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Topic Started: Feb 18 2016, 06:01 PM (63,269 Views)
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Feb 19 2016, 11:40 PM
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The possibility of Will being resurrected and Wilson being written by an LGBT writer is kind of exciting. WilSon I hope and not Wilson.
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Feb 19 2016, 11:54 PM
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What a clusterfuck this show is. Can you imagine working there? I would dread going in every day! Hell I'm starting to dread watching it every day!
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Feb 19 2016, 11:55 PM
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- Feb 19 2016, 07:21 PM
So what if Higley adores Tamara. I adore Tamara, but I don't want her sticking around a sinking boat or having to be made a mockery by a writer who clearly has no direction for her. And clearly I'm not a fan of Higley's ability to write for Tamara. This is what happened on GH when Charles Pratt and Bob Guza kept having her Carly as a retainer for Sonny and not going full steam ahead with the more favoured pairing for Carly with Lorenzo. Then Tamara left GH in 2005. She came to DOOL back in Feb 2008 with what I thought was going to be a killer story and being able to be paired with another of my favourite actors on daytime in Stephen Nichols. Half way through that story though, suddenly she was being flung into John and Marlena's story without reason. Then she goes to AMC where she's going to be paired with an iconic daytime character in Bianca, none other than the daughter of Erica Kane. So then this idea of this groundbreaking story with the first gay wedding on daytime television, comes, and what does Charles Pratt do? Has Reese kissing the husband of her wife-to-be's sister. So that automatically made her persona non grata on that show because of the shoddy writing. So come 2011, it's announced Tamara is coming back to Days, but not as Ava (her Emmy Award Winning Role) but as a recast Taylor, a character who wasn't well liked because of Natalia Livingston and the "scarfmance" stupidity, but also because of the Ejami and Ejole fans who were hitting the roof because she was an interloper. So once again Tamara is written off (September 2011). Then last July it's announced Tamara is coming back as Ava. Well talk about having hope that finally she would be getting the writing worthy of her. Nope! If any of what we're seeing is anything Higley has written, or the indicator of where she plans on going with Ava should Tamara sign long-term.... As a dedicated Tamara Braun fan, I don't want it and won't watch. So even if as you say Higley adores Tamara, her writing sure hasn't proven that one bit.
As to the second point, tell me where has Ava been "killed off"? She wasn't killed off the last time, and I doubt she will be IF Higley as as fond her as you say. But again, this card carrying Tamara Braun fan has nothing to be happy about considering the crap they've given her so far.
I think you're missing the point. Higley is a terrible writer. She doesn't write well for the people she likes. She seems to like Tamara. No one is claiming that Tamara has gotten good writing. She's gotten Dena writing. Which is what some of us don't want.
No, I'm not missing the point. The point here is that most of you are saying that Tamara is one of Higley's favourites. She may be but Higley isn't proving that to me as a fan of Tamara's by constantly putting her on this merry-go-round of repetitive writing that serves no other point than to make her the town pariah. I hate the writing Tamara has received on ALL the soaps she's been on, and I come back hoping things will be different but then it turns out like it has this time around. So I'm in the same boat as most of you who are saying your faves will be either written off completely, or backburnered. I think that the fact that Tamara even came back as Ava to begin with when the writers switched says a lot about how she must be a favorite to someones somewhere, especially when you consider the fact that Ava returning was NOT needed at all. :shrug:
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Feb 20 2016, 12:07 AM
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The possibility of Will being resurrected and Wilson being written by an LGBT writer is kind of exciting.
WilSon I hope and not Wilson.
LMAO!!!
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Feb 20 2016, 12:57 AM
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Woohoo! He brought a lot of good stuff to the show (or his regime did), but the show is pretty terrible right now and showing no signs of improving so I am glad some changes are being made. Only thing is that this stuff the past couple of months hasn't been Josh's stuff ( except maybe in small spots and only starting to show within the last week or so); it has been truly and totally Higley based on her previous runs and what we know as her style. Wrong change has been totally made by TIIC.
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Feb 20 2016, 01:12 AM
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Woohoo! He brought a lot of good stuff to the show (or his regime did), but the show is pretty terrible right now and showing no signs of improving so I am glad some changes are being made.
Only thing is that this stuff the past couple of months hasn't been Josh's stuff ( except maybe in small spots and only starting to show within the last week or so); it has been truly and totally Higley based on her previous runs and what we know as her style. Wrong change has been totally made by TIIC. They never said Josh took a LOA, I think he's partially to blame for what aired recently, whether fans here want to recognize it or not. Where was he when Dena wrote all that crap?
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Feb 20 2016, 01:21 AM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepIF
No, I'm not missing the point. The point here is that most of you are saying that Tamara is one of Higley's favourites. She may be but Higley isn't proving that to me as a fan of Tamara's by constantly putting her on this merry-go-round of repetitive writing that serves no other point than to make her the town pariah. I hate the writing Tamara has received on ALL the soaps she's been on, and I come back hoping things will be different but then it turns out like it has this time around. So I'm in the same boat as most of you who are saying your faves will be either written off completely, or backburnered.
I think that the fact that Tamara even came back as Ava to begin with when the writers switched says a lot about how she must be a favorite to someones somewhere, especially when you consider the fact that Ava returning was NOT needed at all. :shrug: . Dena writes for her favorites and anyone who gives her grief or otherwise gets pushed around (writers/crew etc) or backburnered ( actors). She can't be trusted with the helm of this show and cause with the filming in the can and the only 1 year set in stone; the likely ratings drop and bomb and her solo ideas would be happening right when they'll be looking to see if they want to use the option. Unless they are holding on to her cause of the LOA stuff to cover contracts etc; then the TPTB/TIIC need to know we don't want Dena staying and new blood needs to take the chair, even if it means letting this new guy promoted up to try his hand and be allowed to do things without Dena being there. I can't see him getting the chance if Dena stays.
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Feb 20 2016, 01:22 AM
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I meant that "Stayla are gone."
I think that's speculation by fans. MBE and SN don't come "cheap," and Dena's writing for them is pretty questionable. So, if she's back and the budget's slashed, they may get cut. Ok. I just wondered if Stephen/Mary Beth were actually let go, or if this was speculation.
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Feb 20 2016, 01:24 AM
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Woohoo! He brought a lot of good stuff to the show (or his regime did), but the show is pretty terrible right now and showing no signs of improving so I am glad some changes are being made.
Only thing is that this stuff the past couple of months hasn't been Josh's stuff ( except maybe in small spots and only starting to show within the last week or so); it has been truly and totally Higley based on her previous runs and what we know as her style. Wrong change has been totally made by TIIC.
They never said Josh took a LOA, I think he's partially to blame for what aired recently, whether fans here want to recognize it or not. Where was he when Dena wrote all that crap? I'm sure he didn't either; but I'm sure Dena pitched a hissy fit to Corday ( who relented) to have majority control this winter, cause she didn't do or get much say during the run to the 50th. I'm not giving him a total free pass but the majority of the crud we've seen on the screen this winter is Higley's fingerprint based on previous runs styles.
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Feb 20 2016, 02:25 AM
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..... if Dena's not coming back, why not announce her exit already? I assume her contract was as long as Griffith's, so if it was a year contract, they could just release her at this point....
Broken contracts can lead to litigation, which can lead to huge huge huge expenses. Expenses that would make Corday, Sony and NBC extremely unhappy. Unnecessary expenses will doom the show. That's all we need, some judge awarding DHig $10M if KennyBoy fails to meet the terms of the agreement. Only the attorneys involved know specifically what is in the contract. It's very possible that there is a waiver/citation of some type that "voids" the time spent away from the job ( sorta like how you don't accrue "company benefits" when you are on Maternity/Paternity/Medical leave or take an unpaid sabattical.) That may have even been part of the LOA arangement. DHig takes time off unexpectedly, and her contract is automatically extended to match the original length. Of course, that meant she wasn't likely paid during a LOA, which is how it would be with independent contractors I have no clue how much headwriters make (300K? 500k? 75K?), but I also think that could be part of the reason she's still officially around. Maybe she is "affordable", sorta like the new designated co-head. Anyway, her agenda won't be on our screens until after the Olympics. I have a feeling the unspoken part of this story is that the stories that JG crafted and taped are dreadful and we may be begging for a change by July.......
Dena Higley is around because she worked with Days before and knows some history here and there! She was a staff writer back in 1985! That's why Ken Corday kept her! If James E. Reilly was still around, Ken would asked him back before Dena!
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Feb 20 2016, 02:30 AM
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The upcoming spoilers for the end of Feb sound amazing and we have so much still to look forward to- Abby's exit, Jack's return.. Watch the ratings go up big time and Corday feel so stupid for this mistake.
I wonder if Corday gave Josh 13 weeks Sept- Nov and Dena 13 weeks- Dec- Feb to see who could get higher ratings. And he picked Dena- because she got the highest ratings with the car crash (which was just luck with the holiday bump). Material was horrible. Brady and Eric needing Daniel's heart was awful.
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Feb 20 2016, 02:36 AM
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^ Matt Ashford had 5 days on the set on Days! I wonder if Days is hiding the fact that Matt is coming back for good or his character is a ghost....about Kate Mansi's exit, it will be loss for the CHABBY fans! Sure Days wants to continue CHABBY and so do I....but the hype of CHABBY will go down the drain with the new actress if she does not pull it together. CHABBY is made by Billy and Kate....a new actress, is mind blowing to me!
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Feb 20 2016, 02:47 AM
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I really hope Dena is gone soon!
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Feb 20 2016, 03:22 AM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepHowever, Josh was also allegedly fired from Y&R for creative differences and/or inability to work with the EP. So, maybe Higley wasn't the only reason he left/got fired. Maybe he had issues with someone else?
I know I'm grasping at straws here, but this whole situation is just so strange, and I want to be proven wrong on this whole thing about Dena.
I think the thing we can hold onto is that from all reports Higley hasn't even been back in the door yet. So while it's possible this was her return and pushed him out, maybe they weren't happy with either of them. So they let him go if it was that bad and figured they'd hang onto her until that can find someone. I mean someone has to be at least pretending to write until they get someone
Maybe that's part of the reason they "stopped" writing? Because they fired Josh and Dena was still on LOA? I mean, even though I wish they weren't so far ahead, it is still strange to me that they'd go on hiatus right now unless there's something else going on. Trying to put in a new writing team (sans Dena) would make some sense. Sigh. Yep, yep. The seven stages of grief. :blulaugh: JG from Daytime Confidential posted that NBC wanted to shorten the show's tape-to-air gap. And it was a part of renewal negotiations. So this might be the reason they are doing it now.
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Feb 20 2016, 03:34 AM
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The idea of a young, gay, Asian writer is really interesting to me. Having him anywhere near Higley frightens me.
If she really hasn't been back from LOA, they could potentially be looking for an experienced head writer to pair him with. So they're letting her return from LOA (where it's nearly impossible to fire someone from) and they'll replace her in the next few months once they have someone.
It could also tie into the extended break.
Gosh, now you're giving me more hope about this LOA thing. Ack. I cannot get my hopes up. LOL. I mean, my gut says Higley's back and Josh got pushed out. Josh really seemed to like writing for Days, so I'm not sure why he'd just leave on his own. However, Josh was also allegedly fired from Y&R for creative differences and/or inability to work with the EP. So, maybe Higley wasn't the only reason he left/got fired. Maybe he had issues with someone else? I know I'm grasping at straws here, but this whole situation is just so strange, and I want to be proven wrong on this whole thing about Dena.
I think the thing we can hold onto is that from all reports Higley hasn't even been back in the door yet. So while it's possible this was her return and pushed him out, maybe they weren't happy with either of them. So they let him go if it was that bad and figured they'd hang onto her until that can find someone. I mean someone has to be at least pretending to write until they get someone Or maybe it was too stressful for him to continue. Or maybe they pay not good enough. Or maybe they slashed the show's budget once again and he didn't want to write a cheap show (I think Corday productions invested a little by more during the 50th, and that's why the show looked better). Or maybe he got a better offer.
I don't think it has anything to do with them being unhappy with JG. Unless they were unhappy with the money spent but this would be a problem for producers not HW.
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Feb 20 2016, 03:43 AM
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I mean, my gut says Higley's back and Josh got pushed out. Josh really seemed to like writing for Days, so I'm not sure why he'd just leave on his own. However, Josh was also allegedly fired from Y&R for creative differences and/or inability to work with the EP. So, maybe Higley wasn't the only reason he left/got fired. Maybe he had issues with someone else?
I know I'm grasping at straws here, but this whole situation is just so strange, and I want to be proven wrong on this whole thing about Dena.
That EP was Jill Farren Phelps. So... that's nothing to make a judgment on, JFP's record speaks for itself. Josh wasn't the first or the last in that situation. Yeah, he left because of creative differences. I'm not sure if he was fired from Y&R though. His one-year contract ended and wasn't extended, I think.
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Feb 20 2016, 05:25 AM
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I think that the fact that Tamara even came back as Ava to begin with when the writers switched says a lot about how she must be a favorite to someones somewhere, especially when you consider the fact that Ava returning was NOT needed at all. :shrug:
Not needed by you and others who don't like the character. But needed by Tamara's fans who came back to the show to lend their support to her and added, however small or large, to the ratings. So I think in that regard you automatically negate the effect of her fanbase. Also you assume that just because she must be a favourite, she was brought back only due to that purpose. The point here is that Steve and Kayla despite their fanbase, would likely have been reduced to being nothing but as I call them "parental units" to Joey, and not driving their own story. The writing was on the wall once Steve got back from rescuing Bo.
I've seen it said on other boards that they could have helped Joey acclimate to being home. Fine, but that doesn't give Steve and Kayla their own agency. I've seen it said on other boards that they could have helped John find his parents. Fine, but that doesn't give Steve and Kayla their own agency outside of being helpers to John's story. I've seen it said on other boards that they could have helped Hope and Victor find the one who kidnapped Bo and held him prisoner for so long. Fine, but that doesn't give Steve and Kayla their own agency and only says they're only good on air to be helpers to the other characters who are actually driving their own stories. So what is the remedy for that? The remedy is bringing someone back from THEIR past to affect whatever variables will mark either an advancement in their story, or provide an impediment to them. So whether it was Ava or someone else, or someone new the point is whatever that was or would be, at least it's affording Steve and Kayla to drive their own story and not be helpers to others who are getting their own stories.
The above is all classic story telling 101. I'm a writer and I know that character A needs an action or incident to be set on their path in the story. Now if character A is supposed to be an A-Teir character, then he/she needs something to set him/her on his/her own way. In this case it was Ava. But the point is that, it has nothing whatsoever to do with Tamara or Ava, Ava was the one that was brought in to set them on their path. It's just those Steve and Kayla fans who are downright angry that Steve is now somehow tainted by what he had to do and the fact that Kayla was in the dark. So instead of being mad/angry/whatever at what happened, why not be grateful like I am that Steve and Kayla had a front burner storyline? I know I have been grateful for every day Tamara/Ava has been on.
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Feb 20 2016, 05:56 AM
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I think that the fact that Tamara even came back as Ava to begin with when the writers switched says a lot about how she must be a favorite to someones somewhere, especially when you consider the fact that Ava returning was NOT needed at all. :shrug:
Not needed by you and others who don't like the character. But needed by Tamara's fans who came back to the show to lend their support to her and added, however small or large, to the ratings. So I think in that regard you automatically negate the effect of her fanbase. Also you assume that just because she must be a favourite, she was brought back only due to that purpose. The point here is that Steve and Kayla despite their fanbase, would likely have been reduced to being nothing but as I call them "parental units" to Joey, and not driving their own story. The writing was on the wall once Steve got back from rescuing Bo. I've seen it said on other boards that they could have helped Joey acclimate to being home. Fine, but that doesn't give Steve and Kayla their own agency. I've seen it said on other boards that they could have helped John find his parents. Fine, but that doesn't give Steve and Kayla their own agency outside of being helpers to John's story. I've seen it said on other boards that they could have helped Hope and Victor find the one who kidnapped Bo and held him prisoner for so long. Fine, but that doesn't give Steve and Kayla their own agency and only says they're only good on air to be helpers to the other characters who are actually driving their own stories. So what is the remedy for that? The remedy is bringing someone back from THEIR past to affect whatever variables will mark either an advancement in their story, or provide an impediment to them. So whether it was Ava or someone else, or someone new the point is whatever that was or would be, at least it's affording Steve and Kayla to drive their own story and not be helpers to others who are getting their own stories. The above is all classic story telling 101. I'm a writer and I know that character A needs an action or incident to be set on their path in the story. Now if character A is supposed to be an A-Teir character, then he/she needs something to set him/her on his/her own way. In this case it was Ava. But the point is that, it has nothing whatsoever to do with Tamara or Ava, Ava was the one that was brought in to set them on their path. It's just those Steve and Kayla fans who are downright angry that Steve is now somehow tainted by what he had to do and the fact that Kayla was in the dark. So instead of being mad/angry/whatever at what happened, why not be grateful like I am that Steve and Kayla had a front burner storyline? I know I have been grateful for every day Tamara/Ava has been on. All I know is is that I was enjoying Steve/Kayla before she came back. I'm not angry at anything. I'm not even a big S&K fan. I just don't like Ava and never wanted to see her return and I feel like her return was absolutely unnecessary.
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Ava, as written, is a plot device. She's a character with no redeeming character traits, whose actions fail to endear her to the audience. I'm not just talking about Steve and Kayla fans, either. Negative reaction to Ava is, for the most part, audience wide. Sure, there are Tamara fans who adore her, and small pockets of Ava fans here and there, but there are a lot of people in the audience who just despise her and want her gone.
It's not Tamara's fault. But...how would the audience in general begin to love a character that's so self-serving? Who lies? Manipulates a kid? Forces a man to sleep with her to save his fiancé? Tapes that happening without his knowledge or permission, sending it to said fiancé? Some villains we love. But Ava hasn't been given reasons that make many agree with her actions.
Ava is a predator. It's plain to see. So instead of looking forward to her return, many dreaded it, and given what's happened, I guess their reactions were on the money.
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- Lovejm
- Feb 19 2016, 07:50 PM
- The Room Stops
- Feb 19 2016, 06:51 PM
In trying to find a little spark of optimism in this dark crap hole last night, all I could find was the glimmer of hope that Higley is still on LOA. In which case, she'd still officially be the head writer that's left with Griffith leaving, but not actually, physically, going back to work. Ryan Quan is Beth Milstein ala summer 2006 (interim), while they are scrambling trying to secure or find a new head writer.
And that's my message of hope.
I actually think that's entirely possible. That's literally all I'm able to cling to right now. :pray:
Oh, by the way - that e-mail I sent to doolcomments@dool.net was bounced back as undeliverable. :shrug:
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