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Vivian Jovanni on the rape storyline; mini-interview on Digest website
Topic Started: Feb 17 2016, 05:19 PM (8,074 Views)
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Feb 17 2016, 09:23 PM
One thing that I don't get is the notion that this plot (teen rape) has been overused on Days. There have been rapes on the show, but the last story that was somewhat similar to this happened in 1994, almost 22 years ago. This is prevalent issue in real life, and I don't mind the show trying to touch the issue with a story, especially since it has been years since they've done so.

Adding that I forgot about Jan's rape. I still don't think it has been overused.
Stephanie's rape wasn't that long ago 2008 maybe.

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If we hadn't of had this bang on the heels of Steve and Ava I think it would have seemed less overwhelming.
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Feb 17 2016, 10:43 PM
Restless84
Feb 17 2016, 09:23 PM
One thing that I don't get is the notion that this plot (teen rape) has been overused on Days. There have been rapes on the show, but the last story that was somewhat similar to this happened in 1994, almost 22 years ago. This is prevalent issue in real life, and I don't mind the show trying to touch the issue with a story, especially since it has been years since they've done so.

Adding that I forgot about Jan's rape. I still don't think it has been overused.
Stephanie's rape wasn't that long ago 2008 maybe.

I know. Granolagirl pointed that out. Still that was 8 years ago. From what I remember of it, that story was handled pretty well too.
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Feb 17 2016, 10:36 PM
I'm confused. Andre told him to rape Ciara? Wtf?
I am assuming Chase coming hot off his convo with Andre about taking control and how women like a man who knows what he wants somehow figured in?
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Feb 17 2016, 09:54 PM
The age of Ciara makes the assault even more objectionable although who knows what mindset the writers are going to try and give Chase and/or Ciara. Please don't everyone jump down my throat for saying this but stories can be written where the couple ends up together in a "made for each other" way - Look at Ejami. EJ and Sami hardly had what you would call totally honorable beginnings but they had, and still have, a large fan base. Luke and Laura from General Hospital are another couple who started out hating each other with an assault story written into the romance. As much as Days fans may hate it and not want to admit it, Luke and Laura were an even bigger couple than Steve and Kayla and their wedding was the highest rated soap opera episode. Sometimes I think writers give a rape story a slant so that it has a way out to turn "no turned out to be yes" if they couple becomes popular or the pairing takes off. Ciara and Chase, however, are far too young for that.


Don't know at all about Luke and Laura but with EJ and Sami, when anyone looks at the whole situation, its really about one person made for another person and understanding them, EJAMI was a twisted love story, yet, people fell in love with them because of being alike. I think that's why there was a large fanbase for them. And many fell in love with the chemistry of them fighting each other. I don't believe Ciara is going to fall in love with Chase. And Days won't go there for them. Have to say though, this Chase and Ciara, is soo gross because they are step siblings. And what Chase did, is pure wrong!
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Feb 17 2016, 10:37 PM
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Feb 17 2016, 09:54 PM
The age of Ciara makes the assault even more objectionable although who knows what mindset the writers are going to try and give Chase and/or Ciara. Please don't everyone jump down my throat for saying this but stories can be written where the couple ends up together in a "made for each other" way - Look at Ejami. EJ and Sami hardly had what you would call totally honorable beginnings but they had, and still have, a large fan base. Luke and Laura from General Hospital are another couple who started out hating each other with an assault story written into the romance. As much as Days fans may hate it and not want to admit it, Luke and Laura were an even bigger couple than Steve and Kayla and their wedding was the highest rated soap opera episode. Sometimes I think writers give a rape story a slant so that it has a way out to turn "no turned out to be yes" if they couple becomes popular or the pairing takes off. Ciara and Chase, however, are far too young for that.
I honestly do not know how L&L became a legitimate couple after the rape, but I know it made TG uncomfortable and they revisited it a number of times later on GH, trying to at least show Luke feeling lingering guilt after many, many years. After Eden's rape on Santa Barbara, they had an episode where they threw tons of shade at GH and the L&L story (see from ~4:05):




L&L set a very bad precedent, especially because in more recent years I've heard of the phenomenon where young (or sometimes not-so-young) women express that they want to be "raped" by someone with whom they are infatuated, often a celebrity. I have no idea where this idea comes from, but it is very, very disturbing.

I hope Days does better with this story, that Chase gets the retribution he deserves and that this incident is not glossed over.
(I also wish Bo were around, because PR would have been awesome as they devastated dad who couldn't protect his daughter. :frownie: )


I have only seen part of Eden's rape story (good quality clips are hard to find on YT), but damn! That was some serious, serious SHADE. Good for Santa Barbara!

One of the problems I've seen and/or heard about some of most well known rape stories is that even if they start out well-written, they eventually go off the rails at some point. In the case of Santa Barbara, wasn't it revealed that her rapist was actually her gynecologist? The guy who performed her rape exam? I mean, that is just....holy shit! bad. Marty's rape also went off the rails a bit with Todd trying to rape Marty again and then stalking/trying to rape one of the lawyers on the case. Bianca's rape turned into a pregnancy story, that turned into a baby switch, and was just never ending.

So, as much as I want Days to play out all the beats, someone seriously needs to keep Josh in check here. Hopefully Beth is able to do that.

EDIT: Forgot to add about setting a bad precedent: yeah, I remember Roger Howarth being disturbed by how some fans would yell, "Rape me, Todd!" at fan events and such. He seemed to take the gravity of his character's actions, particularly in this case, very seriously, and I've always respected him for that.
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Feb 17 2016, 11:13 PM
I have only seen part of Eden's rape story (good quality clips are hard to find on YT), but damn! That was some serious, serious SHADE. Good for Santa Barbara!

One of the problems I've seen and/or heard about some of most well known rape stories is that even if they start out well-written, they eventually go off the rails at some point. In the case of Santa Barbara, wasn't it revealed that her rapist was actually her gynecologist? The guy who performed her rape exam? I mean, that is just....holy shit! bad. Marty's rape also went off the rails a bit with Todd trying to rape Marty again and then stalking/trying to rape one of the lawyers on the case. Bianca's rape turned into a pregnancy story, that turned into a baby switch, and was just never ending.

So, as much as I want Days to play out all the beats, someone seriously needs to keep Josh in check here. Hopefully Beth is able to do that.

Todd attempted to rape Marty repeatedly after the rape. He stalked and tried to rape his defense attorney. He tried to rape (crazy, IMO) Luna. That's where he got his scar. He killed Marty's boyfriend, Suede. I don't think that was bad writing, though. I think trying to redeem him was bad writing.

Bianca's rape intertwined with Erica's long-ago rape was insane but in a really entertaining way UNTIL the long, long, baby dies/baby switch/Erica becomes a showgirl part (off the dayuuum rails). The initial part? They turned the rape into the whole town rallying around Bianca, Bianca/Kendall love story, Erica a dayum entertaining mess, etc.

I really hope this rape story doesn't turn out as long-winded as those rape stories. If their's a pregnancy, there better be an abortion. I also really wish they wouldn't do the pregnancy beat but I could see Josh doing it for the abortion on DAYS beat.
Edited by AngelaP, Feb 17 2016, 11:35 PM.
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Feb 17 2016, 11:34 PM
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Feb 17 2016, 11:13 PM
I have only seen part of Eden's rape story (good quality clips are hard to find on YT), but damn! That was some serious, serious SHADE. Good for Santa Barbara!

One of the problems I've seen and/or heard about some of most well known rape stories is that even if they start out well-written, they eventually go off the rails at some point. In the case of Santa Barbara, wasn't it revealed that her rapist was actually her gynecologist? The guy who performed her rape exam? I mean, that is just....holy shit! bad. Marty's rape also went off the rails a bit with Todd trying to rape Marty again and then stalking/trying to rape one of the lawyers on the case. Bianca's rape turned into a pregnancy story, that turned into a baby switch, and was just never ending.

So, as much as I want Days to play out all the beats, someone seriously needs to keep Josh in check here. Hopefully Beth is able to do that.

Todd attempted to rape Marty repeatedly after the rape. He stalked and tried to rape his defense attorney. He tried to rape (crazy, IMO) Luna. That's where he got his scar. He killed Marty's boyfriend, Suede. I don't think that was bad writing, though. I think trying to redeem him was bad writing.

Bianca's rape intertwined with Erica's long-ago rape was insane but in a really entertaining way UNTIL the long, long, baby dies/baby switch/Erica becomes a showgirl part (off the dayuuum rails). The initial part? They turned the rape into the whole town rallying around Bianca, Bianca/Kendall love story, Erica a dayum entertaining mess, etc.

I really hope this rape story doesn't turn out as long-winded as those rape stories. If their's a pregnancy, there better be an abortion. I also really wish they wouldn't do the pregnancy beat but I could see Josh doing it for the abortion on DAYS beat.
Exactly. Given the pace of Days this fall, I don't think it's going to play out over years like some of the other stories. I mean, Days isn't guaranteed to be on the air that long! It's all about hitting the beats, and not letting one story swallow the show.

God, I'd forgotten about the Erica showgirl part. :drunk: I really, really pray that this story doesn't become all about Hope because Bianca's rape did kind of become about Erica at times, and it was just exhausting. I mean, the characters called Erica out on making it about her at times, but the writers just could not stop going to that well.
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Feb 17 2016, 10:46 PM
If we hadn't of had this bang on the heels of Steve and Ava I think it would have seemed less overwhelming.
I guess I will just never be interested in a rape story.
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The whole trend of trying to redeem rapist characters needs to just stop. I think Jack is the only character in soaps who had a decent redemption and that is because they took the TIME to do it. It was a process of 3 years and even beyond those 3 years it was always still a piece of his character. And even still some of Kaylas actions in the redemption were contrived. Every other rapist a show has tried to redeem was so forced. I did like Todd Manning eventually but it was all messy and annoying for a long time.
Edited by Days22, Feb 18 2016, 12:42 AM.
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Feb 17 2016, 10:54 PM
ivy
Feb 17 2016, 10:36 PM
I'm confused. Andre told him to rape Ciara? Wtf?
I am assuming Chase coming hot off his convo with Andre about taking control and how women like a man who knows what he wants somehow figured in?
And the part about how he needs to show Ciara that he'll fight for her & that he'll do anything to be with her.

The thing is, had any other adult character told any other teen character many of the exact sentences Andre told Chase, they would've been good advice. But they were coming from Andre while Andre was working Chase's feelings for Ciara in an attempt to convince him to stay in Salem. Andre didn't intend for Chase to take what he said & go rape Ciara, but there's little doubt in my mind that Chase wouldn't have even thought about any of this had Andre not put those "relationship advice" words in his fragile & lost mind. (Does that mean that Chase isn't responsible for his own actions? Of course not.)
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crookedhalo
Feb 18 2016, 12:14 AM
concerned
Feb 17 2016, 10:46 PM
If we hadn't of had this bang on the heels of Steve and Ava I think it would have seemed less overwhelming.
I guess I will just never be interested in a rape story.


I think the verdict is out if Days explained that Steve was raped.
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Feb 17 2016, 09:13 PM
Since I'm not a longtime viewer, I'm curious: Was Days ever really known for their social issues stories? I know they did a SiDS story way back, but I'm not familiar with any other of their other social issue stories. I've always heard that Days was more well-known for their OTT romance, etc.
They did Sami's bulimia in 1993 and AS did a PSA at the end of one episode.

Regarding this storyline, I'm just glad they made it clear it was rape. I'm tired of the questionable sexual encounters that leave the fans divided on whether it was or wasn't rape. Not just Steve/Ava but B&B had 2 in the last few months.
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Feb 17 2016, 11:13 PM
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Feb 17 2016, 10:37 PM
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Feb 17 2016, 09:54 PM
The age of Ciara makes the assault even more objectionable although who knows what mindset the writers are going to try and give Chase and/or Ciara. Please don't everyone jump down my throat for saying this but stories can be written where the couple ends up together in a "made for each other" way - Look at Ejami. EJ and Sami hardly had what you would call totally honorable beginnings but they had, and still have, a large fan base. Luke and Laura from General Hospital are another couple who started out hating each other with an assault story written into the romance. As much as Days fans may hate it and not want to admit it, Luke and Laura were an even bigger couple than Steve and Kayla and their wedding was the highest rated soap opera episode. Sometimes I think writers give a rape story a slant so that it has a way out to turn "no turned out to be yes" if they couple becomes popular or the pairing takes off. Ciara and Chase, however, are far too young for that.
I honestly do not know how L&L became a legitimate couple after the rape, but I know it made TG uncomfortable and they revisited it a number of times later on GH, trying to at least show Luke feeling lingering guilt after many, many years. After Eden's rape on Santa Barbara, they had an episode where they threw tons of shade at GH and the L&L story (see from ~4:05):




L&L set a very bad precedent, especially because in more recent years I've heard of the phenomenon where young (or sometimes not-so-young) women express that they want to be "raped" by someone with whom they are infatuated, often a celebrity. I have no idea where this idea comes from, but it is very, very disturbing.

I hope Days does better with this story, that Chase gets the retribution he deserves and that this incident is not glossed over.
(I also wish Bo were around, because PR would have been awesome as they devastated dad who couldn't protect his daughter. :frownie: )


I have only seen part of Eden's rape story (good quality clips are hard to find on YT), but damn! That was some serious, serious SHADE. Good for Santa Barbara!

One of the problems I've seen and/or heard about some of most well known rape stories is that even if they start out well-written, they eventually go off the rails at some point. In the case of Santa Barbara, wasn't it revealed that her rapist was actually her gynecologist? The guy who performed her rape exam? I mean, that is just....holy shit! bad. Marty's rape also went off the rails a bit with Todd trying to rape Marty again and then stalking/trying to rape one of the lawyers on the case. Bianca's rape turned into a pregnancy story, that turned into a baby switch, and was just never ending.

So, as much as I want Days to play out all the beats, someone seriously needs to keep Josh in check here. Hopefully Beth is able to do that.

EDIT: Forgot to add about setting a bad precedent: yeah, I remember Roger Howarth being disturbed by how some fans would yell, "Rape me, Todd!" at fan events and such. He seemed to take the gravity of his character's actions, particularly in this case, very seriously, and I've always respected him for that.
Eden's rape on Santa Barbara happened in 1988. That's also the year when Josh Griffith started writing for Santa Barbara as a breakdown/script writer. I'm not sure about the exact dates but it is possible that he was writing for the show at the time the story and aftermath played out.
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Feb 17 2016, 05:19 PM
Vivian Jovanni on the rape storyline
Interview on Digest website

Click to read the interview online:
http://www.soapoperadigest.com/content/story-behind-ciara%E2%80%99s-shocking-days-rape


They end the article with this:
For more information on rape and sexual assault, visit
http://www.rainn.org


Edit to add:
FYI:
Rainn.org
RAINN (Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network) is the nation's largest anti-sexual violence organization. RAINN created and operates the National Sexual Assault Hotline (800.656.HOPE and online.rainn.org) in partnership with more than 1,100 local sexual assault service providers across the country and operates the DoD Safe Helpline for the Department of Defense. In 2015, the Online Hotline expanded to offer services in Spanish at rainn.org/es. RAINN also carries out programs to prevent sexual violence, help victims and ensure that rapists are brought to justice.
Thanks for posting nanana and in particular thanks for the Rainn reference. This storyline has real trigger potential for many viewers. I so hope Days handle the aftermath with a semblance of sensitivity, reasearch and at least attempted understanding of what they are trying to deal with.
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I get the people saying it's too soon to judge this story but at the same time, I think there are several reasons to think it's already off to a bad start.

I don't think VJ is the right actress for this, she's weak and a lot of fans have been complaining about her. The writers should have been careful not to portray Chase as a likable misunderstood teenager and should have insisted more on his dark side over the past few weeks. Andre's involvement in the story is also a bad idea, it feels like the goal is to shift the blame (or at least some of it) on him when Chase is the guilty one. And the writers also added the fact that Ciara has some feelings for Chase, insinuating that she wanted it.

If you do a rape story, you should make sure there won't be a lot of fans who will feel bad for the rapist or will easily find excuses to his behavior and I don't think the writers have done that well so far. There's also the fact that some will perceive this story as throwing a character they like under the bus to prop a character they don't like and that usually backfires. I could imagine this story having a negative impact on the victims out there if they feel that there's a lot of fan support for Chase. Even if that fan support is not about defending rape, it might be perceived that way.

I don't know. Maybe I'm making false assumptions and that's not how this story will be perceived but I'm worried. When the show turned Nick into a homophobe, I was pleasantly surprised how most of the viewers stood up for Will and Sonny, I didn't see many people trying to defend Nick's actions. And the writing wasn't for this story wasn't even that great.
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Feb 18 2016, 06:09 AM
I get the people saying it's too soon to judge this story but at the same time, I think there are several reasons to think it's already off to a bad start.

I don't think VJ is the right actress for this, she's weak and a lot of fans have been complaining about her. The writers should have been careful not to portray Chase as a likable misunderstood teenager and should have insisted more on his dark side over the past few weeks. Andre's involvement in the story is also a bad idea, it feels like the goal is to shift the blame (or at least some of it) on him when Chase is the guilty one. And the writers also added the fact that Ciara has some feelings for Chase, insinuating that she wanted it.

If you do a rape story, you should make sure there won't be a lot of fans who will feel bad for the rapist or will easily find excuses to his behavior and I don't think the writers have done that well so far. There's also the fact that some will perceive this story as throwing a character they like under the bus to prop a character they don't like and that usually backfires. I could imagine this story having a negative impact on the victims out there if they feel that there's a lot of fan support for Chase. Even if that fan support is not about defending rape, it might be perceived that way.

I don't know. Maybe I'm making false assumptions and that's not how this story will be perceived but I'm worried. When the show turned Nick into a homophobe, I was pleasantly surprised how most of the viewers stood up for Will and Sonny, I didn't see many people trying to defend Nick's actions. And the writing wasn't for this story wasn't even that great.
I agree, the writing for the character of Chase had made at least some of the viewers feel bad/sorry for the boy because of his traumatic past before the rape happened. It's a questionable choice to make him a rapist. I think the other boy -Henry, we know nothing about would have probably been a better choice.
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My opinion is that Daytime is far behind when it comes to storytelling if compared with primetime, I wonder if the day will come when everything in Daytime fit? What I mean is the characters feels ok and it is exciting stories and you think it's worth watching a half hour or hour, for it is so exciting. Days should trim their cast and writing more exciting characters. Everything feels mediocre right now on Days. And old super couples from a bygone era is not what attracts me.
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Feb 18 2016, 07:14 AM
My opinion is that Daytime is far behind when it comes to storytelling if compared with primetime, I wonder if the day will come when everything in Daytime fit? What I mean is the characters feels ok and it is exciting stories and you think it's worth watching a half hour or hour, for it is so exciting. Days should trim their cast and writing more exciting characters. Everything feels mediocre right now on Days. And old super couples from a bygone era is not what attracts me.


Primetime shows don't produce 250 episodes a year and their shows don't last 50+ years. It's like comparing apples to oranges.
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Feb 18 2016, 07:14 AM
My opinion is that Daytime is far behind when it comes to storytelling if compared with primetime, I wonder if the day will come when everything in Daytime fit? What I mean is the characters feels ok and it is exciting stories and you think it's worth watching a half hour or hour, for it is so exciting. Days should trim their cast and writing more exciting characters. Everything feels mediocre right now on Days. And old super couples from a bygone era is not what attracts me.
Old supercouples may not attract you but a lot of people like them. And they certainly haven't eaten the show alive (looking at you Hope). Soap operas need strong families and to tell stories across multiple generations. I actually think for the first time in a long time Days is doing that. From Victor's story, to S&K and J&M, to the Belle/Brady/Shawn D age group and then the teens.
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