victims include Stefano's daughter Renee DuMonde, Nurse Kelly Harper, Marlena's cousin Trista Evans, and Letitia Bradford. During his time posing as Tony, Andre also goes after Gwen Davies , Police officer Joan Hopkins, and Hope Williams -- all of whom managed to survive...


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Hope Alice Williams, the mother of Shawn-Douglas, Zack and Ciara Brady, was born on-screen on January 10, 1974 to Doug Williams and Addie Horton. Soon after she marries Doug and becomes pregnant, Addie discovers she is suffering from leukemia, but she declines treatment in order to save her unborn baby. On December 24, 1974, while crossing the street, an oncoming car careens towards Hope and Addie, but Addie pushes Hope's baby-carriage out of the way, just in time to save her baby daughter, but not herself. Addie dies, and Hope is taken in by her maternal grandparents, Tom and Alice Horton, until Doug is strong enough to take care of her. Addie, who was wealthy from her first marriage to Ben Olson, leaves Doug and Hope with financial security. Soon after Addie's death, Doug marries Hope's half-sister Julie Olson. Hope is sent off to boarding school in 1982 and is not seen again until a year later. She returns in the spring of 1983 when Roman Brady rescues her after she runs away from boarding school and later falls from a car driven by a drunk friend. She later develops a crush on Roman...


Edited by AngelaP, Feb 18 2016, 04:19 AM.
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Just a thought, didn't Andre give chase breakfast or sandwich when they were on the bench in the park, maybe he did put something in it to drugs chase.
Hoping for such an explanation since I am unhappy what they did to the Jennings family.
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The Room Stops
Feb 17 2016, 03:09 PM
Hugo
Feb 17 2016, 02:36 PM
I thought Chloe (not Chelsea) raped Billy? Their daughter died and she wanted to have another child from him.

Speaking of Y&R, Kevin raped Lily years ago and they are both still on the show, Kevin is mostly a good guy now. I think Chase can be redeemed but I think the writers are too lazy for that, I bet the rumor of Theo murdering Chase is true.
:facepalm:
But why should he be redeemed? He's not an important character, and he raped a young legacy character. Why can't he just be punished for what he did? The way rapists should be.
Why can't he be punished and later redeemed?
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DaveB81
Feb 17 2016, 08:09 PM
DocandJohn4ever
Feb 17 2016, 04:04 PM
bygnedys
Feb 17 2016, 01:49 PM

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There was also the hospital rapist storyline in 1986 with Maggie, and Christy Lynn being attacked and Robin, Jennifer and Melissa as almost victims

The issue that I have with these kinds of storylines being written now is that they're never done right, beats are always missed and the fall out of the storylines are basically non existent. Back then it was taken more seriously and was written more tactfully and they used it as an outlet to educate people.
I remember hearing that Jennifer was raped by Lawrence Alamain. Was she raped again in the hospital story your speaking of?
Almost Marlena walked in on him attacking her and he fled
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Lovejm


I didn't see any cuts in the recap. Maybe they're into us lol
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Lovejm
Feb 18 2016, 08:09 AM
I didn't see any cuts in the recap. Maybe they're into us lol
Maybe Josh's stuff has started airing and they aren't making cuts and tweaks anymore?
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esp13
Feb 17 2016, 04:37 PM
Lovejm
Feb 17 2016, 04:27 PM
I'm going to comment on the rest of today later but I am pretty surprised we had another round of Steve having the opportunity to tell Kayla and deciding not to. At this point Josh had the leeway to tweak this so Steve didn't lie repeatedly. And I don't think they're playing the he's ashamed it was rape angle either. He's just not telling her. I really thought Josh was a Steve and Kayla fan but I kind of feel he's more a Kayla fan. Steve hasn't looked great from start to finish in this story while Kayla's instincts were right all along.

I'm wondering if we see single Kayla at some point after this. They seem to deliberately be leaving it in a way where Steve wasn't truthful. They could have told the Ava exit story we think is coming without the S&K trust issues involved.
See, I disagree about Steve lying repeatedly. This is only the second episode where he's been home and both times he told part of the truth. I'm not saying he's not lying, but there's a difference in this from anything I've been through with Steve. He's not making up a story or excuses not to talk to her. He's not distracting her. He's very present and, however, reluctantly, as honest as he has to be in that moment. That's not typical Steve behavior and, thankfully, it's not been drug out.

I think they deliberately did it this way to show that Steve is trying to be honest, even if he can't bring himself to tell the full truth. I also think he is absolutely playing shame and regret. Maybe not specifically about "rape" but about what happened and what he let Ava do. It's been there every time he talked about making bad decisions, wanting to go back and do things differently, etc.

I agree that Steve hasn't looked great in this story, but I don't think that means the writer doesn't like him. I think it means that his bad decisions are driving the story (as has ever been the case). As far as the trust issues go, that IS the story. It's the one that didn't get told in order to push them together for the Ava story. I think the trust issues absolutely have to be involved for this story to have any meaning beyond shock value.
I don't think Steve was lying either. I agree with the word choice "he couldn't bring himself to tell it". I could see several reasons why - he may not want to hurt Kayla (because even if it was rape it still can hurt); he shouldn't but he may feel he was too weak to find other ways to save Kayla; he just may feel horrible even remembering and talking about it. I can totally understand that, I don't think it would be easy for me to talk about things like that to my partner.

I hope Kayla doesn't see it as an "affair" or "adultery" because that's not what it was and she knows it exactly because she was in danger, locked in that room. I don't want them to show it as a trust issue (eg. Steve doesn't trust Kayla will understand what happened) either. Because you don't want to tell things like that to your partner not because you don't trust them, but because you feel horrible and you know that your partner will feel as horrible too. Who wants that?
Edited by thepadange, Feb 18 2016, 08:48 AM.
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Lovejm


thepadange
Feb 18 2016, 08:25 AM
Lovejm
Feb 18 2016, 08:09 AM
I didn't see any cuts in the recap. Maybe they're into us lol
Maybe Josh's stuff has started airing and they aren't making cuts and tweaks anymore?
Maybe. I still think we're in the tweaking phase for another week or two.

I think the problem is they film more than the alloted time for each show so matter who's writing there's cuts.
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Lovejm
Feb 18 2016, 08:50 AM
thepadange
Feb 18 2016, 08:25 AM
Lovejm
Feb 18 2016, 08:09 AM
I didn't see any cuts in the recap. Maybe they're into us lol
Maybe Josh's stuff has started airing and they aren't making cuts and tweaks anymore?
Maybe. I still think we're in the tweaking phase for another week or two.

I think the problem is they film more than the alloted time for each show so matter who's writing there's cuts.
Their regular cuts probably don't make it to summaries. :shrug:
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nikemi


I think VJ is a beautiful young woman, but currently the only scenes that interest me that she has are the Thiara scenes. I hope the young actress can pull off the rape material. You know the way they are scripting Theo right now if you didn't know his back story you would never know the character has autism.
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thepadange
Feb 18 2016, 08:57 AM
Lovejm
Feb 18 2016, 08:50 AM
thepadange
Feb 18 2016, 08:25 AM

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Maybe. I still think we're in the tweaking phase for another week or two.

I think the problem is they film more than the alloted time for each show so matter who's writing there's cuts.
Their regular cuts probably don't make it to summaries. :shrug:
Yea it's hard to tell. There were so many cuts in the fall too but I think we found out about most of them in the magazine or other pics.
Edited by Lovejm, Feb 18 2016, 09:01 AM.
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nikemi
Feb 18 2016, 08:58 AM
I think VJ is a beautiful young woman, but currently the only scenes that interest me that she has are the Thiara scenes. I hope the young actress can pull off the rape material. You know the way they are scripting Theo right now if you didn't know his back story you would never know the character has autism.
It will be interesting to see if they hit any autistic beats as this story plays out. I believe there is a spoiler about Theo sensing something is bugging Ciara. Autistic individuals don't read emotional cues quite the same as non-autistic individuals do. They tend to not make eye contact but focus more on the mouth when scanning a face & use body language as cues as well. VJ did an excellent job with her eyes yesterday, but her tendency to speak with a clenched mouth would, in real life, make it difficult for Theo to read her emotions unless she uses her body language to convey more of that emotion. I doubt they even talked about this tho since they do seem to forget little things like autism, glass eyes and prosthetic legs once they are past the initial plot point.

Edit: Looks like Ciara is not hiding it that well so anyone but a high Jennifer should realize that there is a problem.Glad that it is playing out that way.
Edited by daysjahvu, Feb 18 2016, 01:46 PM.
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JaimeLannister


The DiMeras are the definition of washed out. Stefano's murder storyline is really awful. Everyone involved needs to (preferably) be backburned or given new storylines.

Bell and Claire's scenes were my favourite of the episode. I really enjoy their difficult relationship because of how realistic it is. It makes sense that Belle's personality be a reason for her being a poor mother, instead of one specific thing she did be the cause. While Claire refering to her as a whore didn't shock me, I do wish she would've apologised for saying that. I actually also wish Belle had slapped her, not because she deserved it (though she did) but because that moment played weird otherwise.

I soooooo enjoyed Joey with his parents. It's ironic that it took Ava's fuckery for him to finally have some reaction to his father's actions. Even so, I did appreciate Steve disciplining him when he was walking away while Kayla was speaking. It's these little things which give weight to their family interactions. I thought Kayla's reaction to what Steve told her was.....underwhelming. She should've been a bit more pissed off, especially since it happened in her house and Joey's having a real issue with it. Given her current reaction I also don't see why we should care how she reacts to finding out that Steve did...give in to Ava's demands. IDK, their scenes today just diluted the impact of her future reaction.

I'm going to sisterhood hell but I felt nothing with Ciara's rape. I didn't even get a heightened sense of danger with her just being around Chase. The entire scene was pretty monotonous, both acting and dialogue wise. I think the rape was premature at this stage. If they'd played up more of Andre coaxing Chase over a few months and Ciara noting a change in him because of it, it would've upped the scales. I also didn't care for Theo describing Chase's personality to us. I mean he wasn't wrong but that kind of heavy handed writing irks.
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So can they burn that couch after this? I know it's been a part of the house and family but it looks really uncomfortable to sit on as well as when they take a nap on it.
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I just wanted to point out that there has been so much bad stuff happening to the Bo Brady family lately. I need for that dark cloud to go away and have some sunshine return into their life soon.
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Feb 17 2016, 09:10 PM
Kyrai
Feb 17 2016, 09:07 PM
I liked today's ep.

I didn't care for the way Claire spoke to Belle, but I liked Belle, Claire, and Shawn.

I hate that Steve can't make himself tell Kayla, but SN is really making me feel for him. I love Kayla wanting to get Ava over Joey. I'm dreading Kayla finding out, but I still think S&K can come out okay. I can't wait for Ava to get hers. I will say Ava is great at making me hate her.

I don't care for rape stories, particularly with teens and I don't even like seeing Chase and Ciara kiss. However, I'm going to keep an open mind and hope there is follow thru to make this worth while. I will say it's like watching a horror movie. You don't want to watch but do wondering what is going to happen, or to try anyway.

I care most about what Chad's thinking and what he will do. I think he believes Andre. The question is, how is that going to affect him? I absolutely hate Hope and Rafe for being so un-apologetically corrupt and want them to go down for it eventually (though I feel they won't), but I don't want friction between Hope to come between Chabby. Or maybe I do if it ends up being good friction, and the whole town slowly gets pulled in. Roman was brought in, John referenced and the stolen Dimera money becoming more important. I'm looking forward to seeing how Chad reacts, and how this unravels.
I have a bad feeling the murder and cover up is going to be the direct cause of Chabby imploding.
To me, that is stupid. I'd much rather see Chabby have issues that are their own and not Hope's, Rafe's, or Andre's.
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Feb 18 2016, 11:36 AM
I'm going to sisterhood hell but I felt nothing with Ciara's rape. I didn't even get a heightened sense of danger with her just being around Chase. The entire scene was pretty monotonous, both acting and dialogue wise. I think the rape was premature at this stage. If they'd played up more of Andre coaxing Chase over a few months and Ciara noting a change in him because of it, it would've upped the scales. I also didn't care for Theo describing Chase's personality to us. I mean he wasn't wrong but that kind of heavy handed writing irks.
ICAM. I just viewed the scene and it was really poorly done. I know some people are saying that we should wait to judge and wait to see the fallout, but I think we should be able to gauge how this will play out based on recent (and even not-so-recent) history. I see no reason to believe any of this will be meaningful or well done in any way. I've been checking here to see the real emotional repercussions of Bo's death for months now, and I've seen little to none. Even though everyone is saying that the show is getting back to how good it was in November, I think it left A LOT to be desired back then too. Realistically, there is no reason to think things will all of a sudden get better.
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Feb 18 2016, 12:04 PM
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Feb 17 2016, 09:10 PM
Kyrai
Feb 17 2016, 09:07 PM
I liked today's ep.

I didn't care for the way Claire spoke to Belle, but I liked Belle, Claire, and Shawn.

I hate that Steve can't make himself tell Kayla, but SN is really making me feel for him. I love Kayla wanting to get Ava over Joey. I'm dreading Kayla finding out, but I still think S&K can come out okay. I can't wait for Ava to get hers. I will say Ava is great at making me hate her.

I don't care for rape stories, particularly with teens and I don't even like seeing Chase and Ciara kiss. However, I'm going to keep an open mind and hope there is follow thru to make this worth while. I will say it's like watching a horror movie. You don't want to watch but do wondering what is going to happen, or to try anyway.

I care most about what Chad's thinking and what he will do. I think he believes Andre. The question is, how is that going to affect him? I absolutely hate Hope and Rafe for being so un-apologetically corrupt and want them to go down for it eventually (though I feel they won't), but I don't want friction between Hope to come between Chabby. Or maybe I do if it ends up being good friction, and the whole town slowly gets pulled in. Roman was brought in, John referenced and the stolen Dimera money becoming more important. I'm looking forward to seeing how Chad reacts, and how this unravels.
I have a bad feeling the murder and cover up is going to be the direct cause of Chabby imploding.
To me, that is stupid. I'd much rather see Chabby have issues that are their own and not Hope's, Rafe's, or Andre's.
I feel like this is an issue for Abby and Chad. Chad is a Dimera and that's been a sticking point in their relationship from the get go. Abby is related to Hope who murdered his father and is covering up.

It's their families, like them or not.

If KM weren't leaving, I'd think this would be good conflict/angst for them to work thru.

I'm not sure what to think now, honestly, but I like Chad and Abby being a part of a bigger story and not isolated.
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Feb 18 2016, 12:19 PM
JaimeLannister
Feb 18 2016, 11:36 AM
I'm going to sisterhood hell but I felt nothing with Ciara's rape. I didn't even get a heightened sense of danger with her just being around Chase. The entire scene was pretty monotonous, both acting and dialogue wise. I think the rape was premature at this stage. If they'd played up more of Andre coaxing Chase over a few months and Ciara noting a change in him because of it, it would've upped the scales. I also didn't care for Theo describing Chase's personality to us. I mean he wasn't wrong but that kind of heavy handed writing irks.
ICAM. I just viewed the scene and it was really poorly done. I know some people are saying that we should wait to judge and wait to see the fallout, but I think we should be able to gauge how this will play out based on recent (and even not-so-recent) history. I see no reason to believe any of this will be meaningful or well done in any way. I've been checking here to see the real emotional repercussions of Bo's death for months now, and I've seen little to none. Even though everyone is saying that the show is getting back to how good it was in November, I think it left A LOT to be desired back then too. Realistically, there is no reason to think things will all of a sudden get better.
I agree with you, but my heart is hoping that the 50th rush is over and Higley is out, so now the stories will flow better. I do hate that we missed so much follow-up, but the way the writing changed was like night and day, so I do feel like Higley just stomped all over the fallout we should have had. Without her, maybe it will be different. /fingers crossed

The show feels better this week with more characters interacting, so that makes me hopeful.

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