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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep I agree with some people, they will hate the head writers because of the storylines. I do want to mention though, most did not hate Marlene and Darrell. Apparently though, Days cut them short. They were the ones to get things excited again.
MarDar's ratings almost got the show cancelled. No writer(s) can please everyone. As imperfect as Nielsen ratings are, they are the only more or less objective way to see how many people watch the show. Complaints don't matter, numbers matter. What happened when Pratt started at Y&R? Viewers were complaining a lot on social media etc but their ratings were soaring (still are), so Pratt is still there and CBS is happy. Griffley's ratings are decent so far, so it's actually sad to see JG go because the drop in numbers may mean cancellation. I did not looked Marlene Darrell ratings for Days...Some things were good and others were not. Most did like them because the vets was on. Will coming out that he was the one who stabbed EJ. The grief sex that untangle EJAMI from the rut. Lucas was back....
About Josh and Dena...I believe the show was at its best back in September to November! After that, it was not that good! Plus, like I said on this board...maybe not quite the same....Ken Corday is going to favor Dena over everyone else because she has been with Days for a quite awhile now. I don't think at this moment, he wants to get rid of her. Will stabbed EJ? I think you meant shot him.
I didn't like much from MarDar. Grief sex was disgusting.
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Feb 23 2016, 07:25 PM
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MarDar seemed to have a lot of good ideas, but most of it played out horribly. They ended up just being really boring. But because their ideas weren't bad, they might have worked well with another writer who could do things in a more exciting way. They also would have benefitted from a better EP.
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I think this is a good point. I"m not sure that Days has another head writer with nearly as much BTS drama as her. There have been things here and there with others, but nothing like what she brings. She brings nothing positive to Days' perception.
Which makes it all the more mind blowing that they keep her. This is just weird though. I just can't see Corday managing to keep her on much longer. He shouldn't be able to keep her on at all. I just can't see any way he can justify it to Sony, NBC, or even the cast and crew. It's obvious he is the only one supporting her. Her track record speaks for itself. At least when he jettisoned Hogan and his team in 2008 he could use the whole "Dena never got a chance" excuse because she only had about 6 months of material during her first stint in 2003 and, outside of that, only had the OLTL HW stint to go off of. Now, what excuse can he use? It may have been a power struggle with Tomsell from 2009-2011 but there was still enough issues during the periods where Higley was on her own to provide a sample size where you know what she is going to do (or not do). Then, you have that period in 2008 when she was on her own and her periods this run where she has been on her own which seemingly resulted in a LOA. How can Corday himself even justify it, no matter how much he likes her? I really want to buy the theory that Dena is only still there until her contract is fulfilled. Maybe she will even remain on leave or working from home until it's over. Who knows. I want to believe it because at least then this makes some sense. But Josh quitting because of her flies in the face of that because why would he quit if he knew she was only staying on temporarily? He could just gut it out until she is gone. The fact he quit because of her pretty much says that he heard she was returning and he threw in the towel. All speculation:
My theory is that Dena got fed up with Josh and had some sort of "meltdown." Because of her apparent history of mental health issues, she was able to take this leave for medical reasons. I mean, that would be legally legit, so they can't fire her specifically for that.
In the meantime, they bring in Beth. There are also renewal negotiations going on at this time, and they know that they're going to have to cut the writing staff in some manner. They're probably going to keep Josh, but they can't fire Dena while she's still on her LOA.
End of December/early January, Corday gets word that Dena is starting to get a handle on her issues, and should be able to return to work soon. Josh gets word of this, and probably voices his concerns/displeasure to Greg, Corday, Steve Kent.... This kind of puts them between a rock and a hard place because they can't necessarily fire her for problems stemming from mental health issues (at least I don't think they can). They inform Josh that they can't legally fire her without more just cause, so he tenders his resignation.
I also doubt they could have legally told Josh that they were planning to fire Dena, could they? I mean, that seems unethical to me. So, if he didn't know that, and just up and quit, they would be kind of in a lurch if they didn't keep Dena at this point.
I'm probably totally wrong, but that's all I can come up with based on the different stories I've heard on this board and on DC.
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Feb 23 2016, 07:27 PM
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MarDar stunk, even before they were interfered with.
Many praised them for characterization but I didn't even think they were good at that. I did like the show giving two new head writers a chance though. They had worked for the show and it was a worthwhile risk, I felt. I just think they took things too far to the other extreme early on in that they wanted to tell modern stories and, according to them, "unsoap the soap." It's a soap opera. You need to write soap stories with a modern twist or the whole thing just becomes too jarring for the audience. That and they had a way of their stories being devoid of all drama and not having any buildup. Things moved way too fat, even moreso than the pacing we had this past Fall IMO. I don't know. I thought Marlene was good on online AMC so maybe it was Darell that was the bad one but, together, their reign was awful IMO.
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MarDar seemed to have a lot of good ideas, but most of it played out horribly. They ended up just being really boring. But because their ideas weren't bad, they might have worked well with another writer who could do things in a more exciting way. They also would have benefitted from a better EP. Yeah. I actually feel like Marlene with someone like Griffith or maybe even one of the Cullitons could've been good. I don't know. I hate to single out Darrell but seeing Marlene's work on the online AMC, it makes me wonder how she would've done on her own or with a better co-HW.
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MarDar stunk, even before they were interfered with.
Many praised them for characterization but I didn't even think they were good at that. I did like the show giving two new head writers a chance though. They had worked for the show and it was a worthwhile risk, I felt. I just think they took things too far to the other extreme early on in that they wanted to tell modern stories and, according to them, "unsoap the soap." It's a soap opera. You need to write soap stories with a modern twist or the whole thing just becomes too jarring for the audience. That and they had a way of their stories being devoid of all drama and not having any buildup. Things moved way too fat, even moreso than the pacing we had this past Fall IMO. I don't know. I thought Marlene was good on online AMC so maybe it was Darell that was the bad one but, together, their reign was awful IMO. It depends on the character. Some, they really seemed to get. Others not so much. Which isn't unusual, but it stood out as positive at the time because Higley didn't get anyone.
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Which makes it all the more mind blowing that they keep her. This is just weird though. I just can't see Corday managing to keep her on much longer. He shouldn't be able to keep her on at all. I just can't see any way he can justify it to Sony, NBC, or even the cast and crew. It's obvious he is the only one supporting her. Her track record speaks for itself. At least when he jettisoned Hogan and his team in 2008 he could use the whole "Dena never got a chance" excuse because she only had about 6 months of material during her first stint in 2003 and, outside of that, only had the OLTL HW stint to go off of. Now, what excuse can he use? It may have been a power struggle with Tomsell from 2009-2011 but there was still enough issues during the periods where Higley was on her own to provide a sample size where you know what she is going to do (or not do). Then, you have that period in 2008 when she was on her own and her periods this run where she has been on her own which seemingly resulted in a LOA. How can Corday himself even justify it, no matter how much he likes her? I really want to buy the theory that Dena is only still there until her contract is fulfilled. Maybe she will even remain on leave or working from home until it's over. Who knows. I want to believe it because at least then this makes some sense. But Josh quitting because of her flies in the face of that because why would he quit if he knew she was only staying on temporarily? He could just gut it out until she is gone. The fact he quit because of her pretty much says that he heard she was returning and he threw in the towel.
All speculation: My theory is that Dena got fed up with Josh and had some sort of "meltdown." Because of her apparent history of mental health issues, she was able to take this leave for medical reasons. I mean, that would be legally legit, so they can't fire her specifically for that. In the meantime, they bring in Beth. There are also renewal negotiations going on at this time, and they know that they're going to have to cut the writing staff in some manner. They're probably going to keep Josh, but they can't fire Dena while she's still on her LOA. End of December/early January, Corday gets word that Dena is starting to get a handle on her issues, and should be able to return to work soon. Josh gets word of this, and probably voices his concerns/displeasure to Greg, Corday, Steve Kent.... This kind of puts them between a rock and a hard place because they can't necessarily fire her for problems stemming from mental health issues (at least I don't think they can). They inform Josh that they can't legally fire her without more just cause, so he tenders his resignation. I also doubt they could have legally told Josh that they were planning to fire Dena, could they? I mean, that seems unethical to me. So, if he didn't know that, and just up and quit, they would be kind of in a lurch if they didn't keep Dena at this point. I'm probably totally wrong, but that's all I can come up with based on the different stories I've heard on this board and on DC. Very plausible.
If that did happen, maybe they could go back to Josh at some point when they do let Dena go.
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Feb 23 2016, 07:33 PM
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MarDar stunk, even before they were interfered with.
Many praised them for characterization but I didn't even think they were good at that. I did like the show giving two new head writers a chance though. They had worked for the show and it was a worthwhile risk, I felt. I just think they took things too far to the other extreme early on in that they wanted to tell modern stories and, according to them, "unsoap the soap." It's a soap opera. You need to write soap stories with a modern twist or the whole thing just becomes too jarring for the audience. That and they had a way of their stories being devoid of all drama and not having any buildup. Things moved way too fat, even moreso than the pacing we had this past Fall IMO. I don't know. I thought Marlene was good on online AMC so maybe it was Darell that was the bad one but, together, their reign was awful IMO.
It depends on the character. Some, they really seemed to get. Others not so much. Which isn't unusual, but it stood out as positive at the time because Higley didn't get anyone. Very true. Coming off of Dena, everything looked better.
I wasn't posting much at the time. I enjoyed the first week with the HTS opening and some aspects were really good like Jack and the PTSD (until they dropped it) but your right. They were boring and they told story in spurs where we would have periods where tons of stuff happened and then periods where nothing happened. I think their reign was the beginning of us getting the kind of storyline trends we still see that never used to be the case on Days (3-6 month story arcs) as opposed to the more conventional stuff (building stories for at least a year like the baby switch, Parker paternity, etc).
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If there is some issue with Higley hanging around until her contract expires, it can still make sense that Josh left. I'm not entirely sure they were loving his work and maybe thought he was too dark. It's possible they were both going anyway.
The promoting of Ryan could mean they wanted a younger fresh direction. So maybe Josh and Dena were both on the way out and she's just here until they find a co.
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I wish they'd have kept Griffith mostly for the consistency. Having another full regime change is frustrating. While the darkness doesn't bother me, I don't disagree that he's a bit too dark. The solution to that should have been to find someone who could balance him with light.
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I wish they'd have kept Griffith mostly for the consistency. Having another full regime change is frustrating. While the darkness doesn't bother me, I don't disagree that he's a bit too dark. The solution to that should have been to find someone who could balance him with light. I at least liked his focus and the darkness didn't bother me. I'm really curious what's coming up.
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I wish they'd have kept Griffith mostly for the consistency. Having another full regime change is frustrating. While the darkness doesn't bother me, I don't disagree that he's a bit too dark. The solution to that should have been to find someone who could balance him with light.
I at least liked his focus and the darkness didn't bother me. I'm really curious what's coming up. The interesting thing is, his writing wasn't all that dark on Y&R. Yes, he wrote Delia's death at the end of his 1 year stint on Y&R (2012-2013) but that was it. I never heard he "was dark" before his current stint on Days.
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Maybe not. But she's been back for a year. It's not a new thing.
Except that she was kept in check for the first three months, sucked up the entire show the next three months, and then was on a leave of absence for the last six months. So, yes, it is a new thing. So basically people weren't ever expecting her to return from leave of absence? That was always a pipe dream.
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MarDar stunk, even before they were interfered with.
Many praised them for characterization but I didn't even think they were good at that. I did like the show giving two new head writers a chance though. They had worked for the show and it was a worthwhile risk, I felt. I just think they took things too far to the other extreme early on in that they wanted to tell modern stories and, according to them, "unsoap the soap." It's a soap opera. You need to write soap stories with a modern twist or the whole thing just becomes too jarring for the audience. That and they had a way of their stories being devoid of all drama and not having any buildup. Things moved way too fat, even moreso than the pacing we had this past Fall IMO. I don't know. I thought Marlene was good on online AMC so maybe it was Darell that was the bad one but, together, their reign was awful IMO. Marlene was fantastic on AMC, totally different from Days. I believe her totally when she says they didn't let her write what she wanted. On AMC, she was given free reign and she was great. Of course it didn't hurt that she had the great Agnes Nixon consulting on stories as well.
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Except that she was kept in check for the first three months, sucked up the entire show the next three months, and then was on a leave of absence for the last six months. So, yes, it is a new thing.
So basically people weren't ever expecting her to return from leave of absence? That was always a pipe dream. It'd really be helpful if you'd read what we're saying. I realize the thread is really long, but if you're going to talk to us like we're all idiots, at least respond to what we're actually saying and not just what you've decided we're saying.
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So basically people weren't ever expecting her to return from leave of absence? That was always a pipe dream.
It'd really be helpful if you'd read what we're saying. I realize the thread is really long, but if you're going to talk to us like we're all idiots, at least respond to what we're actually saying and not just what you've decided we're saying. I don't have time to read the whole thread, but I was simply responding to the one poster who quoted my post. I certainly wasn't talking to anyone else like idiots.
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Days could've hired from within and used Lorraine Broderick as HW and even brought back Beth Milstein full time and put them together.
Lorraine is well respected and very talented. She could've filled in easily. She also has 6 Daytime Emmys for writing (5 with AMC and 1 with GL) She came back to AMC and worked wonders after Pratt destroyed the show right before cancellation. To me anyway, it seemed like an easy fit.
As for Josh, He posted a tweet on his Twitter acct before he diactivated back in January where he said "Sometimes you have to know when to fold." He decided to quit then b/c he couldn't work with Hack Higley. It only makes sense I love Lorraine's writing. Days would look alot different under her though. She tends to focus on social issue stories alot. She studied under Agnes Nixon so that's a huge plus. I wonder if Ken Corday just doesn't see her as a good fit for Days.
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It'd really be helpful if you'd read what we're saying. I realize the thread is really long, but if you're going to talk to us like we're all idiots, at least respond to what we're actually saying and not just what you've decided we're saying.
I don't have time to read the whole thread, but I was simply responding to the one poster who quoted my post. I certainly wasn't talking to anyone else like idiots. Just me apparently.
But no, I didn't expect her to stay on leave indefinitely. I hoped/expected that the LoA was just a way to play out her contract and then she be gone.
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I don't have time to read the whole thread, but I was simply responding to the one poster who quoted my post. I certainly wasn't talking to anyone else like idiots.
Just me apparently. But no, I didn't expect her to stay on leave indefinitely. I hoped/expected that the LoA was just a way to play out her contract and then she be gone. I wonder how long her contract is. Maybe it's longer than people thought. And they can't just fire her.
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Just me apparently. But no, I didn't expect her to stay on leave indefinitely. I hoped/expected that the LoA was just a way to play out her contract and then she be gone.
I wonder how long her contract is. Maybe it's longer than people thought. And they can't just fire her. That's why we've been discussing that. ;)
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