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Wednesday, February 17th episode discussion
Topic Started: Feb 16 2016, 07:14 PM (29,117 Views)
Mitchapalooza
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Fafokahw
Feb 17 2016, 12:18 PM
Andre drugging Chase and encouraging the rape of Ciara from what I see on Twitter is just horrible.
:o OMG!
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elizhope
Feb 17 2016, 01:18 PM
I would think if the writers are going with the "chase was drugged and brainwashed" angle, they would make us privy to that information now without doubt? Seems we didnt actually see any drugging or brainwashing on screen?

I do think Andre got Chase all riled up, but he never said to go "rape" ciara, he just had some creepy conversation about channelling his energy. I hate if the writers are trying to make Chase a victim in this, because nothing excuses rape. Nothing. I dont care what Andre said to him. I dont even care if he slipped a roofie into Chase's food. This happens IRL all the time and this makes it seem as if it it can be excused and I dont like that. If Ciara said No, No means no. Chase made a choice

I also wasnt a fan it seems as if Ciara was kissing him back at one point, so I can only assume Ciara will feel like she "asked for it" or led him on. I dont have faith the writers can do those feelings justice. It wasnt her fault. Again, no means no!
I don't think they are going to use Andre's influence to "excuse" Chase's behavior as much as they used it to create the ... motivation, I guess.

And I'm also sure that Ciara's initial response (kissing Chase back) will be a party of the story, but that doesn't mean it won't be a rape story or that it will mean Chase didn't do anything wrong. Unfortunately, even in this day of "no means no" there are too many people, including victims, who think that if a woman is kissing a guy, or seems into him, then they "started it" and it's at least partly their fault. If the show is going to do with story, and obviously it is, then do it right and address those issues. If Ciara blames herself (at least at first) that's not necessarily bad writing, it's realistic writing. If she doesn't tell anyone (which it appears she doesn't) that doesn't necessarily mean that Chase is going to "get away with it," it's how so many of these crimes occur.

This may be a horrible storyline if they don't address it properly. Jack raping Kayla could have been a horrible storyline if they hadn't handled it right. But they didn't handle it right and it became a very powerful storyline. This can too, but we won't know until it plays out.

For those who want to assume that it's not going to be handled right, that's fair enough. Personally, I'll wait and see. The set-up for this wasn't great (thanks BTS bullshit) but we have seen Chase kind of obsessed with Ciara. He tried to kiss her right after everything went down with Bo and Aiden. He's been stalky and creepy (lots of people have commented on it). There was the bullying thing that tied back to Ciara. As I said, it hasn't been great, but there was enough before Andre's involvement for me not to feel this comes completely out of the blue.

Now we'll see what they do with it.
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KweenBoda
Feb 17 2016, 12:45 PM
Ciara being raped in the Horton house. Wow.
This is truly shocking to me, could they not have used the park set or any other set....Alice and Tom's house :-(
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Lovejm
Feb 17 2016, 12:58 PM
Sounds like he pushed her onto the couch saying no.

Oh it's worse. He covers her mouth. Tells her we both want this.
:frownie:
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Thank you JCP.

I think the poor pacing might have been done partly because of the time element of making so much happen in November for anniversary and held back story progress to happen at a certain time. Hopefully with Josh back he can pace things out better.
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Peanut


This episode was so fucked up. I literally just started watching again last week, but it looks like I'm going to have to go on another break already. I will NOT watch "Rapes of Our Lives." :angry:
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esp13
Feb 17 2016, 01:34 PM
elizhope
Feb 17 2016, 01:18 PM
I would think if the writers are going with the "chase was drugged and brainwashed" angle, they would make us privy to that information now without doubt? Seems we didnt actually see any drugging or brainwashing on screen?

I do think Andre got Chase all riled up, but he never said to go "rape" ciara, he just had some creepy conversation about channelling his energy. I hate if the writers are trying to make Chase a victim in this, because nothing excuses rape. Nothing. I dont care what Andre said to him. I dont even care if he slipped a roofie into Chase's food. This happens IRL all the time and this makes it seem as if it it can be excused and I dont like that. If Ciara said No, No means no. Chase made a choice

I also wasnt a fan it seems as if Ciara was kissing him back at one point, so I can only assume Ciara will feel like she "asked for it" or led him on. I dont have faith the writers can do those feelings justice. It wasnt her fault. Again, no means no!
I don't think they are going to use Andre's influence to "excuse" Chase's behavior as much as they used it to create the ... motivation, I guess.

And I'm also sure that Ciara's initial response (kissing Chase back) will be a party of the story, but that doesn't mean it won't be a rape story or that it will mean Chase didn't do anything wrong. Unfortunately, even in this day of "no means no" there are too many people, including victims, who think that if a woman is kissing a guy, or seems into him, then they "started it" and it's at least partly their fault. If the show is going to do with story, and obviously it is, then do it right and address those issues. If Ciara blames herself (at least at first) that's not necessarily bad writing, it's realistic writing. If she doesn't tell anyone (which it appears she doesn't) that doesn't necessarily mean that Chase is going to "get away with it," it's how so many of these crimes occur.

This may be a horrible storyline if they don't address it properly. Jack raping Kayla could have been a horrible storyline if they hadn't handled it right. But they didn't handle it right and it became a very powerful storyline. This can too, but we won't know until it plays out.

For those who want to assume that it's not going to be handled right, that's fair enough. Personally, I'll wait and see. The set-up for this wasn't great (thanks BTS bullshit) but we have seen Chase kind of obsessed with Ciara. He tried to kiss her right after everything went down with Bo and Aiden. He's been stalky and creepy (lots of people have commented on it). There was the bullying thing that tied back to Ciara. As I said, it hasn't been great, but there was enough before Andre's involvement for me not to feel this comes completely out of the blue.

Now we'll see what they do with it.
I agree with all that. ANd I do think this has the potential to be an amazing story for Days. Even be a huge storyline for starting the Ciara/Theo's romance. I think my faith in Days writing team has just been bruised that they will do it correctly, so im wary until I see it play out
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nananana7
Feb 17 2016, 01:05 PM
She said STOP.
He continued.
That's rape.

They better not paint it as anything else.
He also pushed her down on the couch, and covered her mouth.
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Anyway, this works fine. Honey, you look horrific.

Mitchapalooza
Feb 17 2016, 01:38 PM
KweenBoda
Feb 17 2016, 12:45 PM
Ciara being raped in the Horton house. Wow.
This is truly shocking to me, could they not have used the park set or any other set....Alice and Tom's house :-(
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lysie
Feb 17 2016, 01:27 PM
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Feb 17 2016, 01:23 PM
Kevc1980
Feb 17 2016, 01:08 PM
You know, I'm actually okay with the rape angle. It's a soap opera and this will/should create great drama and story for months. I know it sure did when Allan raped Sami. Hopefully Josh, has thought this out and will lead us down a good path of well thought out story. There should be huge ramifications for all of this. And hopefully it will make Theo and Ciara into a stronger couple, giving them a big story.
Yes, a rape story can work for a soap. But what story over the last few months has had any kind of decent fallout? That's the problem with this team. I don't see it magically getting better with this story. They boasted of the ramifications from a legacy character like Will's death, which we are still waiting for 5 months later.

Theo & Ciara are already one of the best couples on the show & have been for years. Speculation is Theo kills Chase for what he did to Ciara. Sounds awesome!

And in the Horton living room is just wrong on so many levels...one of the bedrooms, the hotel room, anywhere but that living room. It's a slap in the face to the legacy of Tom & Alice and the show. How is Ciara going to hang her ornament on the tree every year?
The thing is, we don't know how Josh does fallout. He may do it well. We know Higley doesn't, and we know josh didn't get a chance to. We don't actually have a frame of reference here.
Well we know he does fallout because of his writing on Y&R and OLTL...his stories all had huge fallout and were drawn out.
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Let me preface this statement by saying I despise everything about Andre. He's an absolute cartoon and I prefer realistic soap with characters who might actually exist. Let me also preface this statement by saying I generally like Hope and enjoyed bouncer Rafe. Let me also preface by saying both Andre and Stefano are horrible human beings.......

All that said..... I am rooting for Andre over the supposed "good guys" and I probably shouldn't be. I don't know if this is some weird attempt to make Andre some sort of antihero or what but if I'm supposed to look at this storyline and be loyal to Hope till the end.... it's not really working for me? I don't know if DAYS understands the concept of rooting for the underdog (I know for sure Corday doesn't) or what but... I am confused about what I am supposed to be feeling here.

Unrelated: Joey really reminded me of Massey's Will when he was going off on Steve when he first came home.
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Thank you JCP.

Peanut
Feb 17 2016, 01:40 PM
This episode was so fucked up. I literally just started watching again last week, but it looks like I'm going to have to go on another break already. I will NOT watch "Rapes of Our Lives." :angry:
You wouldn't have wanted to watch during the 70's and 80's then.

Raped:

Marlena
Julie
Kimberly
Kayla
Jennifer-1990"s
Sami-Alan and then E.J.
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Mitchapalooza
Feb 17 2016, 01:40 PM
Lovejm
Feb 17 2016, 12:58 PM
Sounds like he pushed her onto the couch saying no.

Oh it's worse. He covers her mouth. Tells her we both want this.
:frownie:
Sick sl now they'll be the next Sami and Ej...
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elizhope
Feb 17 2016, 01:41 PM
esp13
Feb 17 2016, 01:34 PM
elizhope
Feb 17 2016, 01:18 PM
I would think if the writers are going with the "chase was drugged and brainwashed" angle, they would make us privy to that information now without doubt? Seems we didnt actually see any drugging or brainwashing on screen?

I do think Andre got Chase all riled up, but he never said to go "rape" ciara, he just had some creepy conversation about channelling his energy. I hate if the writers are trying to make Chase a victim in this, because nothing excuses rape. Nothing. I dont care what Andre said to him. I dont even care if he slipped a roofie into Chase's food. This happens IRL all the time and this makes it seem as if it it can be excused and I dont like that. If Ciara said No, No means no. Chase made a choice

I also wasnt a fan it seems as if Ciara was kissing him back at one point, so I can only assume Ciara will feel like she "asked for it" or led him on. I dont have faith the writers can do those feelings justice. It wasnt her fault. Again, no means no!
I don't think they are going to use Andre's influence to "excuse" Chase's behavior as much as they used it to create the ... motivation, I guess.

And I'm also sure that Ciara's initial response (kissing Chase back) will be a party of the story, but that doesn't mean it won't be a rape story or that it will mean Chase didn't do anything wrong. Unfortunately, even in this day of "no means no" there are too many people, including victims, who think that if a woman is kissing a guy, or seems into him, then they "started it" and it's at least partly their fault. If the show is going to do with story, and obviously it is, then do it right and address those issues. If Ciara blames herself (at least at first) that's not necessarily bad writing, it's realistic writing. If she doesn't tell anyone (which it appears she doesn't) that doesn't necessarily mean that Chase is going to "get away with it," it's how so many of these crimes occur.

This may be a horrible storyline if they don't address it properly. Jack raping Kayla could have been a horrible storyline if they hadn't handled it right. But they didn't handle it right and it became a very powerful storyline. This can too, but we won't know until it plays out.

For those who want to assume that it's not going to be handled right, that's fair enough. Personally, I'll wait and see. The set-up for this wasn't great (thanks BTS bullshit) but we have seen Chase kind of obsessed with Ciara. He tried to kiss her right after everything went down with Bo and Aiden. He's been stalky and creepy (lots of people have commented on it). There was the bullying thing that tied back to Ciara. As I said, it hasn't been great, but there was enough before Andre's involvement for me not to feel this comes completely out of the blue.

Now we'll see what they do with it.
I agree with all that. ANd I do think this has the potential to be an amazing story for Days. Even be a huge storyline for starting the Ciara/Theo's romance. I think my faith in Days writing team has just been bruised that they will do it correctly, so im wary until I see it play out
Oh, I absolutely agree on that part. It's hard to have faith, although I have more faith in Josh (who I firmly believe is behind this story) than Dena (who clearly didn't follow up on the set-up Josh started). I know people (not you necessarily) think that Andre's role is provide Chase an "out" but I really don't think it is. First off, I'm not sure how it would - he wasn't drugged, or subjected to brainwashing, he was simply influenced. Second, I really think it was just a way for Josh to speed up the set-up which was supposed to be happening for the last three months.

And, ironically, one of the reasons I have a little faith that this might be handled better is the Steve and Kayla stuff. I know Steve hasn't told the whole truth (and that's going to blow up his face) but he's been a lot more honest with Kayla than ever thought he would be. And his reactions - both immediately after he was forced to have sex with Ava and since he's been home - have been far more layered than I expected. Even though I fully believe what happened in that hotel room was rape, I never expected the show to treat it that way (for numerous reasons). But (stupid promo voiceovers aside) they are treating it as consensual or something "he wanted" either. I don't know that I can explain it exactly, but they've handled the aftermath of that quite differently than I feared they would and I guess that gives me hope that now that Josh is back in charge, this Ciara story will be handled better as well.
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bygnedys
Feb 17 2016, 01:49 PM
Peanut
Feb 17 2016, 01:40 PM
This episode was so fucked up. I literally just started watching again last week, but it looks like I'm going to have to go on another break already. I will NOT watch "Rapes of Our Lives." :angry:
You wouldn't have wanted to watch during the 70's and 80's then.

Raped:

Marlena
Julie
Kimberly
Kayla
Jennifer-1990"s
Sami-Alan and then E.J.
Maggie too.
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Bellarke <3

This storyline involves heavy material that I don't really see VJ handling it well. I just can't see the fallout being anywhere close to what viewers got after Marty's rape on OLTL. SH killed that.
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Thank you JCP.

Lousy acting on the rape.
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JoeBucs32
Feb 16 2016, 11:22 PM
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Feb 16 2016, 07:14 PM
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PS....thanks JASON for the picture!


Let's see what's supposed to happen today:

Chad confronts Andre, wondering if he killed Stefano.
Ava returns to Salem, while Steve struggles to keep the truth from Kayla.
Claire learns a shocking secret about Belle.


DISCUSS!
Oh, how I miss so many of the actors/characters in that photo. Those were the DAYS.....
Lane Davies, I can't remember who he played on Days, but I loved him as Mason Capwell on Santa Barbara. He was the best.
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lysie
Feb 17 2016, 01:32 PM
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Feb 17 2016, 01:30 PM
lysie
Feb 17 2016, 01:27 PM

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True. We do know, however, that the pacing of his stories this fall was pretty bad. Hopefully they've fixed that now.
We do. And I think the biggest mistake in this story (so far) was also pacing. My guess is that this was always planned, and Dena was supposed to build to it but didn't. When given the chance, they should have spent more than a week fixing that. But I also guess that the timing was intentional for how they want things to play out.
And it's not like Chase has been the portrait of perfection up until now, a fully fleshed out "good" character. He's a recently SORASed teenager who has already shown little regard for other people in relation to his victim. Too little lead up? Yes, absolutely... We should have seen Chase shown violent tendencies. But, very few people get a "Hey, this guy may force himself on you" warning before they are violated in real life. And it happens too often with someone they know, love and trusted before the rape. Which often happens in an environment that is supposed to be safe. And as tends to be forgotten, rape is about power, not sex. And we have seen Chase be controlling with Ciara recently (to the point where he treated Theo like shit to "get" her). Is it a clear line from that to forcing himself on her? Thankfully, in most cases, no. But this is a soap.

What will sink or save this story is what follows. Not tomorrow or Friday, but in weeks to come, in character portrayal. How they portray it, which, let's be fair, we can't possibly know yet because it hasn't happened. Most people here raged against the "Ben is the killer" angle. Most of us ate our words, didn't we? There is still a chance that'll happen here.

I hope, and actually think, we'll see Chase leaving soonish. And honestly, that's a good thing in this. He's unnecessary, a terribly constructed character and a waste of airtime. As with Ben, they took someone who should be written out anyway, and might use them to tell a story without being left with a legacy character that almost has to be redeemed.

My biggest issue with it is acting wise, as of right now. I don't know if VJ will be able to step up. I hope so.
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I don't understand the disparity in how different character's wounds heal on this show. Brady's open heart surgery has no scar but Andre's face will never be without that wound. It will surely become a permanent scar.
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