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Griffith OUT!
Topic Started: Feb 18 2016, 06:01 PM (63,272 Views)
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samskara2012
Feb 19 2016, 07:21 PM
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Feb 19 2016, 07:01 AM
samskara2012
Feb 19 2016, 06:24 AM

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It's pure speculation on my part based on the assumptions that:
1. Higley adores Tamara Braun
2. Ava has been killed off

I don't really think it will happen but I won't be shocked if it does.
So what if Higley adores Tamara. I adore Tamara, but I don't want her sticking around a sinking boat or having to be made a mockery by a writer who clearly has no direction for her. And clearly I'm not a fan of Higley's ability to write for Tamara. This is what happened on GH when Charles Pratt and Bob Guza kept having her Carly as a retainer for Sonny and not going full steam ahead with the more favoured pairing for Carly with Lorenzo. Then Tamara left GH in 2005. She came to DOOL back in Feb 2008 with what I thought was going to be a killer story and being able to be paired with another of my favourite actors on daytime in Stephen Nichols. Half way through that story though, suddenly she was being flung into John and Marlena's story without reason. Then she goes to AMC where she's going to be paired with an iconic daytime character in Bianca, none other than the daughter of Erica Kane. So then this idea of this groundbreaking story with the first gay wedding on daytime television, comes, and what does Charles Pratt do? Has Reese kissing the husband of her wife-to-be's sister. So that automatically made her persona non grata on that show because of the shoddy writing. So come 2011, it's announced Tamara is coming back to Days, but not as Ava (her Emmy Award Winning Role) but as a recast Taylor, a character who wasn't well liked because of Natalia Livingston and the "scarfmance" stupidity, but also because of the Ejami and Ejole fans who were hitting the roof because she was an interloper. So once again Tamara is written off (September 2011). Then last July it's announced Tamara is coming back as Ava. Well talk about having hope that finally she would be getting the writing worthy of her. Nope! If any of what we're seeing is anything Higley has written, or the indicator of where she plans on going with Ava should Tamara sign long-term.... As a dedicated Tamara Braun fan, I don't want it and won't watch. So even if as you say Higley adores Tamara, her writing sure hasn't proven that one bit.

As to the second point, tell me where has Ava been "killed off"? She wasn't killed off the last time, and I doubt she will be IF Higley as as fond her as you say. But again, this card carrying Tamara Braun fan has nothing to be happy about considering the crap they've given her so far.
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Feb 19 2016, 06:02 PM
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Seriously, the top actors on this show need to do a mass walk-out or something!

If any of the big names get let go this time around... they are flippin' idiots if they EVER come back! And honestly, if I was them I would friggin quit first and not give them the satisfaction!
I'm salivating over the idea of this right now.

Deidre, Drake, Stephen, Mary Beth, maybe the support of Bill, Susan, Martha and Brandon, walking into Corday's office and saying "She goes, or we go. Your choice." It'll never happen, but I can dream.
I think it would need to be KA and GG. From SN/MBE and the DHs it would look self serving. She's scuttled them before.
The entire cast should stage a walkout. If it was just a few then tptb could just say, 'See ya'. But if it was the whole cast they'd be no one to write for. I remember how the cast of Friends hung together to get a pay increase.
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In trying to find a little spark of optimism in this dark crap hole last night, all I could find was the glimmer of hope that Higley is still on LOA. In which case, she'd still officially be the head writer that's left with Griffith leaving, but not actually, physically, going back to work. Ryan Quan is Beth Milstein ala summer 2006 (interim), while they are scrambling trying to secure or find a new head writer.

And that's my message of hope.
Yeah, there is that slim possibility. But I mean, if Dena's not coming back, why not announce her exit already? I assume her contract was as long as Griffith's, so if it was a year contract, they could just release her at this point.

The fact that they never officially confirmed Dena's LOA or Beth joining is interesting, though.

God, I hope you're somehow right.

Another name I saw thrown out there today as a possible replacement is Sri Rao. He wrote for GH: Night Shift, a GH spinoff from the 2000s. I didn't watch, but a lot of people seemed to like it. And according to a tweet from January, he'd still be interesting in head writing GH if given the opportunity. He's also Indian American, if I'm not mistaken. An Indian and Asian American heading a soap? Damn. Call him up, Days!

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People keep talking about contracts. I'm not so sure contracts work the same with writers as they do actors. Actually, I'm pretty doubtful that they do.
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samskara2012
Feb 19 2016, 07:21 PM
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Feb 19 2016, 07:01 AM
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Feb 19 2016, 06:24 AM

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It's pure speculation on my part based on the assumptions that:
1. Higley adores Tamara Braun
2. Ava has been killed off

I don't really think it will happen but I won't be shocked if it does.
So what if Higley adores Tamara. I adore Tamara, but I don't want her sticking around a sinking boat or having to be made a mockery by a writer who clearly has no direction for her. And clearly I'm not a fan of Higley's ability to write for Tamara. This is what happened on GH when Charles Pratt and Bob Guza kept having her Carly as a retainer for Sonny and not going full steam ahead with the more favoured pairing for Carly with Lorenzo. Then Tamara left GH in 2005. She came to DOOL back in Feb 2008 with what I thought was going to be a killer story and being able to be paired with another of my favourite actors on daytime in Stephen Nichols. Half way through that story though, suddenly she was being flung into John and Marlena's story without reason. Then she goes to AMC where she's going to be paired with an iconic daytime character in Bianca, none other than the daughter of Erica Kane. So then this idea of this groundbreaking story with the first gay wedding on daytime television, comes, and what does Charles Pratt do? Has Reese kissing the husband of her wife-to-be's sister. So that automatically made her persona non grata on that show because of the shoddy writing. So come 2011, it's announced Tamara is coming back to Days, but not as Ava (her Emmy Award Winning Role) but as a recast Taylor, a character who wasn't well liked because of Natalia Livingston and the "scarfmance" stupidity, but also because of the Ejami and Ejole fans who were hitting the roof because she was an interloper. So once again Tamara is written off (September 2011). Then last July it's announced Tamara is coming back as Ava. Well talk about having hope that finally she would be getting the writing worthy of her. Nope! If any of what we're seeing is anything Higley has written, or the indicator of where she plans on going with Ava should Tamara sign long-term.... As a dedicated Tamara Braun fan, I don't want it and won't watch. So even if as you say Higley adores Tamara, her writing sure hasn't proven that one bit.

As to the second point, tell me where has Ava been "killed off"? She wasn't killed off the last time, and I doubt she will be IF Higley as as fond her as you say. But again, this card carrying Tamara Braun fan has nothing to be happy about considering the crap they've given her so far.
I think you're missing the point. Higley is a terrible writer. She doesn't write well for the people she likes. She seems to like Tamara. No one is claiming that Tamara has gotten good writing. She's gotten Dena writing. Which is what some of us don't want.
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Feb 19 2016, 07:23 PM
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Feb 19 2016, 07:21 PM


I don't really think it will happen but I won't be shocked if it does.
So what if Higley adores Tamara. I adore Tamara, but I don't want her sticking around a sinking boat or having to be made a mockery by a writer who clearly has no direction for her. And clearly I'm not a fan of Higley's ability to write for Tamara. This is what happened on GH when Charles Pratt and Bob Guza kept having her Carly as a retainer for Sonny and not going full steam ahead with the more favoured pairing for Carly with Lorenzo. Then Tamara left GH in 2005. She came to DOOL back in Feb 2008 with what I thought was going to be a killer story and being able to be paired with another of my favourite actors on daytime in Stephen Nichols. Half way through that story though, suddenly she was being flung into John and Marlena's story without reason. Then she goes to AMC where she's going to be paired with an iconic daytime character in Bianca, none other than the daughter of Erica Kane. So then this idea of this groundbreaking story with the first gay wedding on daytime television, comes, and what does Charles Pratt do? Has Reese kissing the husband of her wife-to-be's sister. So that automatically made her persona non grata on that show because of the shoddy writing. So come 2011, it's announced Tamara is coming back to Days, but not as Ava (her Emmy Award Winning Role) but as a recast Taylor, a character who wasn't well liked because of Natalia Livingston and the "scarfmance" stupidity, but also because of the Ejami and Ejole fans who were hitting the roof because she was an interloper. So once again Tamara is written off (September 2011). Then last July it's announced Tamara is coming back as Ava. Well talk about having hope that finally she would be getting the writing worthy of her. Nope! If any of what we're seeing is anything Higley has written, or the indicator of where she plans on going with Ava should Tamara sign long-term.... As a dedicated Tamara Braun fan, I don't want it and won't watch. So even if as you say Higley adores Tamara, her writing sure hasn't proven that one bit.

As to the second point, tell me where has Ava been "killed off"? She wasn't killed off the last time, and I doubt she will be IF Higley as as fond her as you say. But again, this card carrying Tamara Braun fan has nothing to be happy about considering the crap they've given her so far.


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So I saw the promo, but that doesn't mean she's being killed off. She flatlined and doesn't mean she's dead. That stuff she got today in that box might have something to do with it.
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Feb 19 2016, 07:27 PM
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Feb 19 2016, 07:21 PM

So what if Higley adores Tamara. I adore Tamara, but I don't want her sticking around a sinking boat or having to be made a mockery by a writer who clearly has no direction for her. And clearly I'm not a fan of Higley's ability to write for Tamara. This is what happened on GH when Charles Pratt and Bob Guza kept having her Carly as a retainer for Sonny and not going full steam ahead with the more favoured pairing for Carly with Lorenzo. Then Tamara left GH in 2005. She came to DOOL back in Feb 2008 with what I thought was going to be a killer story and being able to be paired with another of my favourite actors on daytime in Stephen Nichols. Half way through that story though, suddenly she was being flung into John and Marlena's story without reason. Then she goes to AMC where she's going to be paired with an iconic daytime character in Bianca, none other than the daughter of Erica Kane. So then this idea of this groundbreaking story with the first gay wedding on daytime television, comes, and what does Charles Pratt do? Has Reese kissing the husband of her wife-to-be's sister. So that automatically made her persona non grata on that show because of the shoddy writing. So come 2011, it's announced Tamara is coming back to Days, but not as Ava (her Emmy Award Winning Role) but as a recast Taylor, a character who wasn't well liked because of Natalia Livingston and the "scarfmance" stupidity, but also because of the Ejami and Ejole fans who were hitting the roof because she was an interloper. So once again Tamara is written off (September 2011). Then last July it's announced Tamara is coming back as Ava. Well talk about having hope that finally she would be getting the writing worthy of her. Nope! If any of what we're seeing is anything Higley has written, or the indicator of where she plans on going with Ava should Tamara sign long-term.... As a dedicated Tamara Braun fan, I don't want it and won't watch. So even if as you say Higley adores Tamara, her writing sure hasn't proven that one bit.

As to the second point, tell me where has Ava been "killed off"? She wasn't killed off the last time, and I doubt she will be IF Higley as as fond her as you say. But again, this card carrying Tamara Braun fan has nothing to be happy about considering the crap they've given her so far.


I think you're missing the point. Higley is a terrible writer. She doesn't write well for the people she likes. She seems to like Tamara. No one is claiming that Tamara has gotten good writing. She's gotten Dena writing. Which is what some of us don't want.
No, I'm not missing the point. The point here is that most of you are saying that Tamara is one of Higley's favourites. She may be but Higley isn't proving that to me as a fan of Tamara's by constantly putting her on this merry-go-round of repetitive writing that serves no other point than to make her the town pariah. I hate the writing Tamara has received on ALL the soaps she's been on, and I come back hoping things will be different but then it turns out like it has this time around. So I'm in the same boat as most of you who are saying your faves will be either written off completely, or backburnered.
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Feb 19 2016, 06:51 PM
In trying to find a little spark of optimism in this dark crap hole last night, all I could find was the glimmer of hope that Higley is still on LOA. In which case, she'd still officially be the head writer that's left with Griffith leaving, but not actually, physically, going back to work. Ryan Quan is Beth Milstein ala summer 2006 (interim), while they are scrambling trying to secure or find a new head writer.

And that's my message of hope.
I actually think that's entirely possible.
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Feb 19 2016, 07:43 PM
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Feb 19 2016, 07:27 PM
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Feb 19 2016, 07:21 PM

So what if Higley adores Tamara. I adore Tamara, but I don't want her sticking around a sinking boat or having to be made a mockery by a writer who clearly has no direction for her. And clearly I'm not a fan of Higley's ability to write for Tamara. This is what happened on GH when Charles Pratt and Bob Guza kept having her Carly as a retainer for Sonny and not going full steam ahead with the more favoured pairing for Carly with Lorenzo. Then Tamara left GH in 2005. She came to DOOL back in Feb 2008 with what I thought was going to be a killer story and being able to be paired with another of my favourite actors on daytime in Stephen Nichols. Half way through that story though, suddenly she was being flung into John and Marlena's story without reason. Then she goes to AMC where she's going to be paired with an iconic daytime character in Bianca, none other than the daughter of Erica Kane. So then this idea of this groundbreaking story with the first gay wedding on daytime television, comes, and what does Charles Pratt do? Has Reese kissing the husband of her wife-to-be's sister. So that automatically made her persona non grata on that show because of the shoddy writing. So come 2011, it's announced Tamara is coming back to Days, but not as Ava (her Emmy Award Winning Role) but as a recast Taylor, a character who wasn't well liked because of Natalia Livingston and the "scarfmance" stupidity, but also because of the Ejami and Ejole fans who were hitting the roof because she was an interloper. So once again Tamara is written off (September 2011). Then last July it's announced Tamara is coming back as Ava. Well talk about having hope that finally she would be getting the writing worthy of her. Nope! If any of what we're seeing is anything Higley has written, or the indicator of where she plans on going with Ava should Tamara sign long-term.... As a dedicated Tamara Braun fan, I don't want it and won't watch. So even if as you say Higley adores Tamara, her writing sure hasn't proven that one bit.

As to the second point, tell me where has Ava been "killed off"? She wasn't killed off the last time, and I doubt she will be IF Higley as as fond her as you say. But again, this card carrying Tamara Braun fan has nothing to be happy about considering the crap they've given her so far.


I think you're missing the point. Higley is a terrible writer. She doesn't write well for the people she likes. She seems to like Tamara. No one is claiming that Tamara has gotten good writing. She's gotten Dena writing. Which is what some of us don't want.
No, I'm not missing the point. The point here is that most of you are saying that Tamara is one of Higley's favourites. She may be but Higley isn't proving that to me as a fan of Tamara's by constantly putting her on this merry-go-round of repetitive writing that serves no other point than to make her the town pariah. I hate the writing Tamara has received on ALL the soaps she's been on, and I come back hoping things will be different but then it turns out like it has this time around. So I'm in the same boat as most of you who are saying your faves will be either written off completely, or backburnered.
Higgle can't write anything but crap for anyone no matter if she likes them or not. Tamara is no different than any other actor/character in that respect. So, Higley isn't going to prove that someone's a favorite by writing them well. She proves they're a favorite of her's by bringing them back in the first place. No other writer, to my knowledge, has brought TB to Days besides Dena. That's the point. Not sure why that is so difficult to understand in this case. :shrug:

EDIT: It auto corrected to "Higgle." I would change it, but "Higgle" tickles me so much I'm going to leave it. :blulaugh:
Edited by cord08, Feb 19 2016, 07:55 PM.
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So sorry for J/M fans, S/K fans...... seriously sorry. I have stopped watching already. I had really wanted to stay after Bo's death, to watch S/K and J/M and a few others, to see the repercussions from Bo's tragic death. But alas, ROPE took over, and while Hope was supposedly avenging Bo's torture, we never really saw her grieve with Ciara, with Shawn. Five minutes after Bo's death it was like he never existed. I wanted some scenes with Kayla and Hope. We sure had enough scenes of them bashing Bo and Steve before and suddenly Kay and Hope never even see each other....we never saw Kay spending time with her Mom. So I let it go and stopped. I wanted so much to cheer on Ciara but when the writing had her pushing Rope three seconds after Bo was buried I knew I could not take it, so why constantly bring others down.

But this is awful. Dena's stories were/are a mess. As short as it was I did enjoy Bo's return, cried my eyes out over his death and I am thankful for the closure. As much as I miss Bo, I was not that upset that Peter opted to leave a) cause his reasons made sense to me b) because I have not trusted KC's writer choices for a long time.

I wished better for those of you whose favorites remain but for me, having Bo die the hero's death is so much better than another round of trashing by incompetent writing.
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You know how you get older, and if you're lucky, you start to see the wisdom behind your parents' choices that you didn't understand before? That's how I'm feeling about Peter Reckell today.
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Feb 19 2016, 07:52 PM
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No, I'm not missing the point. The point here is that most of you are saying that Tamara is one of Higley's favourites. She may be but Higley isn't proving that to me as a fan of Tamara's by constantly putting her on this merry-go-round of repetitive writing that serves no other point than to make her the town pariah. I hate the writing Tamara has received on ALL the soaps she's been on, and I come back hoping things will be different but then it turns out like it has this time around. So I'm in the same boat as most of you who are saying your faves will be either written off completely, or backburnered.
Higgle can't write anything but crap for anyone no matter if she likes them or not. Tamara is no different than any other actor/character in that respect. So, Higley isn't going to prove that someone's a favorite by writing them well. She proves they're a favorite of her's by bringing them back in the first place. No other writer, to my knowledge, has brought TB to Days besides Dena. That's the point. Not sure why that is so difficult to understand in this case. :shrug:

EDIT: It auto corrected to "Higgle." I would change it, but "Higgle" tickles me so much I'm going to leave it. :blulaugh:
So that's where you're wrong about how Tamara came to this show. It was initially Ed Scott who brought her to the show. Higley happened to be the writer then. As to who did it this time, if it was Higley then I'd agree. And I'm no dolt, thank you. And who cares who brought her back. Any character is game to be brought back. I may not like it, but I'm not about to sit on a message board and imply that because he/she is a writer's favourite means that's the only reason to bring them back. Higley was writing for Days back in 2011, don't you think she'd have brought Tamara back as Ava then? Higley did Tamara no favours each and every time. But that doesn't mean Tamara's a favourite. Just means Higley wanted to write for Ava. But for anyone to overreach and say that Higley has plans to make Tamara a leading lady is plainly ridiculous. That's all I was saying when I replied to Hugo's post.
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Higgle can't write anything but crap for anyone no matter if she likes them or not. Tamara is no different than any other actor/character in that respect. So, Higley isn't going to prove that someone's a favorite by writing them well. She proves they're a favorite of her's by bringing them back in the first place. No other writer, to my knowledge, has brought TB to Days besides Dena. That's the point. Not sure why that is so difficult to understand in this case. :shrug:

EDIT: It auto corrected to "Higgle." I would change it, but "Higgle" tickles me so much I'm going to leave it. :blulaugh:
So that's where you're wrong about how Tamara came to this show. It was initially Ed Scott who brought her to the show. Higley happened to be the writer then. As to who did it this time, if it was Higley then I'd agree. And I'm no dolt, thank you. And who cares who brought her back. Any character is game to be brought back. I may not like it, but I'm not about to sit on a message board and imply that because he/she is a writer's favourite means that's the only reason to bring them back. Higley was writing for Days back in 2011, don't you think she'd have brought Tamara back as Ava then? Higley did Tamara no favours each and every time. But that doesn't mean Tamara's a favourite. Just means Higley wanted to write for Ava. But for anyone to overreach and say that Higley has plans to make Tamara a leading lady is plainly ridiculous. That's all I was saying when I replied to Hugo's post.
Writers have influence on what characters are created and who gets cast. Josh Griffith basically decided that JPL was going to be the recast for a Philip; he said that in an interview. I'm not sure why the same can't be true for Dena wanting Tamara. She's the common denominator in all of TB's Days stints.

IMO, a favorite is a character/actor that a writer writes for consistently. TB played not one, but two characters on the same show while Dena was writing. To me, that says that Dena likes writing for TB.

And that's all the more I'm going to say on this topic. :)
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Feb 19 2016, 07:16 PM
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Feb 19 2016, 06:51 PM
In trying to find a little spark of optimism in this dark crap hole last night, all I could find was the glimmer of hope that Higley is still on LOA. In which case, she'd still officially be the head writer that's left with Griffith leaving, but not actually, physically, going back to work. Ryan Quan is Beth Milstein ala summer 2006 (interim), while they are scrambling trying to secure or find a new head writer.

And that's my message of hope.
Yeah, there is that slim possibility. But I mean, if Dena's not coming back, why not announce her exit already? I assume her contract was as long as Griffith's, so if it was a year contract, they could just release her at this point.

The fact that they never officially confirmed Dena's LOA or Beth joining is interesting, though.

God, I hope you're somehow right.

Another name I saw thrown out there today as a possible replacement is Sri Rao. He wrote for GH: Night Shift, a GH spinoff from the 2000s. I didn't watch, but a lot of people seemed to like it. And according to a tweet from January, he'd still be interesting in head writing GH if given the opportunity. He's also Indian American, if I'm not mistaken. An Indian and Asian American heading a soap? Damn. Call him up, Days!

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Just to respond to the bold part, there may be a strong legal reason for not announcing anything. If Higley took her leave due to medical issues for herself or a family member, she is subject to laws preventing an employer from retaliating against an employee for taking such a leave. Even if that is not Days' actual reason for terminating her contract (or declining to renew it), TPTB may have to be very careful about how they address Dena's future with the show.
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From what I've heard, Sheri's issue isn't money at all... it's the lack of freedom in getting to tell stories (which is what a headwriter is hired to do, tell stories.) Which is what troubled Sheffer his entire run. And IMO, probably what made Griffith walk or got him released from his contract.
With the tape to air schedule as it is, Sheri would've benefited because NBC had no control, unless it was Corday and/or Sony being restrictive.
I've seen comments from Sheri that have not only indicated that she would feel constrained by the network, but also that she didn't think she could work with the budget constraints that the current writers have.
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Feb 19 2016, 07:43 PM
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Feb 19 2016, 07:27 PM
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Feb 19 2016, 07:21 PM

So what if Higley adores Tamara. I adore Tamara, but I don't want her sticking around a sinking boat or having to be made a mockery by a writer who clearly has no direction for her. And clearly I'm not a fan of Higley's ability to write for Tamara. This is what happened on GH when Charles Pratt and Bob Guza kept having her Carly as a retainer for Sonny and not going full steam ahead with the more favoured pairing for Carly with Lorenzo. Then Tamara left GH in 2005. She came to DOOL back in Feb 2008 with what I thought was going to be a killer story and being able to be paired with another of my favourite actors on daytime in Stephen Nichols. Half way through that story though, suddenly she was being flung into John and Marlena's story without reason. Then she goes to AMC where she's going to be paired with an iconic daytime character in Bianca, none other than the daughter of Erica Kane. So then this idea of this groundbreaking story with the first gay wedding on daytime television, comes, and what does Charles Pratt do? Has Reese kissing the husband of her wife-to-be's sister. So that automatically made her persona non grata on that show because of the shoddy writing. So come 2011, it's announced Tamara is coming back to Days, but not as Ava (her Emmy Award Winning Role) but as a recast Taylor, a character who wasn't well liked because of Natalia Livingston and the "scarfmance" stupidity, but also because of the Ejami and Ejole fans who were hitting the roof because she was an interloper. So once again Tamara is written off (September 2011). Then last July it's announced Tamara is coming back as Ava. Well talk about having hope that finally she would be getting the writing worthy of her. Nope! If any of what we're seeing is anything Higley has written, or the indicator of where she plans on going with Ava should Tamara sign long-term.... As a dedicated Tamara Braun fan, I don't want it and won't watch. So even if as you say Higley adores Tamara, her writing sure hasn't proven that one bit.

As to the second point, tell me where has Ava been "killed off"? She wasn't killed off the last time, and I doubt she will be IF Higley as as fond her as you say. But again, this card carrying Tamara Braun fan has nothing to be happy about considering the crap they've given her so far.


I think you're missing the point. Higley is a terrible writer. She doesn't write well for the people she likes. She seems to like Tamara. No one is claiming that Tamara has gotten good writing. She's gotten Dena writing. Which is what some of us don't want.
No, I'm not missing the point. The point here is that most of you are saying that Tamara is one of Higley's favourites. She may be but Higley isn't proving that to me as a fan of Tamara's by constantly putting her on this merry-go-round of repetitive writing that serves no other point than to make her the town pariah. I hate the writing Tamara has received on ALL the soaps she's been on, and I come back hoping things will be different but then it turns out like it has this time around. So I'm in the same boat as most of you who are saying your faves will be either written off completely, or backburnered.
Tamara knew going in that this was a limited run, thats what this contract was for, and she knew what this character was about from the get go...So if you want to blame someone for this outcome, there you go?

Dena Higley is a shitty writer but every time she brings TB on she makes TB's character the center of the storyline she is in. The writing sucks- we all agree on that.

This writer thinks of Hope as a favorite and Rafe- look what she's done to those characters. She is a terrible terrible writer. But ya. I agree that TB is a favorite and so is Ava.
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Just an FYI, Ryan Quan's FB profile says he's in a relationship with Neil Hultgren.
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Feb 19 2016, 08:39 PM
Just an FYI, Ryan Quan's FB profile says he's in a relationship with Neil Hultgren.
Is Neil with the show? I guess I'm not sure why Ryan's relationship status is relevant? Lots of people in front of and behind the camera at soaps are gay. :shrug:
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Just an FYI, Ryan Quan's FB profile says he's in a relationship with Neil Hultgren.
And Neil Hultgren was the name of the character that outed Will. Guess we know who did the breakdown or writing for that story line.
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Feb 19 2016, 07:43 PM

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Higgle can't write anything but crap for anyone no matter if she likes them or not. Tamara is no different than any other actor/character in that respect. So, Higley isn't going to prove that someone's a favorite by writing them well. She proves they're a favorite of her's by bringing them back in the first place. No other writer, to my knowledge, has brought TB to Days besides Dena. That's the point. Not sure why that is so difficult to understand in this case. :shrug:

EDIT: It auto corrected to "Higgle." I would change it, but "Higgle" tickles me so much I'm going to leave it. :blulaugh:
So that's where you're wrong about how Tamara came to this show. It was initially Ed Scott who brought her to the show. Higley happened to be the writer then. As to who did it this time, if it was Higley then I'd agree. And I'm no dolt, thank you. And who cares who brought her back. Any character is game to be brought back. I may not like it, but I'm not about to sit on a message board and imply that because he/she is a writer's favourite means that's the only reason to bring them back. Higley was writing for Days back in 2011, don't you think she'd have brought Tamara back as Ava then? Higley did Tamara no favours each and every time. But that doesn't mean Tamara's a favourite. Just means Higley wanted to write for Ava. But for anyone to overreach and say that Higley has plans to make Tamara a leading lady is plainly ridiculous. That's all I was saying when I replied to Hugo's post.
You're going to need to sense hyperbole.
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Feb 19 2016, 08:39 PM
Just an FYI, Ryan Quan's FB profile says he's in a relationship with Neil Hultgren.

Neil's twitter account
https://twitter.com/lbrex

Twitter profile of Neil:
Associate professor of Victorian literature.
Just published: "Melodramatic Imperial Writing"
http://www.ohioswallow.com/book/Melodramatic+Imperial+Writing
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