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Griffith OUT!
Topic Started: Feb 18 2016, 06:01 PM (63,275 Views)
LuvingLumi
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!

I don't think a campaign at this moment is going to work. Frankly, one of the main reasons Corday and Days had to listen in 2011 was because the ratings were atrocious. That is why our campaign worked then. At this stage the ratings are not bad. An argument can be made that we cannot afford to wait around and let the ratings get that bad or else by this time next year we'll be saying goodbye to Days, BUT, the urgency isn't there. I still think her LOA is weird .
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LuvingLumi
Feb 19 2016, 12:16 PM
I don't think a campaign at this moment is going to work. Frankly, one of the main reasons Corday and Days had to listen in 2011 was because the ratings were atrocious. That is why our campaign worked then. At this stage the ratings are not bad. An argument can be made that we cannot afford to wait around and let the ratings get that bad or else by this time next year we'll be saying goodbye to Days, BUT, the urgency isn't there. I still think her LOA is weird .
Her LOA is why it's a good time. ;)
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LuvingLumi
Feb 19 2016, 12:16 PM
I don't think a campaign at this moment is going to work. Frankly, one of the main reasons Corday and Days had to listen in 2011 was because the ratings were atrocious. That is why our campaign worked then. At this stage the ratings are not bad. An argument can be made that we cannot afford to wait around and let the ratings get that bad or else by this time next year we'll be saying goodbye to Days, BUT, the urgency isn't there. I still think her LOA is weird .
The ratings have been decent but they are not THAT good. She had a food few weeks in early January. The show was trending upward the entire Fall when she wasn't really influencing much.

I don't think ratings has much to do with this anyway. I don't think she has much going for outside of Corday. In fact, I think that is all she has going in her favor. In 2011, when we started the campaign, the numbers were actually really good. That was a rough winter and the numbers in January and February were good. It wasn't until March and April that the bottom fell out. So, I don't think the ratings argument holds water here at all.
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Feb 19 2016, 08:05 AM
R.I.P., DAYS...I didn't think they really deserved a renewal this time. Now I KNOW they won't next time. Stick a fork in it....
Yep, the August-late November numbers were definite for a renewal ( the show to me was a no miss). Once the holidays hit and I may have tuned in a couple of times but not even for the full hour ( it is trash...been reading recaps etc.). I don't get this if based on recent ratings. This should be asterisked for late January due to weather on East Coast and the snowed in conditions, and look at early Jan etc.
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lysie
Feb 19 2016, 12:17 PM
LuvingLumi
Feb 19 2016, 12:16 PM
I don't think a campaign at this moment is going to work. Frankly, one of the main reasons Corday and Days had to listen in 2011 was because the ratings were atrocious. That is why our campaign worked then. At this stage the ratings are not bad. An argument can be made that we cannot afford to wait around and let the ratings get that bad or else by this time next year we'll be saying goodbye to Days, BUT, the urgency isn't there. I still think her LOA is weird .
Her LOA is why it's a good time. ;)
Her history and the retread stories. We are commenting on the non original of the current S/K/Ava. The corrupt Hope story is similar to nighttime Hope. All stories that were bombs by the fans. That needs to be stressed about her failure history and why would you want to repeat it
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PhoenixRising05
Feb 19 2016, 12:15 PM
Mitchapalooza
Feb 19 2016, 12:12 PM
lysie
Feb 19 2016, 01:32 AM
Anyone want to help me send toilet paper to the set?
yes yes yes!!! Please let's organize sometbing I'm am so ready!
I'm so glad your so into this. Doesn't seem like too many people are.

I mean, I get it. This show continuously shooting itself in the foot is beyond old. If this board hadn't been successful in a campaign like this before, I would agree...why waste my time. However, it was successful. We got this hack canned the last time and that was when she wasn't nearly as vulnerable to being fired as she is this time. We have what could be a two month hiatus here. Let's use it to our advantage and make real change happen so when the show returns from it's production hiatus it really is a new beginning with no Higley in sight.
I'm going to do what I can. I'm limited during the day due to work, but I can mail and email and do FB and Twitter off work hours.
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Feb 19 2016, 12:14 PM
anzu
Feb 19 2016, 11:11 AM
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Feb 19 2016, 10:30 AM

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This is something I have heard different things about for as long as I've glanced at a message board- did Higley not essentially "create" Sonny (not as a character but as an adult we would see onscreen)? I know she wasn't there during Wilson but there seems to be a discrepancy about her contribution to Sonny's character at least on every board/page I've seen and I would love some clarification if possible :) .
Based on when Sonny showed up (June 2011) Wikipedia says it was Higley/Whitesell writing that brought him back. Then Higley was on her own for a REALLY short stint without Whitesell, and then MarDar began writing in August 2011. I don't know what the actual gap is between writing and airdate, or when their first stuff would've started airing though. Sonny went missing completely in the spring of 2011, so I'd think it was MarDar that was responsible for Sonny's absence since the stuff that was airing then would've been 8 months after MarDar began writing.

Basically, we haven't seen Higley write any romance for Sonny, but she did create adult Sonny I guess, and involved him in family stuff for a while I think before MarDar took over and he disappeared.
Thank you! This has been bothering me because I always get two different stories on this
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Higley is not gonna be fired over the ratings any time soon since her material will only start airing again in September. If they hit new lows in the next few weeks, it will be blamed on Griffith and Milstein. That's why the taping schedule sucks. She will be able to write whatever she wants for more than half a year before the viewers can see it and show their disapproval by tuning out.

She's basically guaranteed to be headwriter for another year... unless the fans are able to sway Corday/Sony/NBC with an aggressive campaign against her. I don't think it will work but that's the only hope.
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lysie's Twitter account is a masterpiece right now. Receipts, receipts, receipts. Brava.
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LuvingLumi
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!

lysie
Feb 19 2016, 12:17 PM
LuvingLumi
Feb 19 2016, 12:16 PM
I don't think a campaign at this moment is going to work. Frankly, one of the main reasons Corday and Days had to listen in 2011 was because the ratings were atrocious. That is why our campaign worked then. At this stage the ratings are not bad. An argument can be made that we cannot afford to wait around and let the ratings get that bad or else by this time next year we'll be saying goodbye to Days, BUT, the urgency isn't there. I still think her LOA is weird .
Her LOA is why it's a good time. ;)
I frankly think she's been back for a while, but we just haven't heard it officially. Do you think if she would have been still on her LOA they wouldn't have announced it with this article? IDK, that is why I think it's weird...I don't think she's still out, I think she's been back likely since the start of the new year in some capacity, maybe not full time, but if she would have still been on her LOA as this story was breaking, I think it would have been announced that Beth was still subbing for Dena while she's on her LOA and that Josh was out. No mention of Beth at all is very strange to me...meaning, Dena came back right before Josh decided to go...likely why he decided to go...
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What bothers me besides her writing style is that she brings the factor of instability in whenever she is at the helm. There's always something going on - power struggle, fired EPs, co-HWs, her LOA. The show with one year renewal doesn't need it. It's too risky.
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!

PhoenixRising05
Feb 19 2016, 12:19 PM
LuvingLumi
Feb 19 2016, 12:16 PM
I don't think a campaign at this moment is going to work. Frankly, one of the main reasons Corday and Days had to listen in 2011 was because the ratings were atrocious. That is why our campaign worked then. At this stage the ratings are not bad. An argument can be made that we cannot afford to wait around and let the ratings get that bad or else by this time next year we'll be saying goodbye to Days, BUT, the urgency isn't there. I still think her LOA is weird .
The ratings have been decent but they are not THAT good. She had a food few weeks in early January. The show was trending upward the entire Fall when she wasn't really influencing much.

I don't think ratings has much to do with this anyway. I don't think she has much going for outside of Corday. In fact, I think that is all she has going in her favor. In 2011, when we started the campaign, the numbers were actually really good. That was a rough winter and the numbers in January and February were good. It wasn't until March and April that the bottom fell out. So, I don't think the ratings argument holds water here at all.
We didn't start the campaign until the late spring/early summer when the numbers had fallen fast...they were loosing 100-200K viewers a week, week in and week out and you know what got us to actually do it? The fact that AMC and OLTL got cancelled in April. I remember that one of the arguments was that we didn't want Days to suffer the same fate and we wanted to get a writer change with enough time to affect story lines and get ratings up before the renewal talks started that fall. As I said and I still believe, the urgency then was different than it is now. The show JUST GOT a renewal notice pretty much last week, and the ratings aren't hitting new record lows every like they were in 2011.....
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thepadange
Feb 19 2016, 01:18 PM
What bothers me besides her writing style is that she brings the factor of instability in whenever she is at the helm. There's always something going on - power struggle, fired EPs, co-HWs, her LOA. The show with one year renewal doesn't need it. It's too risky.
Mmmhmm. I mean, I don't think Corday wants Days cancelled; it's his business after all. I think he's just been completely snowed by Higley. I've seen something similar happen in my life, too, and it was absolutely maddening.
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lysie
Feb 19 2016, 12:09 PM
cord08
Feb 19 2016, 11:51 AM
PhilipCanDoBetter
Feb 19 2016, 09:18 AM
Dena can suck it.

I hope BF doesn't lose his job over her!!! 😒
I would be completely shocked if they got rid of BF. Chad, if I'm not mistaken, was a character originally created by Dena, and he's literally one of the few younger leading men they have. I don't think he's going anywhere unless he decides to leave (which is totally possible I suppose).
Actors being fired isn't the only concern. Keeping them around is just as bad. Dena's Chad isn't the Chad Billy has been playing.
I said that to someone earlier. She'll turn him into EJ.
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LuvingLumi
Feb 19 2016, 01:23 PM
PhoenixRising05
Feb 19 2016, 12:19 PM
LuvingLumi
Feb 19 2016, 12:16 PM
I don't think a campaign at this moment is going to work. Frankly, one of the main reasons Corday and Days had to listen in 2011 was because the ratings were atrocious. That is why our campaign worked then. At this stage the ratings are not bad. An argument can be made that we cannot afford to wait around and let the ratings get that bad or else by this time next year we'll be saying goodbye to Days, BUT, the urgency isn't there. I still think her LOA is weird .
The ratings have been decent but they are not THAT good. She had a food few weeks in early January. The show was trending upward the entire Fall when she wasn't really influencing much.

I don't think ratings has much to do with this anyway. I don't think she has much going for outside of Corday. In fact, I think that is all she has going in her favor. In 2011, when we started the campaign, the numbers were actually really good. That was a rough winter and the numbers in January and February were good. It wasn't until March and April that the bottom fell out. So, I don't think the ratings argument holds water here at all.
We didn't start the campaign until the late spring/early summer when the numbers had fallen fast...they were loosing 100-200K viewers a week, week in and week out and you know what got us to actually do it? The fact that AMC and OLTL got cancelled in April. I remember that one of the arguments was that we didn't want Days to suffer the same fate and we wanted to get a writer change with enough time to affect story lines and get ratings up before the renewal talks started that fall. As I said and I still believe, the urgency then was different than it is now. The show JUST GOT a renewal notice pretty much last week, and the ratings aren't hitting new record lows every like they were in 2011.....
The cancellations came down in April. The campaign started before then because Higley was fired in May. I think it started sometime in March. Your right that the other cancellations aided in lighting a fire under everyone but things were already well underway before that. And, whether it started in March or April, the show had still had good ratings in January and February of that year and the show tanks in the ratings every spring regardless of writers so, again, the ratings argument IMO holds no water.

Yes, we got a renewal last week but it's a one year renewal that took forever to get done. If they allow Higley to write the Fall stories, this show has no chance because that wouldn't give a new writing team anytime to improve things because, by the time they do, we would be heading into the spring when ratings historically suck anyway. The change needs to be made before the production hiatus is over ideally. The sooner the change, the better. '

You could be right and it may not make a difference but why not try? What is the harm? Why go with the status quo? It worked last time and it could work this time. I wouldn't write anything off before trying.
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anzu
Feb 19 2016, 12:39 PM
Luce
Feb 19 2016, 12:14 PM
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Feb 19 2016, 11:11 AM

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Based on when Sonny showed up (June 2011) Wikipedia says it was Higley/Whitesell writing that brought him back. Then Higley was on her own for a REALLY short stint without Whitesell, and then MarDar began writing in August 2011. I don't know what the actual gap is between writing and airdate, or when their first stuff would've started airing though. Sonny went missing completely in the spring of 2011, so I'd think it was MarDar that was responsible for Sonny's absence since the stuff that was airing then would've been 8 months after MarDar began writing.

Basically, we haven't seen Higley write any romance for Sonny, but she did create adult Sonny I guess, and involved him in family stuff for a while I think before MarDar took over and he disappeared.
Thank you! This has been bothering me because I always get two different stories on this
Sonny I think was essentially brought in as the other half of the gay couple but no one but Chandler knew for months which character was coming out as gay. I think that's why Sonny would have been backburned as he was always meant to be the supporting role in that pairing. The story of Will and Sonny was equal parts the couple's love story and Will's story and his journey coming to realize and accept himself for who he was. A partner, be it boyfriend or husband, couldn't be in the picture yet at that point. Sonny played pretty much the same sort of role as T with a little more "bite" to him b/c of the club and being part of Victor's family.
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cord08
Feb 19 2016, 01:23 PM
thepadange
Feb 19 2016, 01:18 PM
What bothers me besides her writing style is that she brings the factor of instability in whenever she is at the helm. There's always something going on - power struggle, fired EPs, co-HWs, her LOA. The show with one year renewal doesn't need it. It's too risky.
Mmmhmm. I mean, I don't think Corday wants Days cancelled; it's his business after all. I think he's just been completely snowed by Higley. I've seen something similar happen in my life, too, and it was absolutely maddening.
From what I'm reading about Higley, she seems VERY high on the narcissism scale - not atypical of people who work in Hollywood. But, given what appears to be her cunning, manipulative, and controlling nature - and her ineptitude - she might very well be a straight up psychopath/sociopath. Great woman to run the show!

P.S. Sorry to hear about your past situation with a similar type of person, cord08.
Edited by frivolity, Feb 19 2016, 01:51 PM.
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Feb 19 2016, 03:14 AM
I don't know.

Griffith is a better writer than Higley but I hated his vision for Days, the show got way too depressing. All the murders and now Ciara's rape, that's too much. I think he didn't want to write for the gay characters, maybe he was forced to at the end since Paul got a story and Sonny came back. He had no interest in Justin, Adrienne and Lucas, dropped Wally and Judi to recurring. Maybe those 3 actors will get a story again. And he probably hated Greg V since he treated him like shit. So I can't be sad that Griffith is gone. I would have prefered if he stayed and changed his vision but it is what it is.

Higley staying is bad news since she only cares about her pets. Rafe will be on everyday and if she's forced to give up Rope, she will just try to start a new supercouple for him. I wouldn't be surprised if Tamara Braun returned as Taylor and she tried to make her the show's leading lady.

I'm happy that a younger writer gets a chance. I hope Ryan Quan has good ideas and is more in touch with our time than all those old headwriters than have been telling the same stories for decades.
Agree with you completely! :hail:
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Thank you JCP.

I love Steve and Kayla, but I want Kayla to kick him out and have a one night stand and throw it in his face. It is a soap, I want Kayla to be the one who goes off character and make him pay.
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Anyway, this works fine. Honey, you look horrific.

Lysie on Twitter today, is like

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