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Griffith OUT!
Topic Started: Feb 18 2016, 06:01 PM (63,258 Views)
Dee-anne


I want to see what Dena can do without the influences of Whitesell, and Tomlin. As far as I am concerned they were hired back when Dena remained fired and, I thought they were awful. The show wasn't better without Dena, but some were so happy when she was not re-hired. Since Josh and Dena has taken over, I have been mostly bored with the show, but at least I haven't been cringing whilst watching it, and that was what I was doing a lot, under Tomsell. Personally, I am not sorry Josh is gone, simply because nothing has really inspired me to tune in. I don't like any of the stories, and I cant blame Dena entirely for it being so boring. I am sure Josh's name was also in the credits at the end of each show, after-all they were both hired as the HWs.
I don't want her to go, I want to see what she and the new guy can do. No way can they be worst than Tomsell.
Edited by Dee-anne, Feb 23 2016, 09:54 AM.
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I want Dena gone, but I'm not sorry to see Josh go. I'd like someone new.
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Dee-anne
Feb 23 2016, 09:53 AM
I want to see what Dena can do without the influences of Whitesell, and Tomlin. As far as I am concerned they were hired back when Dena remained fired and, I thought they were awful. The show wasn't better without Dena, but some were so happy when she was not re-hired. Since Josh and Dena has taken over, I have been mostly bored with the show, but at least I haven't been cringing whilst watching it, and that was what I was doing a lot, under Tomsell. Personally, I am not sorry Josh is gone, simply because nothing has really inspired me to tune in. I don't like any of the stories, and I cant blame Dena entirely for it being so boring. I am sure Josh's name was also in the credits at the end of each show, after-all they were both hired as the HWs.
I don't want her to go, I want to see what she and the new guy can do. No way can they be worst than Tomsell.
I don't really think we've gotten the full scope of a Josh story thus far so I don't know how I feel about him being gone but I do know that Dena with and without Tomsell wrote Steve sleeps with Ava to save Kayla (once to the brink and once over it). I know that both with and without she wrote Hope decides to go vigilante and enact punishment on people outside of the law (nighttime Hope and killing an unarmed wheelchair bound Stefano and framing Andre). Before we had brainwashed John 2015 gave us brainwashed Chad.

SO, as far as I'm concerned I know who Dena Higley is and what Dena Higley writes. I've seen it before. Now I've seen it again. I don't need to see it a third time.
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I'm hoping that they just have to keep Dena for a short period to fulfill her 1 year contract. Maybe her LOA, prevented them from being able to fire her at the 1 year point...Wishful thinking right?
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SoapsandDaysfan


I feel like no matter who the writer is, there will always be some who don't like them. I mean, people hated Higley before. People hated MarDar. People hated TomSell. Some people hate Griffley, except for maybe a few months. So in the grand scheme of things, I'm not sure there is a writer out there that can really please everyone.
Edited by SoapsandDaysfan, Feb 23 2016, 05:17 PM.
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Feb 23 2016, 05:17 PM
I feel like no matter who the writer is, there will always be some who don't like them. I mean, people hated Higley before. People hated MarDar. People hated TomSell. Some people hate Griffley, except for maybe a few months. So in the grand scheme of things, I'm not sure there is a writer out there that can really please everyone.
I'm entirely positive there's not. There's still no good excuse for bringing Higley back.
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As many of us suspected, Josh Griffith chose to leave because he couldn't work with Dena anymore. I know a lot of people complained that his writing is too dark...but for me, I'll take his writing anytime over Dena's rehashed, ridiculous plotlines.
If you compare November sweeps ratings(which was mostly Josh's work) versus the first 2 weeks of February ratings(which was mostly Dena's work)...the numbers speak for themselves. How can anyone, in their right mind, ignore these numbers?
The biggest problem with DAYS, is Ken Corday. He is his own worst enemy. It is his show, he owns it and if Sony or NBC want certain changes made, they still have to go through him. His biggest flaw, is his misguided loyalty to certain people. Loyalty is a wonderful quality in itself, BUT it has no place in business decisions. The top priority of any EP should ALWAYS be: what is best for the show.
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lysie
Feb 23 2016, 05:19 PM
SoapsandDaysfan
Feb 23 2016, 05:17 PM
I feel like no matter who the writer is, there will always be some who don't like them. I mean, people hated Higley before. People hated MarDar. People hated TomSell. Some people hate Griffley, except for maybe a few months. So in the grand scheme of things, I'm not sure there is a writer out there that can really please everyone.
I'm entirely positive there's not. There's still no good excuse for bringing Higley back.
Maybe not. But she's been back for a year. It's not a new thing.
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SoapsandDaysfan
Feb 23 2016, 05:26 PM
lysie
Feb 23 2016, 05:19 PM
SoapsandDaysfan
Feb 23 2016, 05:17 PM
I feel like no matter who the writer is, there will always be some who don't like them. I mean, people hated Higley before. People hated MarDar. People hated TomSell. Some people hate Griffley, except for maybe a few months. So in the grand scheme of things, I'm not sure there is a writer out there that can really please everyone.
I'm entirely positive there's not. There's still no good excuse for bringing Higley back.
Maybe not. But she's been back for a year. It's not a new thing.
Except that she was kept in check for the first three months, sucked up the entire show the next three months, and then was on a leave of absence for the last six months.

So, yes, it is a new thing.
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Feb 23 2016, 05:17 PM
I feel like no matter who the writer is, there will always be some who don't like them. I mean, people hated Higley before. People hated MarDar. People hated TomSell. Some people hate Griffley, except for maybe a few months. So in the grand scheme of things, I'm not sure there is a writer out there that can really please everyone.
While I agree that there will be flaws to every writer, I don't see that as justification for rehiring the same ones that Corday/Sony/NBC know are bad. Plus, Higley has had a number of BTS drama incidents with cast members and the like too. If you have to fire someone once because of very low ratings and fan demands, there's no excuse to rehire them. I'd rather they try an entirely new writer as a risk than make blatant mistakes again and again.

A year ago, I was unhappy she was back, but at least she had a strong counterpart with head writing experience. After seeing the stuff that lead to her leave of absence, I remember how much I dislike her work. I'm optimistic about Ryan Quan, but worry that he'll be completely overrode in decision-making and essentially become Dena's assistant head writer.

At this point, Days is running on borrowed time. I don't want a hack like Dena Higley to write the conclusion of this show.
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Feb 23 2016, 05:17 PM
I feel like no matter who the writer is, there will always be some who don't like them. I mean, people hated Higley before. People hated MarDar. People hated TomSell. Some people hate Griffley, except for maybe a few months. So in the grand scheme of things, I'm not sure there is a writer out there that can really please everyone.


I agree with some people, they will hate the head writers because of the storylines. I do want to mention though, most did not hate Marlene and Darrell. Apparently though, Days cut them short. They were the ones to get things excited again.
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Laur
Feb 23 2016, 06:08 PM
SoapsandDaysfan
Feb 23 2016, 05:17 PM
I feel like no matter who the writer is, there will always be some who don't like them. I mean, people hated Higley before. People hated MarDar. People hated TomSell. Some people hate Griffley, except for maybe a few months. So in the grand scheme of things, I'm not sure there is a writer out there that can really please everyone.
While I agree that there will be flaws to every writer, I don't see that as justification for rehiring the same ones that Corday/Sony/NBC know are bad. Plus, Higley has had a number of BTS drama incidents with cast members and the like too. If you have to fire someone once because of very low ratings and fan demands, there's no excuse to rehire them. I'd rather they try an entirely new writer as a risk than make blatant mistakes again and again.

A year ago, I was unhappy she was back, but at least she had a strong counterpart with head writing experience. After seeing the stuff that lead to her leave of absence, I remember how much I dislike her work. I'm optimistic about Ryan Quan, but worry that he'll be completely overrode in decision-making and essentially become Dena's assistant head writer.

At this point, Days is running on borrowed time. I don't want a hack like Dena Higley to write the conclusion of this show.
I think this is a good point. I"m not sure that Days has another head writer with nearly as much BTS drama as her. There have been things here and there with others, but nothing like what she brings. She brings nothing positive to Days' perception.
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I still can't believe this show and Corday has taken Higley over Griffith. It's hard to continue to support a show when they refuse to do what is best for the show's future.
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tiff5555
Feb 23 2016, 06:15 PM
SoapsandDaysfan
Feb 23 2016, 05:17 PM
I feel like no matter who the writer is, there will always be some who don't like them. I mean, people hated Higley before. People hated MarDar. People hated TomSell. Some people hate Griffley, except for maybe a few months. So in the grand scheme of things, I'm not sure there is a writer out there that can really please everyone.


I agree with some people, they will hate the head writers because of the storylines. I do want to mention though, most did not hate Marlene and Darrell. Apparently though, Days cut them short. They were the ones to get things excited again.
MarDar's ratings almost got the show cancelled.

No writer(s) can please everyone. As imperfect as Nielsen ratings are, they are the only more or less objective way to see how many people watch the show. Complaints don't matter, numbers matter.
What happened when Pratt started at Y&R? Viewers were complaining a lot on social media etc but their ratings were soaring (still are), so Pratt is still there and CBS is happy.

Griffley's ratings are decent so far, so it's actually sad to see JG go because the drop in numbers may mean cancellation.
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Days could've hired from within and used Lorraine Broderick as HW and even brought back Beth Milstein full time and put them together.

Lorraine is well respected and very talented. She could've filled in easily. She also has 6 Daytime Emmys for writing (5 with AMC and 1 with GL) She came back to AMC and worked wonders after Pratt destroyed the show right before cancellation. To me anyway, it seemed like an easy fit.

As for Josh, He posted a tweet on his Twitter acct before he diactivated back in January where he said "Sometimes you have to know when to fold." He decided to quit then b/c he couldn't work with Hack Higley. It only makes sense
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lysie
Feb 23 2016, 06:16 PM
Laur
Feb 23 2016, 06:08 PM
SoapsandDaysfan
Feb 23 2016, 05:17 PM
I feel like no matter who the writer is, there will always be some who don't like them. I mean, people hated Higley before. People hated MarDar. People hated TomSell. Some people hate Griffley, except for maybe a few months. So in the grand scheme of things, I'm not sure there is a writer out there that can really please everyone.
While I agree that there will be flaws to every writer, I don't see that as justification for rehiring the same ones that Corday/Sony/NBC know are bad. Plus, Higley has had a number of BTS drama incidents with cast members and the like too. If you have to fire someone once because of very low ratings and fan demands, there's no excuse to rehire them. I'd rather they try an entirely new writer as a risk than make blatant mistakes again and again.

A year ago, I was unhappy she was back, but at least she had a strong counterpart with head writing experience. After seeing the stuff that lead to her leave of absence, I remember how much I dislike her work. I'm optimistic about Ryan Quan, but worry that he'll be completely overrode in decision-making and essentially become Dena's assistant head writer.

At this point, Days is running on borrowed time. I don't want a hack like Dena Higley to write the conclusion of this show.
I think this is a good point. I"m not sure that Days has another head writer with nearly as much BTS drama as her. There have been things here and there with others, but nothing like what she brings. She brings nothing positive to Days' perception.
Which makes it all the more mind blowing that they keep her.

This is just weird though. I just can't see Corday managing to keep her on much longer. He shouldn't be able to keep her on at all. I just can't see any way he can justify it to Sony, NBC, or even the cast and crew. It's obvious he is the only one supporting her. Her track record speaks for itself. At least when he jettisoned Hogan and his team in 2008 he could use the whole "Dena never got a chance" excuse because she only had about 6 months of material during her first stint in 2003 and, outside of that, only had the OLTL HW stint to go off of. Now, what excuse can he use? It may have been a power struggle with Tomsell from 2009-2011 but there was still enough issues during the periods where Higley was on her own to provide a sample size where you know what she is going to do (or not do). Then, you have that period in 2008 when she was on her own and her periods this run where she has been on her own which seemingly resulted in a LOA. How can Corday himself even justify it, no matter how much he likes her?

I really want to buy the theory that Dena is only still there until her contract is fulfilled. Maybe she will even remain on leave or working from home until it's over. Who knows. I want to believe it because at least then this makes some sense. But Josh quitting because of her flies in the face of that because why would he quit if he knew she was only staying on temporarily? He could just gut it out until she is gone. The fact he quit because of her pretty much says that he heard she was returning and he threw in the towel.

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Feb 23 2016, 06:53 PM
Days could've hired from within and used Lorraine Broderick as HW and even brought back Beth Milstein full time and put them together.

Lorraine is well respected and very talented. She could've filled in easily. She also has 6 Daytime Emmys for writing (5 with AMC and 1 with GL) She came back to AMC and worked wonders after Pratt destroyed the show right before cancellation. To me anyway, it seemed like an easy fit.

As for Josh, He posted a tweet on his Twitter acct before he diactivated back in January where he said "Sometimes you have to know when to fold." He decided to quit then b/c he couldn't work with Hack Higley. It only makes sense
If if it's the same tweet I saw on his @darkstreetsofla account that I was looking at today, that tweet was from January of last year, before his hiring at Days was even announced.

I don't know if I just imagined this or if it was just someone's speculation, but I thought I read somewhere that LB didn't want to be a head writer again.
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cord08
Feb 23 2016, 07:06 PM
DaveB81
Feb 23 2016, 06:53 PM
Days could've hired from within and used Lorraine Broderick as HW and even brought back Beth Milstein full time and put them together.

Lorraine is well respected and very talented. She could've filled in easily. She also has 6 Daytime Emmys for writing (5 with AMC and 1 with GL) She came back to AMC and worked wonders after Pratt destroyed the show right before cancellation. To me anyway, it seemed like an easy fit.

As for Josh, He posted a tweet on his Twitter acct before he diactivated back in January where he said "Sometimes you have to know when to fold." He decided to quit then b/c he couldn't work with Hack Higley. It only makes sense
If if it's the same tweet I saw on his @darkstreetsofla account that I was looking at today, that tweet was from January of last year, before his hiring at Days was even announced.

I don't know if I just imagined this or if it was just someone's speculation, but I thought I read somewhere that LB didn't want to be a head writer again.
You didn't imagine it, I remember reading it too. It may have been someone's speculation though.
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cord08
Feb 23 2016, 07:06 PM
DaveB81
Feb 23 2016, 06:53 PM
Days could've hired from within and used Lorraine Broderick as HW and even brought back Beth Milstein full time and put them together.

Lorraine is well respected and very talented. She could've filled in easily. She also has 6 Daytime Emmys for writing (5 with AMC and 1 with GL) She came back to AMC and worked wonders after Pratt destroyed the show right before cancellation. To me anyway, it seemed like an easy fit.

As for Josh, He posted a tweet on his Twitter acct before he diactivated back in January where he said "Sometimes you have to know when to fold." He decided to quit then b/c he couldn't work with Hack Higley. It only makes sense
If if it's the same tweet I saw on his @darkstreetsofla account that I was looking at today, that tweet was from January of last year, before his hiring at Days was even announced.

I don't know if I just imagined this or if it was just someone's speculation, but I thought I read somewhere that LB didn't want to be a head writer again.
Yeah, I think it was on SON. Can't recall for sure though.

Actually, I think this goes back to prior to AMC being cancelled when many clamored for her to be the HW there and it was said she would only do it temporarily or something. It seems she has no interest in being a HW long-term. If she had, who knows how that would've changed things.

If Higley is the co-HW, none of the established writers on the team will want to work with her. The Culliton's and Broderick have been writing soaps for years and have experience to be in the HW position but no way would they work with her. Very few in soaps would. I think the only reason the writing team stays in place under her is for the pay check because jobs are so hard to come by.
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thepadange
Feb 23 2016, 06:33 PM
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Feb 23 2016, 06:15 PM
SoapsandDaysfan
Feb 23 2016, 05:17 PM
I feel like no matter who the writer is, there will always be some who don't like them. I mean, people hated Higley before. People hated MarDar. People hated TomSell. Some people hate Griffley, except for maybe a few months. So in the grand scheme of things, I'm not sure there is a writer out there that can really please everyone.


I agree with some people, they will hate the head writers because of the storylines. I do want to mention though, most did not hate Marlene and Darrell. Apparently though, Days cut them short. They were the ones to get things excited again.
MarDar's ratings almost got the show cancelled.

No writer(s) can please everyone. As imperfect as Nielsen ratings are, they are the only more or less objective way to see how many people watch the show. Complaints don't matter, numbers matter.
What happened when Pratt started at Y&R? Viewers were complaining a lot on social media etc but their ratings were soaring (still are), so Pratt is still there and CBS is happy.

Griffley's ratings are decent so far, so it's actually sad to see JG go because the drop in numbers may mean cancellation.


I did not looked Marlene Darrell ratings for Days...Some things were good and others were not. Most did like them because the vets was on. Will coming out that he was the one who stabbed EJ. The grief sex that untangle EJAMI from the rut. Lucas was back....

About Josh and Dena...I believe the show was at its best back in September to November! After that, it was not that good! Plus, like I said on this board...maybe not quite the same....Ken Corday is going to favor Dena over everyone else because she has been with Days for a quite awhile now. I don't think at this moment, he wants to get rid of her.
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