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Friday, February 19th Episode Discussion
Topic Started: Feb 18 2016, 08:36 PM (15,595 Views)
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daysyrghfan
Feb 20 2016, 11:51 AM
Laur
Feb 20 2016, 11:34 AM
I'm vaguely excited about Summer because I'm hoping that she's insane because of something Daniel did. It might spice Theresa up a little too if a very unpredictable and slightly mentally unstable woman moves to Salem and has a connection to Brady. I feel like I'd like Theresa best with a moderate amount of scheming and spunk.
Theresa and Brady's version of Ava. Yikes.
I wouldn't compare Summer to Ava. At least not yet. Right now Theresa/Brady's interloper is Daniel's heart. (not that I'm complaining that there's an interloper lol).
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Thank you JCP.

If I was writing it, I would have Kayla see Marlena for therapy and Marlena couldn't reveal what she tells her, patient confidentialty.(sp)

I would have Kayla tell her that she was going to make Steve think she wanted to work things out with him, but they would have to meet secretly because of Joey hating him right now. Steve would be happy that Kayla giving him another chance that he would go along with it.

Kayla would tell Marlena that when Steve thought they were really back together again, that she was going to dump him and tell him to get lost. Of course, a lot of stuff would be happening but she would find herself really wanting him back. Will Kayla go through with her plan, will Steve find out in the mean time and keep quiet hoping to win her back anyway. Will Joey be able to deal with his wacky parents?

I know I could never be a writer, there are too many characters to keep track.
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Feb 20 2016, 12:22 PM
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Feb 20 2016, 11:56 AM
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Feb 20 2016, 11:46 AM
This episode had a whole of nothingness in it. The only reason I liked Brady and Dario's scenes is because they both looked hot. I DGAF about Summer or Brady's quest otherwise. Whatevs to Victor/Phillip.

Theresa's fears and insecurities are a no. They don't add anything to her character or relationship. Jen Lilley looks better with darker hair, by the way and that dress she was wearing was fugly as hell.

Nicole is irrelevant - she needs to go.

Kayla and Steve's scenes I enjoyed. They reminded me of the time she found out about Marina. Even if one considers the Stava incident rape, I think it's a bit unreasonable to think Kayla's immediate reaction upon seeing that clip should be understanding and support of Steve. She's got her own valid emotions which is why I thought her reaction was appropriate. I'm glad Steve realized this too and that he didn't offer up elaborate justifications. His genuine empathy went a long way.

Didn't care for Belle and Marlena's scenes. I wish Marlena had told her to stop her whining.
Re: Steve and Kayla. I don't think that most of us that did consider it rape took issue with Kayla's reactions. Or at least I didn't. She wasn't in that room, the video clearly didn't include Ava's threats, and Steve had lied to her. I totally understand her reaction (particularly because however I feel about it, the show isn't playing it as rape) and thought it was entirely appropriate for what she knows.

But i do think his genuine emotion affected her, particularly when he said he hated Ava and hated himself. And I think that's important too. There is no reason this has to be an either/or situation where she either immediately understands or never forgives him (and I'm not saying you were saying that, just speaking in generalities). The best stuff is always in the muddled, middle ground. And I look forward to watching SN and MBE navigate the way through it.
I didn't mean to imply that everyone who shares your position about the rape felt that way. I've just seen numerous posts, here and other places, about the Steve and Kayla stuff sucking because they're playing it like an affair. I think it's too early to tell how exactly they will approach it but I do think Kayla will eventually come to accept that Steve was blackmailed into it. However, that doesn't mean her current reaction is any less understandable.

They're writing it much more balanced than I thought they would. One of my gripes with Steve's return was how insensitive towards Kayla, I found him to be. I thought he should've been a lot more aware that despite his motives being noble, he did end up hurting her. Instead he was a bit oblivious to it. Here he acts differently because while he still maintains that he didn't it for her and as forced into it, he acknowledges that she's hurt by what happened, regardless. Their relationship has a lot more substance if they're aware of the other's pain (which we know Kayla will eventually).
I've see those opinions as well and I understand what you mean. I certainly don't think it's fair to criticize Kayla for her reaction when the show clearly doesn't intend to treat this as rape, but some nebulous "not rape, but not what he wanted" thing. Which is why it's pretty easy for me to set aside my irritation with that aspect and focus on what was happening in the context of how the shoe is treating it. And I completely agree that Kayla's reaction was totally understandable regardless of what happens in the future.

I also generally agree about Steve's return. There were a few moments of genuine remorse (like when he read the letter from Bo), but not as many or maybe not as well-focused as I would have liked. In the rush to put them back together for this storyline, they definitely skipped over steps like that. I'm hopeful, albeit not holding my breath, that some of that might come into play now. His clear remorse, regret, and self-loathing for her pain and anger in yesterday's scenes are a good start.
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Feb 20 2016, 12:19 PM
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Feb 20 2016, 12:10 PM
John and Kayla could have a scene or two next week, and I would enjoy that. It's been so rare. He could find her in the park after her run in with Ava, and figure out that Steve didn't get to her in time, and that she found out in the worst possible way.

He could tell her how upset Steve was, that Steve was being eaten alive by this whole thing, and that she might be upset right now, but she might want not want to make quick decisions about this thing.

He could catch her up on a few things, too, unless this whole parentage thing is a secret?
Oh I'd love a John and Kayla scene especially after he was the first person Stvee told about this. His perspective on Steve's feelings could really help Kayla. I also hope at some point Marlena and Kayla talk. They definitely have scenes together next month but I think it's about something else.
I'm just looking forward to the day that Kayla gets to talk to somebody that isn't Steve, Joey, Ava or Roman (okay she did talk to Fynn in the hospital but that doesn't count). And, even more, I'd like her to get to have one conversation with somebody (who isn't Steve, Joey, or Ava) about her feelings.

As much as I have enjoyed a lot of the Steve and Kayla scenes since Steve's return, it's gotten a bit ridiculous that the woman who was everybody else's sounding board for years still doesn't have anybody to talk to about HER feelings. Hell I'd even take Caroline, even though the woman clearly doesn't care about her daughter at all.

I often think this is the biggest difference between the good old days and today. Conversations between friend/family that gave insight into a character's feelings and POV were a regular part of storytelling, not the rare treat they are today. And the lack of those scenes is always a detriment.
I could not agree more. And I get roman is Kayla's brother but come on. Lol. Caroline's turn to Kiriakas only is one of the things I detest

Abby is another character who I'd love to see talk to someone about what she's feeling. She must have so much bottled up. And that may be the point but she is another one who only talks to Chad, JJ and Jennifer who has her one problems now.

Marlena happily has at least been able to express her real feelings on things to John but I'd love to see her talk to someone too. Like that day she called John she was feeling a lot of emotions and only got to express them in a VM. Even the scenes with stupid Brady in the fall were promising in that regard.
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Feb 20 2016, 11:56 AM
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Feb 20 2016, 11:46 AM
This episode had a whole of nothingness in it. The only reason I liked Brady and Dario's scenes is because they both looked hot. I DGAF about Summer or Brady's quest otherwise. Whatevs to Victor/Phillip.

Theresa's fears and insecurities are a no. They don't add anything to her character or relationship. Jen Lilley looks better with darker hair, by the way and that dress she was wearing was fugly as hell.

Nicole is irrelevant - she needs to go.

Kayla and Steve's scenes I enjoyed. They reminded me of the time she found out about Marina. Even if one considers the Stava incident rape, I think it's a bit unreasonable to think Kayla's immediate reaction upon seeing that clip should be understanding and support of Steve. She's got her own valid emotions which is why I thought her reaction was appropriate. I'm glad Steve realized this too and that he didn't offer up elaborate justifications. His genuine empathy went a long way.

Didn't care for Belle and Marlena's scenes. I wish Marlena had told her to stop her whining.
Re: Steve and Kayla. I don't think that most of us that did consider it rape took issue with Kayla's reactions. Or at least I didn't. She wasn't in that room, the video clearly didn't include Ava's threats, and Steve had lied to her. I totally understand her reaction (particularly because however I feel about it, the show isn't playing it as rape) and thought it was entirely appropriate for what she knows.

But i do think his genuine emotion affected her, particularly when he said he hated Ava and hated himself. And I think that's important too. There is no reason this has to be an either/or situation where she either immediately understands or never forgives him (and I'm not saying you were saying that, just speaking in generalities). The best stuff is always in the muddled, middle ground. And I look forward to watching SN and MBE navigate the way through it.
The scene in the video Kayla watched was totally misleading as it looked consensual. She did not include any dialogue of her threatening Steve if he refused to have sex with her that she would let Kayla die. So of course Kayla would think the worst of Steve. He should have been honest with her from the moment he came back. I can understand her refusal to believe that whatever happened was nothing but consensual sex. I felt sorry for both of them. Steve for knowing he hurt Kayla by lying, and Kayla for finding out that he lied yet again, and that he cheated (even though we know why he did it). I just hope these two can work things out together.
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Feb 20 2016, 12:24 PM
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Feb 20 2016, 11:51 AM
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Feb 20 2016, 11:34 AM
I'm vaguely excited about Summer because I'm hoping that she's insane because of something Daniel did. It might spice Theresa up a little too if a very unpredictable and slightly mentally unstable woman moves to Salem and has a connection to Brady. I feel like I'd like Theresa best with a moderate amount of scheming and spunk.
Theresa and Brady's version of Ava. Yikes.
I wouldn't compare Summer to Ava. At least not yet. Right now Theresa/Brady's interloper is Daniel's heart. (not that I'm complaining that there's an interloper lol).
Well she might not be bad as Ava just yet but I do think she is crazy.
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Stephen and Mary Beth thrive on emotional scenes so I knew they would not disappoint. It just fucking sucks this story even happened. I'm glad they're letting Kayla feel the necessary beats of betrayal and heartbreak before moving into next phase, because I know she will find it in her to forgive him. Interesting to hear Kayla say she's never hated anyone as much as Ava (that sounded more like an in-the-moment remark though). I'm looking forward to the showdown with Ava. Although, since Kayla was falsely charged with Marina's murder . . . I'm hoping Steve will take the heat for this one. Maybe he will to protect Kayla.

I enjoyed Belle and Marlena's conversation, it's just odd for them to have it at a bar/lounge, in the middle of the day. Why couldn't they at least write it as Belle and Marlena met up together instead of Marlena finding Belle . . . because, what, Belle always goes bar hopping on Fridays? It would actually be nice if Marlena was there looking for Eric and found Belle instead.

Not sure why Belle wants to buy the club? Side note: MM is pretty in pink . . . but that was not the most flattering dress.

I'm not minding JPL as Philip but those scenes with Victor were boring. It didn't help there was a picture of precious Daniel right next to Victor . . . they're just never going to let him go, are they?

Why is Brady walking around with a notepad and pen? Who does that anymore?
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Feb 20 2016, 05:10 PM
Stephen and Mary Beth thrive on emotional scenes so I knew they would not disappoint. It just fucking sucks this story even happened. I'm glad they're letting Kayla feel the necessary beats of betrayal and heartbreak before moving into next phase, because I know she will find it in her to forgive him. Interesting to hear Kayla say she's never hated anyone as much as Ava (that sounded more like an in-the-moment remark though). I'm looking forward to the showdown with Ava. Although, since Kayla was falsely charged with Marina's murder . . . I'm hoping Steve will take the heat for this one. Maybe he will to protect Kayla.

I enjoyed Belle and Marlena's conversation, it's just odd for them to have it at a bar/lounge, in the middle of the day. Why couldn't they at least write it as Belle and Marlena met up together instead of Marlena finding Belle . . . because, what, Belle always goes bar hopping on Fridays? It would actually be nice if Marlena was there looking for Eric and found Belle instead.

Not sure why Belle wants to buy the club? Side note: MM is pretty in pink . . . but that was not the most flattering dress.

I'm not minding JPL as Philip but those scenes with Victor were boring. It didn't help there was a picture of precious Daniel right next to Victor . . . they're just never going to let him go, are they?

Why is Brady walking around with a notepad and pen? Who does that anymore?
Did you see what was on his notepad?

-Summer
-30-35
- Long sandy brown hair
- Brown eyes
- Thin, nice figure
- Malibu, CA
- Psychological issues, meds?

South Coast Psychiatric Care
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Feb 20 2016, 05:00 AM
I like this conversation between Belle and Marlena, but I'm wondering why they thought this set was a good spot for it to happen, lol
People eat breakfast there and have business meetings so why not? Sets on this show are pretty meaningless.
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Feb 20 2016, 05:01 AM
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Really? It was August-22-2011. Episode #11656 . This is the part Brady was trying to get rid of Dario at Pup and he hated it.
Yeah, all I really remember about Dario from his first run was that he was dating Melanie and he got a job in Argentina. I remember thinking she was too upset about him leaving because I thought they hadn't been dating long.
I appreciate reading what you and others have said about Dario because I wasn't watching at the time he was on the show previously. I like Jordi, but I don't need any more Hernandez family members. I just don't care about them. Maybe they should keep him and get rid of Rafe. I find Rafe to be unbearably boring and have no interest in how he relates to his siblings or parents.
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Feb 21 2016, 12:17 PM
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Feb 20 2016, 05:10 PM
Stephen and Mary Beth thrive on emotional scenes so I knew they would not disappoint. It just fucking sucks this story even happened. I'm glad they're letting Kayla feel the necessary beats of betrayal and heartbreak before moving into next phase, because I know she will find it in her to forgive him. Interesting to hear Kayla say she's never hated anyone as much as Ava (that sounded more like an in-the-moment remark though). I'm looking forward to the showdown with Ava. Although, since Kayla was falsely charged with Marina's murder . . . I'm hoping Steve will take the heat for this one. Maybe he will to protect Kayla.

I enjoyed Belle and Marlena's conversation, it's just odd for them to have it at a bar/lounge, in the middle of the day. Why couldn't they at least write it as Belle and Marlena met up together instead of Marlena finding Belle . . . because, what, Belle always goes bar hopping on Fridays? It would actually be nice if Marlena was there looking for Eric and found Belle instead.

Not sure why Belle wants to buy the club? Side note: MM is pretty in pink . . . but that was not the most flattering dress.

I'm not minding JPL as Philip but those scenes with Victor were boring. It didn't help there was a picture of precious Daniel right next to Victor . . . they're just never going to let him go, are they?

Why is Brady walking around with a notepad and pen? Who does that anymore?
Did you see what was on his notepad?

-Summer
-30-35
- Long sandy brown hair
- Brown eyes
- Thin, nice figure
- Malibu, CA
- Psychological issues, meds?

South Coast Psychiatric Care
Question mark by psychological issues and meds...he's been told by different people she is unstable. Kind of like he is ignoring the red flags. Nice figure that made me chuckle.
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Feb 20 2016, 12:19 PM
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Feb 20 2016, 12:13 PM
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Feb 20 2016, 12:10 PM
John and Kayla could have a scene or two next week, and I would enjoy that. It's been so rare. He could find her in the park after her run in with Ava, and figure out that Steve didn't get to her in time, and that she found out in the worst possible way.

He could tell her how upset Steve was, that Steve was being eaten alive by this whole thing, and that she might be upset right now, but she might want not want to make quick decisions about this thing.

He could catch her up on a few things, too, unless this whole parentage thing is a secret?
Oh I'd love a John and Kayla scene especially after he was the first person Stvee told about this. His perspective on Steve's feelings could really help Kayla. I also hope at some point Marlena and Kayla talk. They definitely have scenes together next month but I think it's about something else.
I'm just looking forward to the day that Kayla gets to talk to somebody that isn't Steve, Joey, Ava or Roman (okay she did talk to Fynn in the hospital but that doesn't count). And, even more, I'd like her to get to have one conversation with somebody (who isn't Steve, Joey, or Ava) about her feelings.

As much as I have enjoyed a lot of the Steve and Kayla scenes since Steve's return, it's gotten a bit ridiculous that the woman who was everybody else's sounding board for years still doesn't have anybody to talk to about HER feelings. Hell I'd even take Caroline, even though the woman clearly doesn't care about her daughter at all.

I often think this is the biggest difference between the good old days and today. Conversations between friend/family that gave insight into a character's feelings and POV were a regular part of storytelling, not the rare treat they are today. And the lack of those scenes is always a detriment.
She had a long scene with Faux talking about her feelings. Granted it was about Daniel but it was still about her feelings.
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I'm just looking forward to the day that Kayla gets to talk to somebody that isn't Steve, Joey, Ava or Roman (okay she did talk to Fynn in the hospital but that doesn't count). And, even more, I'd like her to get to have one conversation with somebody (who isn't Steve, Joey, or Ava) about her feelings.

As much as I have enjoyed a lot of the Steve and Kayla scenes since Steve's return, it's gotten a bit ridiculous that the woman who was everybody else's sounding board for years still doesn't have anybody to talk to about HER feelings. Hell I'd even take Caroline, even though the woman clearly doesn't care about her daughter at all.

I often think this is the biggest difference between the good old days and today. Conversations between friend/family that gave insight into a character's feelings and POV were a regular part of storytelling, not the rare treat they are today. And the lack of those scenes is always a detriment.
She had a long scene with Faux talking about her feelings. Granted it was about Daniel but it was still about her feelings.
Right, her feelings about Daniel. I guess I should have specified that I meant her feelings about what is going on her life besides Daniel.
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Feb 20 2016, 12:29 PM
If I was writing it, I would have Kayla see Marlena for therapy and Marlena couldn't reveal what she tells her, patient confidentialty.(sp)

I would have Kayla tell her that she was going to make Steve think she wanted to work things out with him, but they would have to meet secretly because of Joey hating him right now. Steve would be happy that Kayla giving him another chance that he would go along with it.

Kayla would tell Marlena that when Steve thought they were really back together again, that she was going to dump him and tell him to get lost. Of course, a lot of stuff would be happening but she would find herself really wanting him back. Will Kayla go through with her plan, will Steve find out in the mean time and keep quiet hoping to win her back anyway. Will Joey be able to deal with his wacky parents?

I know I could never be a writer, there are too many characters to keep track.
I'm still waiting for Marlena to talk to someone about the things she's been through recently.
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Feb 21 2016, 12:32 PM
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Feb 21 2016, 12:17 PM
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Stephen and Mary Beth thrive on emotional scenes so I knew they would not disappoint. It just fucking sucks this story even happened. I'm glad they're letting Kayla feel the necessary beats of betrayal and heartbreak before moving into next phase, because I know she will find it in her to forgive him. Interesting to hear Kayla say she's never hated anyone as much as Ava (that sounded more like an in-the-moment remark though). I'm looking forward to the showdown with Ava. Although, since Kayla was falsely charged with Marina's murder . . . I'm hoping Steve will take the heat for this one. Maybe he will to protect Kayla.

I enjoyed Belle and Marlena's conversation, it's just odd for them to have it at a bar/lounge, in the middle of the day. Why couldn't they at least write it as Belle and Marlena met up together instead of Marlena finding Belle . . . because, what, Belle always goes bar hopping on Fridays? It would actually be nice if Marlena was there looking for Eric and found Belle instead.

Not sure why Belle wants to buy the club? Side note: MM is pretty in pink . . . but that was not the most flattering dress.

I'm not minding JPL as Philip but those scenes with Victor were boring. It didn't help there was a picture of precious Daniel right next to Victor . . . they're just never going to let him go, are they?

Why is Brady walking around with a notepad and pen? Who does that anymore?
Did you see what was on his notepad?

-Summer
-30-35
- Long sandy brown hair
- Brown eyes
- Thin, nice figure
- Malibu, CA
- Psychological issues, meds?

South Coast Psychiatric Care
Question mark by psychological issues and meds...he's been told by different people she is unstable. Kind of like he is ignoring the red flags. Nice figure that made me chuckle.
I wonder why he has to take notes in the first place. Can't he remember the visual? The only thing that was somewhat important and a little bit easier to forget was the name of the institution "South Coast Psychiatric Care".
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Feb 21 2016, 12:37 PM
Right, her feelings about Daniel. I guess I should have specified that I meant her feelings about what is going on her life besides Daniel.
This show has a chronic problem with never having characters revealing their feelings about all the shit that happens to them. It's always about the latest plot and shock value. I think that's why people turn to fan fiction.
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Question mark by psychological issues and meds...he's been told by different people she is unstable. Kind of like he is ignoring the red flags. Nice figure that made me chuckle.
I wonder why he has to take notes in the first place. Can't he remember the visual? The only thing that was somewhat important and a little bit easier to forget was the name of the institution "South Coast Psychiatric Care".
He was acting like a news reporter with that note pad. I think humor is the only thing that's gonna get me through this story.
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Feb 20 2016, 11:46 AM

Nicole is irrelevant - she needs to go.

Yes please free up more time for Theresa, Lani, Gabi Summer, Ava , Maggie , Kate and Rafe. :glare:
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Feb 21 2016, 12:28 PM
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Yeah, all I really remember about Dario from his first run was that he was dating Melanie and he got a job in Argentina. I remember thinking she was too upset about him leaving because I thought they hadn't been dating long.
I appreciate reading what you and others have said about Dario because I wasn't watching at the time he was on the show previously. I like Jordi, but I don't need any more Hernandez family members. I just don't care about them. Maybe they should keep him and get rid of Rafe. I find Rafe to be unbearably boring and have no interest in how he relates to his siblings or parents.
I`d LOVE to see them get riid of Rafe and keep Dario.

Anything to get rid of Rafe!
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