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Topic Started: Feb 18 2016, 06:01 PM (63,256 Views)
cord08
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Feb 23 2016, 08:56 PM
DaveB81
Feb 23 2016, 06:53 PM
Days could've hired from within and used Lorraine Broderick as HW and even brought back Beth Milstein full time and put them together.

Lorraine is well respected and very talented. She could've filled in easily. She also has 6 Daytime Emmys for writing (5 with AMC and 1 with GL) She came back to AMC and worked wonders after Pratt destroyed the show right before cancellation. To me anyway, it seemed like an easy fit.

As for Josh, He posted a tweet on his Twitter acct before he diactivated back in January where he said "Sometimes you have to know when to fold." He decided to quit then b/c he couldn't work with Hack Higley. It only makes sense
I love Lorraine's writing. Days would look alot different under her though. She tends to focus on social issue stories alot. She studied under Agnes Nixon so that's a huge plus. I wonder if Ken Corday just doesn't see her as a good fit for Days.
What was the deal with her prior HW stint at Days? She didn't last long, but I can't remember the reason why.

I think one of the fundamental problems Days has is that they've been known for and thrived on OTT and fantastical writing for quite some time. In the '80s, it was all about these big, sometimes fairytale-like romances, and in the '90s and early '00s, it was the OTT plot lines, etc. Now, with the reduced budget, they can't really pull off that "big" feeling anymore, so the show has just kind of floundered.
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cord08
Feb 23 2016, 09:18 PM
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Feb 23 2016, 08:56 PM
DaveB81
Feb 23 2016, 06:53 PM
Days could've hired from within and used Lorraine Broderick as HW and even brought back Beth Milstein full time and put them together.

Lorraine is well respected and very talented. She could've filled in easily. She also has 6 Daytime Emmys for writing (5 with AMC and 1 with GL) She came back to AMC and worked wonders after Pratt destroyed the show right before cancellation. To me anyway, it seemed like an easy fit.

As for Josh, He posted a tweet on his Twitter acct before he diactivated back in January where he said "Sometimes you have to know when to fold." He decided to quit then b/c he couldn't work with Hack Higley. It only makes sense
I love Lorraine's writing. Days would look alot different under her though. She tends to focus on social issue stories alot. She studied under Agnes Nixon so that's a huge plus. I wonder if Ken Corday just doesn't see her as a good fit for Days.
What was the deal with her prior HW stint at Days? She didn't last long, but I can't remember the reason why.

I think one of the fundamental problems Days has is that they've been known for and thrived on OTT and fantastical writing for quite some time. In the '80s, it was all about these big, sometimes fairytale-like romances, and in the '90s and early '00s, it was the OTT plot lines, etc. Now, with the reduced budget, they can't really pull off that "big" feeling anymore, so the show has just kind of floundered.
I didn't even know she ever wrote for Days before. Her style is the exact opposite of the Days stuff you just described. Yes, she's had her OTT story here and there, but even then, the stories have heart, and don't feel OTT. If that makes sense. If you were to take the current socially relevant stories that Days is trying to tell, like Ciara's rape or Jennifer's pill addiction, Lorraine could write the heck out of those. I'm not sure how they'll play out under Josh.
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I have no idea if this true, but during a previous regime change we talked about this. It was said then that her issue was that she didn't want to write for the teens in the way Days was wanting at the time.
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lysie
Feb 23 2016, 09:50 PM
I have no idea if this true, but during a previous regime change we talked about this. It was said then that her issue was that she didn't want to write for the teens in the way Days was wanting at the time.
When was this and how did they end up being written?
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lysie
Feb 23 2016, 09:50 PM
I have no idea if this true, but during a previous regime change we talked about this. It was said then that her issue was that she didn't want to write for the teens in the way Days was wanting at the time.
Thanks, lysie.

I wouldn't mind a Broderick/Quan team. Both of them have been there long enough to know most of the characters and understand some of the history. And not to sound ageist, but if they were still concerned about her writing for the teens, Ryan's "younger" influence could potentially help.

Virtually anyone (besides Tomlin) is a better prospect than Dena at this point, IMO.
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cord08
Feb 23 2016, 09:56 PM
lysie
Feb 23 2016, 09:50 PM
I have no idea if this true, but during a previous regime change we talked about this. It was said then that her issue was that she didn't want to write for the teens in the way Days was wanting at the time.
Thanks, lysie.

I wouldn't mind a Broderick/Quan team. Both of them have been there long enough to know most of the characters and understand some of the history. And not to sound ageist, but if they were still concerned about her writing for the teens, Ryan's "younger" influence could potentially help.

Virtually anyone (besides Tomlin) is a better prospect than Dena at this point, IMO.
Tomlin has at least one big advantage over Dena - NBC's support (which isn't bad in regards to renewal).

Btw, how was his stint with Michelle Poteet-Lisanti (1980-1981), if someone remembers?
Edited by thepadange, Feb 23 2016, 11:21 PM.
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Feb 23 2016, 09:55 PM
lysie
Feb 23 2016, 09:50 PM
I have no idea if this true, but during a previous regime change we talked about this. It was said then that her issue was that she didn't want to write for the teens in the way Days was wanting at the time.
When was this and how did they end up being written?
This is from Wikipedia, so grain of salt.

"In July 1999, a complete behind-the-scenes overhaul at the show led to Broderick's exit. Shortly after, she was hired by Days of Our Lives Executive Producer Ken Corday to helm his show's writing team. However, she was there for less than a month before she left over disagreements with Co-Executive Producer Tom Langan (who would assume the writing duties himself). Reportedly, Langan wanted to rapidly age the next generation of teens and immediately place them in front-burner storylines, while Broderick wanted to phase them in gradually; Broderick's character-driven storytelling style was also reportedly not favored by Langan, who preferred more outlandish plotting."
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thepadange
Feb 23 2016, 10:05 PM
cord08
Feb 23 2016, 09:56 PM
lysie
Feb 23 2016, 09:50 PM
I have no idea if this true, but during a previous regime change we talked about this. It was said then that her issue was that she didn't want to write for the teens in the way Days was wanting at the time.
Thanks, lysie.

I wouldn't mind a Broderick/Quan team. Both of them have been there long enough to know most of the characters and understand some of the history. And not to sound ageist, but if they were still concerned about her writing for the teens, Ryan's "younger" influence could potentially help.

Virtually anyone (besides Tomlin) is a better prospect than Dena at this point, IMO.
Tomlin has at least one big advantage over Dena - NBC's support (which isn't bad in regards to renewal).

Btw, how was his stint with Michelle Poteet-Lisanti (1980-1981), in case someone remembers?
I can't speak to the whole time period (someone track down Matt), but he was writing during a mass character exodus and some newbies (the Chandlers). He's who wrote Marlena's rape which I think was done well. But I've obviously only seen it in clips. Her and Don's story around that time was very political. IDK how well that went over. I'd like to hear someone's take who was actually watching then.
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Tomlin/Poteet-Lisanti's HW tenure immediately followed the DISASTROUS stint by Nina Laemmle during which Laemmle wrote about I think about a DOZEN major characters (including Bill & Laura, Bob Anderson, among others) and then dropped all of her NEW characters almost simultaneously into Salem, the most prominent of these being the Chandler family. The audience didn't take to all the changes & the ratings (which were already a bit shaky due to NBC's over all soap ratings troubles in the late 70s - both The Doctors & AW were on steep downward slides after their early/mid 70s highs) tanked. Tomlin & Poteet-Lisanti pretty much saved the show. They created Renee Dumonde & crafted the surrogacy mother storyline for Maggie and, as Lysie said, did the rape storyline for Maggie which (from what I've seen & read) was VERY well done while also tying it all in with the existing Chandlers (including Liz, the only one of Laemmle's character who actually lasted more than a couple of years).

According to Jason47, MPL began as a HW on 10/10/80 & Tomlin joined her on 10/20/80. Their tenure ended on 10/20/81 & they were replaced by Pat Falkin Smith. If you want more specifics on the exact stories that occurred under their tenure, I recommend visiting my Tumbler for DAYS' weekly newspaper recaps. Just go here and scroll down to the week of 10/13/80 for Michelle's first full week. Tomlin's first week begins the following week & then continue reading on.
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I don't think they can fire Dena while she's on a LOA, but they can fire anyone,
even if they're on contract, no matter what the duration.
What if, it was announced that Josh left, in order for Dena to come back to work, only so that she could be "legally" fired? Only then, would Josh re-sign a new contract. Now, that would settle some of the legalities surrounding her LOA, wouldn't it?
I know, I know...maybe wishful thinking on my part, but MOST of the actors spoke highly of Josh and have remained suspiciously silent about his departure, not even a thank you on twitter. Makes me wonder if something is not already in the works...
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lysie


One of my favorite parts of Marlena's rape story was how they connected it to some issues she and Don had been having. They'd had a sex scene shortly before the rape where he pretty much forced her and she gave in. It wasn't treated as anything traumatic at the time, but after the rape she flashed back to it and the rape together. There were also lot subtleties in it that you never get on Days today. It blows my mind that that same man wrote the Marlena of 2012-2015.
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It makes me excited to see everyone discuss alternatives and theories for Dena's exit, but I doubt it's going to happen.
Edited by ShaneDOOLFan, Feb 23 2016, 10:44 PM.
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lysie
Feb 23 2016, 10:34 PM
One of my favorite parts of Marlena's rape story was how they connected it to some issues she and Don had been having. They'd had a sex scene shortly before the rape where he pretty much forced her and she gave in. It wasn't treated as anything traumatic at the time, but after the rape she flashed back to it and the rape together. There were also lot subtleties in it that you never get on Days today. It blows my mind that that same man wrote the Marlena of 2012-2015.
Both MPL and GT were very young when they started as HWs in 1981 (MPL-26; GT-30). The youngest Days' HW duo, I think. Not to sound ageist, but maybe that helped?
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Feb 23 2016, 10:28 PM
Tomlin/Poteet-Lisanti's HW tenure immediately followed the DISASTROUS stint by Nina Laemmle during which Laemmle wrote about I think about a DOZEN major characters (including Bill & Laura, Bob Anderson, among others)
I remember we talked about that list a long time ago, so I just searched and here it is:

These were all the characters written out from January-June 1980:

Peter Brown (Greg Peters) 1/2/80
Dan Barton (Earle Carnes) 2/12/80
Eileen Barnett (Stephanie Woodruff/Brooke Hamilton) 2/15/80
Cindy Daly (Cathy Breton) 2/19/80
John Stephenson (Terry Gilbert) 2/19/80
Margaret Mason (Linda Anderson) 3/5/80
John Lupton (Tommy Horton) 3/7/80
Robert Clary (Robert LeClair) 3/14/80
Mikey Martin (Dougie LeClair) 3/14/80
Rosemary Forsyth (Laura Horton) 3/25/80
Mark Tapscott (Bob Anderson) 3/28/80
Corinne Conley (Phyllis Anderson) 4/9/80
George McDaniel (Jordan Barr) 4/10/80
Tracey Bregman (Donna Craig) 4/11/80
Edward Mallory (Bill Horton) 4/14/80
Debbie Lytton (Melissa Anderson) 4/17/80
Andrea Hall (Samantha Evans) 4/18/80
John McCann (Tony Kingman) 4/25/80
Suzanne Zenor (Margo Horton) 5/21/80
Matthew Bischof (D.J. Craig) 5/22/80
Natasha Ryan (Hope Williams) 6/27/80
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Feb 23 2016, 08:56 PM
DaveB81
Feb 23 2016, 06:53 PM
Days could've hired from within and used Lorraine Broderick as HW and even brought back Beth Milstein full time and put them together.

Lorraine is well respected and very talented. She could've filled in easily. She also has 6 Daytime Emmys for writing (5 with AMC and 1 with GL) She came back to AMC and worked wonders after Pratt destroyed the show right before cancellation. To me anyway, it seemed like an easy fit.

As for Josh, He posted a tweet on his Twitter acct before he diactivated back in January where he said "Sometimes you have to know when to fold." He decided to quit then b/c he couldn't work with Hack Higley. It only makes sense
I love Lorraine's writing. Days would look alot different under her though. She tends to focus on social issue stories alot. She studied under Agnes Nixon so that's a huge plus. I wonder if Ken Corday just doesn't see her as a good fit for Days.
Corday has zero clue what is a good fit for Days.

The fact that he said in his book that Higley flourished in 2003 when the fact is her stint was the first time the show dipped below a 3.0 in the ratings and consistently too, just shows that he is delusional when it comes to Higley and just is not fit to run this show in any decent way.
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Feb 23 2016, 10:10 PM
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Feb 23 2016, 09:55 PM
lysie
Feb 23 2016, 09:50 PM
I have no idea if this true, but during a previous regime change we talked about this. It was said then that her issue was that she didn't want to write for the teens in the way Days was wanting at the time.
When was this and how did they end up being written?
This is from Wikipedia, so grain of salt.

"In July 1999, a complete behind-the-scenes overhaul at the show led to Broderick's exit. Shortly after, she was hired by Days of Our Lives Executive Producer Ken Corday to helm his show's writing team. However, she was there for less than a month before she left over disagreements with Co-Executive Producer Tom Langan (who would assume the writing duties himself). Reportedly, Langan wanted to rapidly age the next generation of teens and immediately place them in front-burner storylines, while Broderick wanted to phase them in gradually; Broderick's character-driven storytelling style was also reportedly not favored by Langan, who preferred more outlandish plotting."
See and Lorraine doesn't do outlandish, so I totally believe that article. On AMC, she gradually introduced characters too. She did write teen stories on AMC, but they were all character based.
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Feb 24 2016, 01:39 AM
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This is from Wikipedia, so grain of salt.

"In July 1999, a complete behind-the-scenes overhaul at the show led to Broderick's exit. Shortly after, she was hired by Days of Our Lives Executive Producer Ken Corday to helm his show's writing team. However, she was there for less than a month before she left over disagreements with Co-Executive Producer Tom Langan (who would assume the writing duties himself). Reportedly, Langan wanted to rapidly age the next generation of teens and immediately place them in front-burner storylines, while Broderick wanted to phase them in gradually; Broderick's character-driven storytelling style was also reportedly not favored by Langan, who preferred more outlandish plotting."
See and Lorraine doesn't do outlandish, so I totally believe that article. On AMC, she gradually introduced characters too. She did write teen stories on AMC, but they were all character based.
I don't think the issue was supposed to be that they were teens. It was that they wanted the teens front and center. While The Last Blast was relatively successful I do think that started a turn at Days that they're still struggling because of. They basically skipped a generation, and then when those teens left, they tried to circle back. It's gotten them stuck in a really weird situation.
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Do we know who decided to fire Higley in 2011? In 2003, Corday was forced to fire her because NBC wanted Reilly to write the show. I'm wondering if it was NBC again that wanted her gone in 2011 and Corday had no choice. If that's the case, I worry we will need NBC again to get rid of her. The problem is that might only happen if the ratings in the fall are bad and that could mean cancellation since they only got a 1-year renewal. I wish she would quit or at least ask for a position as breakdown or script writer because judging by her book headwriter was obviously not a good fit for her.
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Feb 24 2016, 03:24 AM
Do we know who decided to fire Higley in 2011? In 2003, Corday was forced to fire her because NBC wanted Reilly to write the show. I'm wondering if it was NBC again that wanted her gone in 2011 and Corday had no choice. If that's the case, I worry we will need NBC again to get rid of her. The problem is that might only happen if the ratings in the fall are bad and that could mean cancellation since they only got a 1-year renewal. I wish she would quit or at least ask for a position as breakdown or script writer because judging by her book headwriter was obviously not a good fit for her.
I have a feeling that Dena it will be on board to the end, so to speak :) NBC had forced her out otherwise, prior to the extension of the contract ..
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The biggest problem Days has had for closing in on 20 years now is lack of leadership and vision for the show. Corday has run the show without vision and a long term plan. Every friggin' time he changes writers, characters, history, storylines change that frustrate the viewers. The perfect example of that is John's history. Its one thing, then another, then another and in the long run it makes John Black, super spy look inept and discredits stories we all were invested in.
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