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Griffith OUT!
Topic Started: Feb 18 2016, 06:01 PM (63,280 Views)
lysie


Idk if this came up earlier, but Ryan Quan is the youngest person on the writing staff.
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Just to throw out a name, wondering what Tom Casiello doing these days ??
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Amazee-Dayzee


Are people upset that Hackley is staying and Josh/Beth is out or are they upset that this Ryan Quan guy is in? I never heard of him.
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Hugo


I don't know.

Griffith is a better writer than Higley but I hated his vision for Days, the show got way too depressing. All the murders and now Ciara's rape, that's too much. I think he didn't want to write for the gay characters, maybe he was forced to at the end since Paul got a story and Sonny came back. He had no interest in Justin, Adrienne and Lucas, dropped Wally and Judi to recurring. Maybe those 3 actors will get a story again. And he probably hated Greg V since he treated him like shit. So I can't be sad that Griffith is gone. I would have prefered if he stayed and changed his vision but it is what it is.

Higley staying is bad news since she only cares about her pets. Rafe will be on everyday and if she's forced to give up Rope, she will just try to start a new supercouple for him. I wouldn't be surprised if Tamara Braun returned as Taylor and she tried to make her the show's leading lady.

I'm happy that a younger writer gets a chance. I hope Ryan Quan has good ideas and is more in touch with our time than all those old headwriters than have been telling the same stories for decades.
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Wait the Necktie Killer was Griffith's idea? I thought that was a TomSell parting gift?
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Feb 19 2016, 01:35 AM
The problem with Dena is she has no clue on how to execute stories. She comes up with good "ideas." But an idea is not a STORY! Stories need to be written in long form....with a beginning...middle and end. So the writing team has a base to work from. So they're all on the same page. And aren't just guessing and making shit up as they go.

I assume the reason they are giving her a breakdown writer as co-head....is they feel he could help fill in the missing links with her writing. Though....I doubt he'll be allowed to with her in charge.

I have watched Days twice since November (the least amount I have in two decades) and this news gives me NO urge to tune back in.
She's the George Lucas of daytime soaps.
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lysie
Feb 19 2016, 02:57 AM
Idk if this came up earlier, but Ryan Quan is the youngest person on the writing staff.
Just went through all the head writers. With Ryan's first episode to air sometime after his 39th birthday in September, he joins only one other "Days" head writer to have their first episode air when they are 39...Bill Bell!

Youngest "Days" Head Writers...Age when First Episode Aired
Michelle Poteet Lisanti...26, 9m
Richard J. Allen...30, 2m
Anne Schoettle...30, 3m
Gary Tomlin...30, 7m
Sheri Anderson...33, 9m
Beth Milstein...34,11m
Kenneth M. Rosen...36, 9m
Leah Laiman...38, 3m,4d
Thom Racina...38, 3m, 20d
Ryan Quan...39-ish
William J. Bell...39, 4m








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Hugo
Feb 19 2016, 03:14 AM
I don't know.

Griffith is a better writer than Higley but I hated his vision for Days, the show got way too depressing. All the murders and now Ciara's rape, that's too much. I think he didn't want to write for the gay characters, maybe he was forced to at the end since Paul got a story and Sonny came back. He had no interest in Justin, Adrienne and Lucas, dropped Wally and Judi to recurring. Maybe those 3 actors will get a story again. And he probably hated Greg V since he treated him like shit. So I can't be sad that Griffith is gone. I would have prefered if he stayed and changed his vision but it is what it is.

Higley staying is bad news since she only cares about her pets. Rafe will be on everyday and if she's forced to give up Rope, she will just try to start a new supercouple for him. I wouldn't be surprised if Tamara Braun returned as Taylor and she tried to make her the show's leading lady.

I'm happy that a younger writer gets a chance. I hope Ryan Quan has good ideas and is more in touch with our time than all those old headwriters than have been telling the same stories for decades.
Well rumor is that she has difficulties in cooperating and she has a big ego she wants at all costs to let her vision control and her bias is so strong, so the story suffer all the time with her onboard. So quite honestly, even if this Ryan is good and has good ideas how much will his creative vison prevail???
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Hugo
Feb 19 2016, 03:14 AM
I don't know.

Griffith is a better writer than Higley but I hated his vision for Days, the show got way too depressing. All the murders and now Ciara's rape, that's too much. I think he didn't want to write for the gay characters, maybe he was forced to at the end since Paul got a story and Sonny came back. He had no interest in Justin, Adrienne and Lucas, dropped Wally and Judi to recurring. Maybe those 3 actors will get a story again. And he probably hated Greg V since he treated him like shit. So I can't be sad that Griffith is gone. I would have prefered if he stayed and changed his vision but it is what it is.

Higley staying is bad news since she only cares about her pets. Rafe will be on everyday and if she's forced to give up Rope, she will just try to start a new supercouple for him. I wouldn't be surprised if Tamara Braun returned as Taylor and she tried to make her the show's leading lady.

I'm happy that a younger writer gets a chance. I hope Ryan Quan has good ideas and is more in touch with our time than all those old headwriters than have been telling the same stories for decades.
Pretty much all of this. I don't want to watch Dr. Dan adventures but I also don't want to watch CSI: Salem and am tired of squinting to make out room details because all the sets are missing lightbulbs. I'm going to wait and see what Quan can do and wait and see what characters get screen time again under Quigley :shrug:
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dooldooldool


I have watched DOOL for 30+ years and I enjoy this message board. I can appreciate the spirited discussions and devotion that many express.

But honestly, I think folks need to chill for a moment.

No studio/producer is gonna whiplash fire/change their mind about any BTS decisions because a few dozen folks on a message board suddenly go bonkers/crazy with tweets and pages-long board topics.

This is show business. And clearly business decisions are being made. It's already been theorized that Griffith's 1-year contract came to an end. Either he didn't want to stay, was offered a low-ball $$$ extension (welcome to daytime), or he was fired (based on what has been taped and will air until the Olympics).

As for his co-writer, we know she was on a LOA. What we don't know is how that affected her contractually. If it was unpaid, then she still has a contract and it's cheaper to keep her around than to buy her out. That could mean she's out the door once her earlier contract ends.

Regardless, we don't know squat.

What we do know is that the show is renewed, with an option. Clearly, these BTS machinations were part of the negotiations. Perhaps that added to the delay in the announcement.

We also know that the ratings have been more than decent, even with the hackneyed storytelling of the past couple months. Yet, ratings rise.

That's what the suits care about. They don't care about airtime for aging supercouples. They don't care whether the storylines are inconsistent. They don't care about message boards, filled with posts from folks who openly say they "haven't watched in weeks" or "read the recaps".

They care about making money. And DOOL will make money when it cuts costs and gains/holds ratings.

We all know the cast is too large. There's a fanbase which will squeal and moan with every change/departure. There's also likely a group of actors who basically work for scale/insurance and they won't go anywhere.

The same dynamic likely exists behind the scenes. I doubt we will see any stability for awhile. The now-rumored TWO month break in taping may help them down the road to yank bad (ie badly rated stories) sooner. That is a good thing.

This is a business to make money. As long as DOOL makes money, NBC will keep renewing it and Corday will keep the cameras rolling.

In the meanwhile, we have 5-6 months of one writer's direction. It could be gangbusters or it could be horrific. We aren't going to see another direction until after the Olympic break.

Ratings will ultimately decide what happens next.
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Hugo


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Feb 19 2016, 03:29 AM
Hugo
Feb 19 2016, 03:14 AM
I don't know.

Griffith is a better writer than Higley but I hated his vision for Days, the show got way too depressing. All the murders and now Ciara's rape, that's too much. I think he didn't want to write for the gay characters, maybe he was forced to at the end since Paul got a story and Sonny came back. He had no interest in Justin, Adrienne and Lucas, dropped Wally and Judi to recurring. Maybe those 3 actors will get a story again. And he probably hated Greg V since he treated him like shit. So I can't be sad that Griffith is gone. I would have prefered if he stayed and changed his vision but it is what it is.

Higley staying is bad news since she only cares about her pets. Rafe will be on everyday and if she's forced to give up Rope, she will just try to start a new supercouple for him. I wouldn't be surprised if Tamara Braun returned as Taylor and she tried to make her the show's leading lady.

I'm happy that a younger writer gets a chance. I hope Ryan Quan has good ideas and is more in touch with our time than all those old headwriters than have been telling the same stories for decades.
Well rumor is that she has difficulties in cooperating and she has a big ego she wants at all costs to let her vision control and her bias is so strong, so the story suffer all the time with her onboard. So quite honestly, even if this Ryan is good and has good ideas how much will his creative vison prevail???
I think NBC might get more creative control. Maybe that's the reason Griffith is gone, he quit because he couldn't do what he wanted anymore. Higley has been benched for 6 months, maybe that will calm her down a little bit.
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lysie


dooldooldool
Feb 19 2016, 03:48 AM
I have watched DOOL for 30+ years and I enjoy this message board. I can appreciate the spirited discussions and devotion that many express.

But honestly, I think folks need to chill for a moment.

No studio/producer is gonna whiplash fire/change their mind about any BTS decisions because a few dozen folks on a message board suddenly go bonkers/crazy with tweets and pages-long board topics.

This is show business. And clearly business decisions are being made. It's already been theorized that Griffith's 1-year contract came to an end. Either he didn't want to stay, was offered a low-ball $$$ extension (welcome to daytime), or he was fired (based on what has been taped and will air until the Olympics).

As for his co-writer, we know she was on a LOA. What we don't know is how that affected her contractually. If it was unpaid, then she still has a contract and it's cheaper to keep her around than to buy her out. That could mean she's out the door once her earlier contract ends.

Regardless, we don't know squat.

What we do know is that the show is renewed, with an option. Clearly, these BTS machinations were part of the negotiations. Perhaps that added to the delay in the announcement.

We also know that the ratings have been more than decent, even with the hackneyed storytelling of the past couple months. Yet, ratings rise.

That's what the suits care about. They don't care about airtime for aging supercouples. They don't care whether the storylines are inconsistent. They don't care about message boards, filled with posts from folks who openly say they "haven't watched in weeks" or "read the recaps".

They care about making money. And DOOL will make money when it cuts costs and gains/holds ratings.

We all know the cast is too large. There's a fanbase which will squeal and moan with every change/departure. There's also likely a group of actors who basically work for scale/insurance and they won't go anywhere.

The same dynamic likely exists behind the scenes. I doubt we will see any stability for awhile. The now-rumored TWO month break in taping may help them down the road to yank bad (ie badly rated stories) sooner. That is a good thing.

This is a business to make money. As long as DOOL makes money, NBC will keep renewing it and Corday will keep the cameras rolling.

In the meanwhile, we have 5-6 months of one writer's direction. It could be gangbusters or it could be horrific. We aren't going to see another direction until after the Olympic break.

Ratings will ultimately decide what happens next.
None of this really has anything to do with why people are upset, and nearly all of it is stuff that's been addressed. I think most people know the bottom line. I certainly do. I'd still like to have a show I want to watch, and Higley isn't going to be one to accomplish that.
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Hugo
Feb 19 2016, 03:49 AM
The Scorpion
Feb 19 2016, 03:29 AM
Hugo
Feb 19 2016, 03:14 AM
I don't know.

Griffith is a better writer than Higley but I hated his vision for Days, the show got way too depressing. All the murders and now Ciara's rape, that's too much. I think he didn't want to write for the gay characters, maybe he was forced to at the end since Paul got a story and Sonny came back. He had no interest in Justin, Adrienne and Lucas, dropped Wally and Judi to recurring. Maybe those 3 actors will get a story again. And he probably hated Greg V since he treated him like shit. So I can't be sad that Griffith is gone. I would have prefered if he stayed and changed his vision but it is what it is.

Higley staying is bad news since she only cares about her pets. Rafe will be on everyday and if she's forced to give up Rope, she will just try to start a new supercouple for him. I wouldn't be surprised if Tamara Braun returned as Taylor and she tried to make her the show's leading lady.

I'm happy that a younger writer gets a chance. I hope Ryan Quan has good ideas and is more in touch with our time than all those old headwriters than have been telling the same stories for decades.
Well rumor is that she has difficulties in cooperating and she has a big ego she wants at all costs to let her vision control and her bias is so strong, so the story suffer all the time with her onboard. So quite honestly, even if this Ryan is good and has good ideas how much will his creative vison prevail???
I think NBC might get more creative control. Maybe that's the reason Griffith is gone, he quit because he couldn't do what he wanted anymore. Higley has been benched for 6 months, maybe that will calm her down a little bit.
NBC getting more creative control is a whole other reason to be upset. Nothing good comes from them.
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dooldooldool
Feb 19 2016, 03:48 AM
I have watched DOOL for 30+ years and I enjoy this message board. I can appreciate the spirited discussions and devotion that many express.

But honestly, I think folks need to chill for a moment.

No studio/producer is gonna whiplash fire/change their mind about any BTS decisions because a few dozen folks on a message board suddenly go bonkers/crazy with tweets and pages-long board topics.

This is show business. And clearly business decisions are being made. It's already been theorized that Griffith's 1-year contract came to an end. Either he didn't want to stay, was offered a low-ball $$$ extension (welcome to daytime), or he was fired (based on what has been taped and will air until the Olympics).

As for his co-writer, we know she was on a LOA. What we don't know is how that affected her contractually. If it was unpaid, then she still has a contract and it's cheaper to keep her around than to buy her out. That could mean she's out the door once her earlier contract ends.

Regardless, we don't know squat.

What we do know is that the show is renewed, with an option. Clearly, these BTS machinations were part of the negotiations. Perhaps that added to the delay in the announcement.

We also know that the ratings have been more than decent, even with the hackneyed storytelling of the past couple months. Yet, ratings rise.

That's what the suits care about. They don't care about airtime for aging supercouples. They don't care whether the storylines are inconsistent. They don't care about message boards, filled with posts from folks who openly say they "haven't watched in weeks" or "read the recaps".

They care about making money. And DOOL will make money when it cuts costs and gains/holds ratings.

We all know the cast is too large. There's a fanbase which will squeal and moan with every change/departure. There's also likely a group of actors who basically work for scale/insurance and they won't go anywhere.

The same dynamic likely exists behind the scenes. I doubt we will see any stability for awhile. The now-rumored TWO month break in taping may help them down the road to yank bad (ie badly rated stories) sooner. That is a good thing.

This is a business to make money. As long as DOOL makes money, NBC will keep renewing it and Corday will keep the cameras rolling.

In the meanwhile, we have 5-6 months of one writer's direction. It could be gangbusters or it could be horrific. We aren't going to see another direction until after the Olympic break.

Ratings will ultimately decide what happens next.
Eh the fans can do what they want if theyre sick and tired of crappy writing after crappy writing. Not that it will probably change anything. But when they keep sticking with a writer that the fans got ousted once before because of awfulness people have a reason to be upset.

Personally Id rather everyone just stop watching and taking the crap so that the show can finally be put out of its misery. Alas soap fans are stubborn.
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lysie
Feb 19 2016, 03:56 AM
Hugo
Feb 19 2016, 03:49 AM
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Feb 19 2016, 03:29 AM

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I think NBC might get more creative control. Maybe that's the reason Griffith is gone, he quit because he couldn't do what he wanted anymore. Higley has been benched for 6 months, maybe that will calm her down a little bit.
NBC getting more creative control is a whole other reason to be upset. Nothing good comes from them.
I remember Marlene McPherson complained about the network's obstructionnism.
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I wonder how many people knew this before it was announced. Was the cast and the crew blindsided or did they see it coming?
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thepadange
Feb 19 2016, 04:03 AM
I wonder how many people knew this before it was announced. Was the cast and the crew blindsided or did they see it coming?
When asked about the headwriters while he was on Afterbuzz's "dishindays" show, Thaao mentioned Josh. That wasn't too long ago so they might not have seen it coming.
Edited by laurondo, Feb 19 2016, 04:14 AM.
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Feb 18 2016, 09:04 PM
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Feb 18 2016, 06:04 PM
OMG! DENA IS STILL THERE. She is the biggest hack ever.


Dena has history with Days. She was a staff writer at Days back in 1985. That's why Ken Corday kept her! She knows history. If James E. Reilly was alive, Ken would have asked him back before Dena because he knew how to bring ratings up!
She may know the history. Too bad she doesn't give a fuck about it in her writing.
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Feb 19 2016, 03:29 AM
Hugo
Feb 19 2016, 03:14 AM
I don't know.

Griffith is a better writer than Higley but I hated his vision for Days, the show got way too depressing. All the murders and now Ciara's rape, that's too much. I think he didn't want to write for the gay characters, maybe he was forced to at the end since Paul got a story and Sonny came back. He had no interest in Justin, Adrienne and Lucas, dropped Wally and Judi to recurring. Maybe those 3 actors will get a story again. And he probably hated Greg V since he treated him like shit. So I can't be sad that Griffith is gone. I would have prefered if he stayed and changed his vision but it is what it is.

Higley staying is bad news since she only cares about her pets. Rafe will be on everyday and if she's forced to give up Rope, she will just try to start a new supercouple for him. I wouldn't be surprised if Tamara Braun returned as Taylor and she tried to make her the show's leading lady.

I'm happy that a younger writer gets a chance. I hope Ryan Quan has good ideas and is more in touch with our time than all those old headwriters than have been telling the same stories for decades.
Well rumor is that she has difficulties in cooperating and she has a big ego she wants at all costs to let her vision control and her bias is so strong, so the story suffer all the time with her onboard. So quite honestly, even if this Ryan is good and has good ideas how much will his creative vison prevail???
The overuse of "I, me, my" in her interviews while talking about her duties as a co-HW shows how egotistical she is.

She likely expects Ryan Quan to assist her rather than be an equal Co-HW, just the way she was talking about Christopher Whitesell.
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laurondo
Feb 19 2016, 04:13 AM
thepadange
Feb 19 2016, 04:03 AM
I wonder how many people knew this before it was announced. Was the cast and the crew blindsided or did they see it coming?
When asked about the headwriters while he was on Afterbuzz's "dishindays" show, Thaao mentioned Josh. That wasn't too long ago so they might not have seen it coming.
I haven't read the article, but the Jordi thread says he only mentioned Josh as well.
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