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| Monday, February 22 Episode Discussion | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Feb 21 2016, 08:17 PM (12,751 Views) | |
| Half Halt | Feb 22 2016, 10:02 PM Post #241 |
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I'm not out with this show, but the whole Chase on Ciara thing was so stupid. Come on! No way would the Ciara we all know let Chase rape her. She did nothing! Seriously? She would have made a soprano out of him. FFS!!! The writing for this show has been so bad, remains to be bad, and is only going to get worse with you know who......... |
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| Restless84 | Feb 22 2016, 10:06 PM Post #242 |
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Ciara didn't let Chase do anything to her. He overpowered her and raped her. |
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| thepadange | Feb 22 2016, 10:07 PM Post #243 |
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He lasted a tad longer today though :D . Guess he was more invested this time. |
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| lysie | Feb 22 2016, 10:08 PM Post #244 |
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This is not a thing! |
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| Half Halt | Feb 22 2016, 10:14 PM Post #245 |
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Of course he overpowered her, but she didn't fight. If she did, that hasn't been shown. The Ciara I know would have at least tried to kick his balls off. Chase was always her bitch. Hard to believe she wouldn't fight back. Terrible writing. Acting, too. |
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| lysie | Feb 22 2016, 10:18 PM Post #246 |
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There isn't a single thing in this I agree with, but putting the show aside, that's just not how rape works. It's just not. And of course Ciara isn't the same. Since she aged her pseudo-father figure tried to kill her mother, her actual father killed her pseudo father, her actual father died, she was kidnapped, and her home was set on fire. Besides that, it's not very reasonable to expect an apparently 17 year old to act the way a ten year used to...especially when emotions are different and relationships are different. Plus, that's still not how rape works. |
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| Half Halt | Feb 22 2016, 10:24 PM Post #247 |
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Got it |
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| Jason47 | Feb 22 2016, 10:31 PM Post #248 |
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Kevin Riggin is back later in the year. |
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| AngelaP | Feb 22 2016, 10:41 PM Post #249 |
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I did not like that they didn't have her fight but also I completely understand why even the fiercest person might not be able when something like this happens. When you're being attacked especially by somebody you know the brain is going through a lot. Terror, Shock, Confusion, etc. Sometimes you will freeze, sometimes you will fight, sometimes you'll do both. I really don't like that they did this story, though. It may be done well, and hopefully send a good message, but much like Stefano's murder ... I felt like this was an unnecessary beat within this family unit. It feels like ridiculously dark overkill. |
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| lysie | Feb 22 2016, 10:51 PM Post #250 |
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I think it's kind of a weird story beat to comment on liking or not liking because you're not really supposed to like it (and I get what you're saying, and it's not really this). I think they're doing a good job with it so far, but it could definitely go badly at any point. Ultimately, I think it has accomplished something that a lot of teen stories don't. It's actually about Ciara AND it's multi-faceted. It basically catapulted her into her own person. I wish they could have gotten us on more on the actress' side before it happened, though. It also really suffers after so many years of rape stories that weren't taken seriously. It almost doesn't even matter if it's done well or not because of that. And I like dark, so that aspect doesn't bother me. |
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| esp13 | Feb 22 2016, 10:52 PM Post #251 |
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It's not about being fierce or not. She said no, she tried to leave. He pushed her down on the couch and raped her. Once she said no, everything else is irrelevant. It is absolutely shocking to me that in this day and age, people are still saying "but she didn't fight back" or even "I wish she would have fought back." She said no and he forced her. That's ALL that matters. |
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| AngelaP | Feb 22 2016, 11:05 PM Post #252 |
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I don't feel like there's anything wrong with me saying "I wish they had written her to (Mike Tyson) fight back" especially with how I compounded that statement in that post. I didn't in the least imply that the lack of that meant she wanted it, asked for it, let it happen, etc by not fighting back. It's simply a beat I would have liked to have been scripted in. Re: Fierce. I was simply putting out that a person you could see fighting tooth and nail in a situation like that could just as easily freeze in the situation as a person you would describe as meek. Vice versa, it is irrelevant - fighting/freezing. I didn't say it wasn't. |
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| anzu | Feb 22 2016, 11:09 PM Post #253 |
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Beyond the epic fail of building to a story like this, my biggest gripe so far is how utterly.... unnecessary this story feels for suitable drama. Not only is the show already a poor imitation of true crime tv, but they had a gold mine to pay with of stories for chase and ciara, separately and interconnected, but pretty much said screw that. They both had enough batshit crazy going on their lives and in their backgrounds to pull from for more compelling story. I would have been much more interested in seeing them support each other/tensions rising over the mom murder/attempted hope murder/ your dad killed my dad/ my dad died too/we're kinda siblings/also might kinda like you but don't really because i don't actually appear to like anyone. Even more, some more teen interaction could have further developed storyline potential, especially if claire were interested in chase, who is also having major parent issues, theo has his own im a dimera but not the way they are issues, and sometimes i forget joey is even in this teen group :shrug: |
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| esp13 | Feb 22 2016, 11:10 PM Post #254 |
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The problem with the "I wish she would have fought back" is the implication that it's a disappointment if she didn't. That there's something missing/wrong/not as good if the victim doesn't fight back. Maybe that's not what you meant, but that's how it sounds. And unfortunately there are too many people who do think that it's somehow a character flaw if she doesn't fight back. ETA - if the discussions being had on this board about Ciara and even Steve aren't evidence that this country hasn't come close to dealing with its rape culture then I don't know what is. And it definitely proves that storylines like Ciara's are still needed and still relevant. Edited by esp13, Feb 22 2016, 11:13 PM.
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| LuvingLumi | Feb 22 2016, 11:12 PM Post #255 |
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!
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"LET"??? Goodness gracious...and this folks is the reason why teens and young adults don't report rapes. They go unreported more than 50% of the time....why? because people still think that women who don't 'fight these guys off' somehow are stupid and weak... No disrespect but your statement is completely uncalled for. She doesn't have to do anything, she said NO, that was the ONLY THING she needed to say to stop him and he refused to stop....she was overpowered and raped against her will. She did not consent to sex, again she said NO. He covered her mouth and pinned her and raped her. A woman doesn't 'let' a guy rape her...she might 'let' a guy have sex with her...but the minute it's rape it's not consensual....PERIOD....let's please make this distinction CLEAR. |
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| ssedai2 | Feb 22 2016, 11:18 PM Post #256 |
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Almost Alpha
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Yeah, I take back all my complaining about Paige's death/mourning taking forever. |
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| ssedai2 | Feb 22 2016, 11:19 PM Post #257 |
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Almost Alpha
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Unless they lowered it, Illinois/Chicago is 21 or at least for the first 33 years of my life. |
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| AngelaP | Feb 22 2016, 11:19 PM Post #258 |
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It's me not liking female characters being put in the position of a victim and me wanting to see the male perp character at least kicked in the balls before he takes what he wants because they deserve it. It's not a statement about rape in the world. It's not me in the least saying the scenes gave me any pause about what she did/didn't want. |
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| CrayCray | Feb 22 2016, 11:24 PM Post #259 |
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Those Andre and Chase interactions have me raising my eyebrow. Am I supposed to sympathize with him because he defended Hope and Ciara and showed some sort of remorse? I don't. He's a little monster. He admitted to wanting it even knowing she didn't and was disgusted. Water seeks its own level, hence why Andre has such a great affinity for him that seemingly transcends beyond his revenge plots. Kayla was awesome today. I want to say that Roman was as well, but it's really hard to tell beneath all the mumbling and slurred words. |
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| AngelaP | Feb 22 2016, 11:26 PM Post #260 |
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I like dark and profound drama, too. IMO, it's just too much here within one small family unit ... and so far they haven't been able to handle what they're dishing out (probably partially due to writer changes but all the same). I think they'll do at least a fair job by the rape, and I agree with your points about the story but IMO there were others way to get to the same point (IMO, Bo's death alone could have done it for Ciara if written well). If this was rape isolated from all the other drama, I wouldn't even be complaining. This is like Shakespeare on crack. Edited by AngelaP, Feb 22 2016, 11:37 PM.
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