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Vivian Jovanni on the rape storyline; mini-interview on Digest website
Topic Started: Feb 17 2016, 05:19 PM (8,075 Views)
Laur


I thought that VJ did a great job in those scenes today. Oddly enough, she really does seem best with emotional and difficult material as opposed to scenes with small talk. I hope that they utilize the storyline to share an important story in a meaningful way, rather than a way that's glossed over. Teen and early twenties rape often does happen in this manner with someone the person knows well.
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samskara2012
Feb 17 2016, 06:42 PM
nananana7
Feb 17 2016, 06:24 PM
samskara2012
Feb 17 2016, 06:22 PM
And that DOOL is doing a REAL rape story, is hoping those who believe that Ava raped Steve, finally shut up.
Sex by coercion is rape. Period.
Rape is rape.
And how many times has Steve used force or choked Ava? Are you going to excuse Steve's behaviour, because I can't. NO one has called that out as abusive, and that's what Steve has been toward Ava since she came back to town. There is never any excuse for a man to lay his hands on a woman like Steve has. As a long-standing fan of Steve's, I find this deplorable and as a rape survivor, I'm appalled that is being classed as rape, because clearly Steve had the advantage over Ava. And I'll say this, where were Steve's supposed "spy" skills in calling Roman, John Abe, Rafe or even Hope to help him find Kayla BEFORE leaving Salem? Sorry, but he could have done more BEFORE getting on that plane. Viewing the episode time and time again, how is it rape when he removed his own clothes? Sorry, not buying it.

As for the coercion, that belongs solely to the part of the statute denoting Male on Female rape. It isn't even in the Female on Male statute because the law distinguishes between the size discrepancy between men and women. The only part of the statute that concerns male rape is if the female bound or confined the male victim.
Hi. We're talking about Ciara here. And you might not want to have this discussion with a thread full of lawyers. Either way, the conversation isn't going to happen in this thread.
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Everything VJ is saying and retweeting on Twitter combined with this blurb from the magazine, plus the link to RAINN is encouraging. I think Days is really aware of how big this opportunity to tell the story is. I think it was shot in such a great way. VJ's eyes showed terror and this is the type of material where she has shown the most promise. I'm being cautiously optimistic.

That's both good news and terrifying because it's pretty obvious that Days knows how important this story is. If they blow this then the show may truly be hopeless. I'm hoping for the best.
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laurondo
Feb 17 2016, 07:54 PM
Hugo
Feb 17 2016, 06:09 PM
I'm tired of all the traumatic events, that's not what I want to see on soaps. What I want is romance and escapism.
I don't know what Griffith has in store for the next 6 months but it's more of the same, I hope he gets fired.
Traumatic events are kinda what soaps are known for, though.

That and romance. A nice combination of both would be good.
This is true. Soaps are more about social issues than romance to me, but a great mix of that would be perfect. No reason for a show to need to be one or the other.
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lysie


Well apparently that wasn't clear enough.
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Well that was more work than I prefer to do. For right now, this thread stays about Ciara. And you always have the option to ignore the bait. ;)
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Why?! I was all for the idea of Chase being dark and troubled but not like this. They took an innocent crush up until, like, yesterday . . . and just . . . ugh.
Edited by LastLicks, Feb 17 2016, 09:15 PM.
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DiMera87
Feb 17 2016, 08:41 PM
laurondo
Feb 17 2016, 07:54 PM
Hugo
Feb 17 2016, 06:09 PM
I'm tired of all the traumatic events, that's not what I want to see on soaps. What I want is romance and escapism.
I don't know what Griffith has in store for the next 6 months but it's more of the same, I hope he gets fired.
Traumatic events are kinda what soaps are known for, though.

That and romance. A nice combination of both would be good.
This is true. Soaps are more about social issues than romance to me, but a great mix of that would be perfect. No reason for a show to need to be one or the other.
Agree. Since I'm not a longtime viewer, I'm curious: Was Days ever really known for their social issues stories? I know they did a SiDS story way back, but I'm not familiar with any other of their other social issue stories. I've always heard that Days was more well-known for their OTT romance, etc.

On the other hand, I know that AMC and OLTL were more lauded for their social issues stories. AMC had an abortion storyline and Vietnam War story in the '70s. OLTL had a prostitution story way back with Judith Light and then Marty's rape and the gay teen/AIDS quilt story in the early '90s.

I'm glad that Days seems to be taking Ciara's story seriously. I will say, however, that I think rape is overused on soaps, and if they want to tackle a social issue, there are many other topics that soaps have hardly touched. One of the things that made social issues on soaps successful in the past is that they tackled issues that weren't really being highlighted on TV at the time. It'd be nice if soaps could get back to that without being preachy/after school special about it.
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One thing that I don't get is the notion that this plot (teen rape) has been overused on Days. There have been rapes on the show, but the last story that was somewhat similar to this happened in 1994, almost 22 years ago. This is prevalent issue in real life, and I don't mind the show trying to touch the issue with a story, especially since it has been years since they've done so.

Adding that I forgot about Jan's rape. I still don't think it has been overused.
Edited by Restless84, Feb 17 2016, 09:24 PM.
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Feb 17 2016, 09:23 PM
One thing that I don't get is the notion that this plot (teen rape) has been overused on Days. There have been rapes on the show, but the last story that was somewhat similar to this happened in 1994, almost 22 years ago. This is prevalent issue in real life, and I don't mind the show trying to touch the issue with a story, especially since it has been years since they've done so.

Adding that I forgot about Jan's rape. I still don't think it has been overused.
My point is that rape is overused on soaps in general, not specifically just Days. However, the fact that people can make a long list of women and men who have been raped on Days over the years might tell a different story....
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cord08
Feb 17 2016, 09:29 PM
Restless84
Feb 17 2016, 09:23 PM
One thing that I don't get is the notion that this plot (teen rape) has been overused on Days. There have been rapes on the show, but the last story that was somewhat similar to this happened in 1994, almost 22 years ago. This is prevalent issue in real life, and I don't mind the show trying to touch the issue with a story, especially since it has been years since they've done so.

Adding that I forgot about Jan's rape. I still don't think it has been overused.
My point is that rape is overused on soaps in general, not specifically just Days. However, the fact that people can make a long list of women and men who have been raped on Days over the years might tell a different story....
Okay, but my point was about teen rape.
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This rape between Chase and Ciara is the most sickest thing I have ever seen in Daytime history! :shame:
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#SorryNotSorry

Restless84
Feb 17 2016, 09:23 PM
One thing that I don't get is the notion that this plot (teen rape) has been overused on Days. There have been rapes on the show, but the last story that was somewhat similar to this happened in 1994, almost 22 years ago. This is prevalent issue in real life, and I don't mind the show trying to touch the issue with a story, especially since it has been years since they've done so.

Adding that I forgot about Jan's rape. I still don't think it has been overused.
I do agree. There's also Stephanie's rape, though... she was in college, but she was really only a few years older.
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The age of Ciara makes the assault even more objectionable although who knows what mindset the writers are going to try and give Chase and/or Ciara. Please don't everyone jump down my throat for saying this but stories can be written where the couple ends up together in a "made for each other" way - Look at Ejami. EJ and Sami hardly had what you would call totally honorable beginnings but they had, and still have, a large fan base. Luke and Laura from General Hospital are another couple who started out hating each other with an assault story written into the romance. As much as Days fans may hate it and not want to admit it, Luke and Laura were an even bigger couple than Steve and Kayla and their wedding was the highest rated soap opera episode. Sometimes I think writers give a rape story a slant so that it has a way out to turn "no turned out to be yes" if they couple becomes popular or the pairing takes off. Ciara and Chase, however, are far too young for that.
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Hugo
Feb 17 2016, 06:17 PM
The Room Stops
Feb 17 2016, 06:13 PM
Hugo
Feb 17 2016, 06:09 PM
I'm tired of all the traumatic events, that's not what I want to see on soaps. What I want is romance and escapism.
I don't know what Griffith has in store for the next 6 months but it's more of the same, I hope he gets fired.
I love romance too, it's my favorite, but I would still rather have dark-fall-of-2015-style Griffith than anything from the last... 9 years. Whenever Corday de-fanged Sheffer and took away his vets.

MarDar wasn't as harmful, but they were boring as hell. Tomsell were terrible from the day they took effect, and well, after Sheffer came Higley, so...
I thought JER (2003-2006), MarDar (2011-2012) and TomSell (2012-2015) were all better than what we have now. That's pretty much all I've seen of the show. I miss the time when Salem was a fun place for me, now it's just dreadful.
JER 2.0 and Sheffer were good...almost everything after and some stuff between was easily the worst material this show has seen (including this past mid-December to early-February).
Edited by Mitchapalooza, Feb 17 2016, 10:14 PM.
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The rape scene was so weird. I laughed - not because of the content. How it was edited? And Chase saying "We love each other?" Like what? And Andre is somehow responsible? What is this shit? I can't even.
Edited by King, Feb 17 2016, 10:32 PM.
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ivy


I'm confused. Andre told him to rape Ciara? Wtf?
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Feb 17 2016, 09:54 PM
The age of Ciara makes the assault even more objectionable although who knows what mindset the writers are going to try and give Chase and/or Ciara. Please don't everyone jump down my throat for saying this but stories can be written where the couple ends up together in a "made for each other" way - Look at Ejami. EJ and Sami hardly had what you would call totally honorable beginnings but they had, and still have, a large fan base. Luke and Laura from General Hospital are another couple who started out hating each other with an assault story written into the romance. As much as Days fans may hate it and not want to admit it, Luke and Laura were an even bigger couple than Steve and Kayla and their wedding was the highest rated soap opera episode. Sometimes I think writers give a rape story a slant so that it has a way out to turn "no turned out to be yes" if they couple becomes popular or the pairing takes off. Ciara and Chase, however, are far too young for that.
I honestly do not know how L&L became a legitimate couple after the rape, but I know it made TG uncomfortable and they revisited it a number of times later on GH, trying to at least show Luke feeling lingering guilt after many, many years. After Eden's rape on Santa Barbara, they had an episode where they threw tons of shade at GH and the L&L story (see from ~4:05):




L&L set a very bad precedent, especially because in more recent years I've heard of the phenomenon where young (or sometimes not-so-young) women express that they want to be "raped" by someone with whom they are infatuated, often a celebrity. I have no idea where this idea comes from, but it is very, very disturbing.

I hope Days does better with this story, that Chase gets the retribution he deserves and that this incident is not glossed over.
(I also wish Bo were around, because PR would have been awesome as they devastated dad who couldn't protect his daughter. :frownie: )


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ivy
Feb 17 2016, 10:36 PM
I'm confused. Andre told him to rape Ciara? Wtf?
That did not happen.
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frivolity
Feb 17 2016, 10:37 PM
SHollow1
Feb 17 2016, 09:54 PM
The age of Ciara makes the assault even more objectionable although who knows what mindset the writers are going to try and give Chase and/or Ciara. Please don't everyone jump down my throat for saying this but stories can be written where the couple ends up together in a "made for each other" way - Look at Ejami. EJ and Sami hardly had what you would call totally honorable beginnings but they had, and still have, a large fan base. Luke and Laura from General Hospital are another couple who started out hating each other with an assault story written into the romance. As much as Days fans may hate it and not want to admit it, Luke and Laura were an even bigger couple than Steve and Kayla and their wedding was the highest rated soap opera episode. Sometimes I think writers give a rape story a slant so that it has a way out to turn "no turned out to be yes" if they couple becomes popular or the pairing takes off. Ciara and Chase, however, are far too young for that.

(I also wish Bo were around, because PR would have been awesome as they devastated dad who couldn't protect his daughter. :frownie: )


So much this.
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