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Wednesday, February 17th episode discussion
Topic Started: Feb 16 2016, 07:14 PM (29,118 Views)
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Ocean
Feb 17 2016, 01:05 PM
The best part of today show; Thiara, Stayla, Chad/Andre, Joey, Belle/Claire and SD/Belle.

The worst part; Chase/Ciara and Rope.


Sidebar- I really like the name Thiara :wub2:
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Rosebud
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Chases stomach is a bottomless pit. So, he had breakfast with Andre and this is lunch now?

Ciara has a body guard? So, does she lose him when she goes into the Horton house later with Chase?
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nananana7
Feb 17 2016, 01:05 PM
She said STOP.
He continued.
That's rape.

They better not paint it as anything else.
They shouldn't, but they probably will. They'll probably say that Andre brainwashed him and that it's all the DiMeras' fault. Chase will then be redeemed...yada, yada, yada.

Just horrible storytelling.
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Enjoyed the Hope/Shawn scenes that's all i got out of this horrible episode.
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lysie


cord08
Feb 17 2016, 01:14 PM
nananana7
Feb 17 2016, 01:05 PM
She said STOP.
He continued.
That's rape.

They better not paint it as anything else.
They shouldn't, but they probably will. They'll probably say that Andre brainwashed him and that it's all the DiMeras' fault. Chase will then be redeemed...yada, yada, yada.

Just horrible storytelling.
That would be horrible storytelling. But it hasn't happened yet.
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Rosebud
Feb 17 2016, 01:04 PM
nananana7
Feb 17 2016, 01:01 PM
cord08
Feb 17 2016, 01:00 PM

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In my opinion, there ought to be outrage everywhere.
I'll be outraged if there isn't outrage.

That's was TPTB want.

I admit you may be right about that.
Ugh.
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Lovejm


I have to say I actually think they really tell this rape story . With a long tail and a drawn out reveal. The fallout may suck but if this really is Josh's idea, it may be well told. If he was left alone being a key too, I think the lack of fallout from the fall stories was Higley's power play.

Not saying I approve of what happened or that it was on the Horton couch. But we're stuck with it, I want it told well.
Edited by Lovejm, Feb 17 2016, 01:20 PM.
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I would think if the writers are going with the "chase was drugged and brainwashed" angle, they would make us privy to that information now without doubt? Seems we didnt actually see any drugging or brainwashing on screen?

I do think Andre got Chase all riled up, but he never said to go "rape" ciara, he just had some creepy conversation about channelling his energy. I hate if the writers are trying to make Chase a victim in this, because nothing excuses rape. Nothing. I dont care what Andre said to him. I dont even care if he slipped a roofie into Chase's food. This happens IRL all the time and this makes it seem as if it it can be excused and I dont like that. If Ciara said No, No means no. Chase made a choice

I also wasnt a fan it seems as if Ciara was kissing him back at one point, so I can only assume Ciara will feel like she "asked for it" or led him on. I dont have faith the writers can do those feelings justice. It wasnt her fault. Again, no means no!
Edited by elizhope, Feb 17 2016, 01:24 PM.
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Rosebud
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Rafe had a good point. How does Chad know Andre wouldn't kill Stefano? They act like Chad and everyone thought Andre was Stefano's son for ages.
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Hopefully JJ the cop will come home and put a stop before it goes any further.
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Ocean
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nananana7
Feb 17 2016, 12:41 PM
Ocean
Feb 17 2016, 12:38 PM
Steve tells Kayla that Ava wanted me to have sex with her to exchange to letting you go. She said she's completely insane.
Does Steve tell Kayla what happened? I'm confused.

Steve didn't tell her what happened but I'm sure Ava will send a sex tape to Kayla.
Edited by Ocean, Feb 17 2016, 01:26 PM.
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Ocean
Feb 17 2016, 01:21 PM
nananana7
Feb 17 2016, 12:41 PM
Does Steve tell Kayla what happened? I'm confused.
No he didn't.
Thanks, Ocean.
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Kevc1980
Feb 17 2016, 01:08 PM
You know, I'm actually okay with the rape angle. It's a soap opera and this will/should create great drama and story for months. I know it sure did when Allan raped Sami. Hopefully Josh, has thought this out and will lead us down a good path of well thought out story. There should be huge ramifications for all of this. And hopefully it will make Theo and Ciara into a stronger couple, giving them a big story.
Yes, a rape story can work for a soap. But what story over the last few months has had any kind of decent fallout? That's the problem with this team. I don't see it magically getting better with this story. They boasted of the ramifications from a legacy character like Will's death, which we are still waiting for 5 months later.

Theo & Ciara are already one of the best couples on the show & have been for years. Speculation is Theo kills Chase for what he did to Ciara. Sounds awesome!

And in the Horton living room is just wrong on so many levels...one of the bedrooms, the hotel room, anywhere but that living room. It's a slap in the face to the legacy of Tom & Alice and the show. How is Ciara going to hang her ornament on the tree every year?
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LuvingLumi
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!

nananana7
Feb 17 2016, 01:03 PM
daysyrghfan
Feb 17 2016, 01:01 PM
I hate this Chase and Ciara stuff. Its bad but at the Horton house...really

Realistically, rape can happen between people who know each other, and in what is thought to be safe surroundings.

It can happen to anyone anywhere.

Rape isn't just something that happens from a stranger in a dark alley.
I think we all get that but the symbolism of the Horton house is the problem at least to me. That house that has always meant so much to every character on that show and to the fans is used for this....it's just awful. They could have used another house....IDK, it just feels off...maybe that is why they ware doing it...so that Christmases will never be the same when Ciara looks at the couch? IDK...
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Rosebud
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Well, Andre... Legally Ciara is NOT a "woman".
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lysie


daysjahvu
Feb 17 2016, 01:23 PM
Kevc1980
Feb 17 2016, 01:08 PM
You know, I'm actually okay with the rape angle. It's a soap opera and this will/should create great drama and story for months. I know it sure did when Allan raped Sami. Hopefully Josh, has thought this out and will lead us down a good path of well thought out story. There should be huge ramifications for all of this. And hopefully it will make Theo and Ciara into a stronger couple, giving them a big story.
Yes, a rape story can work for a soap. But what story over the last few months has had any kind of decent fallout? That's the problem with this team. I don't see it magically getting better with this story. They boasted of the ramifications from a legacy character like Will's death, which we are still waiting for 5 months later.

Theo & Ciara are already one of the best couples on the show & have been for years. Speculation is Theo kills Chase for what he did to Ciara. Sounds awesome!

And in the Horton living room is just wrong on so many levels...one of the bedrooms, the hotel room, anywhere but that living room. It's a slap in the face to the legacy of Tom & Alice and the show. How is Ciara going to hang her ornament on the tree every year?
The thing is, we don't know how Josh does fallout. He may do it well. We know Higley doesn't, and we know josh didn't get a chance to. We don't actually have a frame of reference here.
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daysjahvu
Feb 17 2016, 01:23 PM
Kevc1980
Feb 17 2016, 01:08 PM
You know, I'm actually okay with the rape angle. It's a soap opera and this will/should create great drama and story for months. I know it sure did when Allan raped Sami. Hopefully Josh, has thought this out and will lead us down a good path of well thought out story. There should be huge ramifications for all of this. And hopefully it will make Theo and Ciara into a stronger couple, giving them a big story.
Yes, a rape story can work for a soap. But what story over the last few months has had any kind of decent fallout? That's the problem with this team. I don't see it magically getting better with this story. They boasted of the ramifications from a legacy character like Will's death, which we are still waiting for 5 months later.

Theo & Ciara are already one of the best couples on the show & have been for years. Speculation is Theo kills Chase for what he did to Ciara. Sounds awesome!

And in the Horton living room is just wrong on so many levels...one of the bedrooms, the hotel room, anywhere but that living room. It's a slap in the face to the legacy of Tom & Alice and the show. How is Ciara going to hang her ornament on the tree every year?
I think Dena killed the fallout from the serial killer story. I think they might be going back to that soon.

I seriously doubt Theo will kill Chase. Most speculation like that ends up untrue.

Hopefully with Dena gone, Josh & Beth will be able to write decent fallout.
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lysie
Feb 17 2016, 01:27 PM
daysjahvu
Feb 17 2016, 01:23 PM
Kevc1980
Feb 17 2016, 01:08 PM
You know, I'm actually okay with the rape angle. It's a soap opera and this will/should create great drama and story for months. I know it sure did when Allan raped Sami. Hopefully Josh, has thought this out and will lead us down a good path of well thought out story. There should be huge ramifications for all of this. And hopefully it will make Theo and Ciara into a stronger couple, giving them a big story.
Yes, a rape story can work for a soap. But what story over the last few months has had any kind of decent fallout? That's the problem with this team. I don't see it magically getting better with this story. They boasted of the ramifications from a legacy character like Will's death, which we are still waiting for 5 months later.

Theo & Ciara are already one of the best couples on the show & have been for years. Speculation is Theo kills Chase for what he did to Ciara. Sounds awesome!

And in the Horton living room is just wrong on so many levels...one of the bedrooms, the hotel room, anywhere but that living room. It's a slap in the face to the legacy of Tom & Alice and the show. How is Ciara going to hang her ornament on the tree every year?
The thing is, we don't know how Josh does fallout. He may do it well. We know Higley doesn't, and we know josh didn't get a chance to. We don't actually have a frame of reference here.
True. We do know, however, that the pacing of his stories this fall was pretty bad. Hopefully they've fixed that now.
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LuvingLumi
Feb 17 2016, 01:23 PM
nananana7
Feb 17 2016, 01:03 PM
Realistically, rape can happen between people who know each other, and in what is thought to be safe surroundings.

It can happen to anyone anywhere.

Rape isn't just something that happens from a stranger in a dark alley.
but the symbolism of the Horton house is the problem at least to me. That house that has always meant so much to every character on that show and to the fans is used for this....it's just awful. They could have used another house....IDK, it just feels off...maybe that is why they ware doing it...so that Christmases will never be the same when Ciara looks at the couch? IDK...

I get what you're saying.

I'm just saying that for teen-aged rape victims watching, they should know that it's just as much NOT their fault if -- regardless of happens in greatgrandma's house, or in an alley.
Edited by nananana7, Feb 17 2016, 01:32 PM.
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lysie


cord08
Feb 17 2016, 01:30 PM
lysie
Feb 17 2016, 01:27 PM
daysjahvu
Feb 17 2016, 01:23 PM

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The thing is, we don't know how Josh does fallout. He may do it well. We know Higley doesn't, and we know josh didn't get a chance to. We don't actually have a frame of reference here.
True. We do know, however, that the pacing of his stories this fall was pretty bad. Hopefully they've fixed that now.
We do. And I think the biggest mistake in this story (so far) was also pacing. My guess is that this was always planned, and Dena was supposed to build to it but didn't. When given the chance, they should have spent more than a week fixing that. But I also guess that the timing was intentional for how they want things to play out.
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