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Thursday, February 25th Episode Discussion
Topic Started: Feb 24 2016, 06:48 PM (17,448 Views)
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Feb 25 2016, 02:05 PM
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Feb 25 2016, 01:56 PM
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Feb 24 2016, 11:47 PM

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I certainly wouldn't think the obvious teen murderer would be deserving of a date either. Who knows what could happen by that time but if a cold blooded murderer can be redeemed certainly there is hope for Chase. Chase is a traumatized kid with a psychopath manipulating him. What's Joey's excuse?
Seriously, what does one thing have to do with the other? Joey killing Ava doesn't make Chase suddenly a good guy for raping Ciara. And Chase raping Ciara doesn't make Joey right for killing Ava.

And I guess if Andre manipulating Chase gives him an out, then everything Ava did to Joey and his family gives him an out. Or, maybe, neither of them deserve an out and it's crappy writing.
Nope, but if Joey is deserving of redemption, then so is Chase, and if one deserves to spend his life in prison, then so does the other. No double standard is applicable here. I predict that while Chase has genuine remorse for what he did, Joey will be perfectly content to let mommy & daddy make excuses for him & be too much of a coward to own his actions. I guess if Chase goes to prison there will be a cell right next to him with the oh so deserving Johnson FAMILY name on it.
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Feb 25 2016, 02:08 PM
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Feb 25 2016, 12:39 PM
Joey is home drunk talking to Steve. He hates Ava
Joey had been drinking at the party and he and Jade left. Then Joey went home and before going inside he took some pills. After Steve told him what happened that day (with A) Joey was upset.
I thought Joey put sveral breath mints in his mouth so his parents wouldn`t smell alcohol on his breath.
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Feb 25 2016, 02:11 PM
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Feb 25 2016, 02:08 PM
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Feb 25 2016, 12:39 PM
Joey is home drunk talking to Steve. He hates Ava
Joey had been drinking at the party and he and Jade left. Then Joey went home and before going inside he took some pills. After Steve told him what happened that day (with A) Joey was upset.
How did Joey get away from Steve? Or was that not shown?
It was not shown. All of a sudden Joey is at the hospital and sets off the fire alarm. Then sneaks into her room and yells at her and then puts the pillow over her face.
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Anyway, this works fine. Honey, you look horrific.

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Feb 25 2016, 02:15 PM
Well look at that, they got a pic of Bo, Hope , nuCiara , and BB Shawn on the mantle.
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Seriously, what does one thing have to do with the other? Joey killing Ava doesn't make Chase suddenly a good guy for raping Ciara. And Chase raping Ciara doesn't make Joey right for killing Ava.

And I guess if Andre manipulating Chase gives him an out, then everything Ava did to Joey and his family gives him an out. Or, maybe, neither of them deserve an out and it's crappy writing.
Nope, but if Joey is deserving of redemption, then so is Chase, and if one deserves to spend his life in prison, then so does the other. No double standard is applicable here. I predict that while Chase has genuine remorse for what he did, Joey will be perfectly content to let mommy & daddy make excuses for him & be too much of a coward to own his actions. I guess if Chase goes to prison there will be a cell right next to him with the oh so deserving Johnson FAMILY name on it.
I don't know why this is even an issue at the moment since we don't know exactly what happens to Chase or Joey in the long run.
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I liked Belle today, I hope that means she will be better written now that Higley is on leave.
The Phelle scenes were cute, nice to see some romance on the show.
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Feb 25 2016, 02:48 PM
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Seriously, what does one thing have to do with the other? Joey killing Ava doesn't make Chase suddenly a good guy for raping Ciara. And Chase raping Ciara doesn't make Joey right for killing Ava.

And I guess if Andre manipulating Chase gives him an out, then everything Ava did to Joey and his family gives him an out. Or, maybe, neither of them deserve an out and it's crappy writing.
Nope, but if Joey is deserving of redemption, then so is Chase, and if one deserves to spend his life in prison, then so does the other. No double standard is applicable here. I predict that while Chase has genuine remorse for what he did, Joey will be perfectly content to let mommy & daddy make excuses for him & be too much of a coward to own his actions. I guess if Chase goes to prison there will be a cell right next to him with the oh so deserving Johnson FAMILY name on it.
They're characters in stories, though, and both pretty blank slates at this point. Not every character deserves to be treated the same or take the same path, because that would be boring.
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Feb 25 2016, 02:55 PM
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Nope, but if Joey is deserving of redemption, then so is Chase, and if one deserves to spend his life in prison, then so does the other. No double standard is applicable here. I predict that while Chase has genuine remorse for what he did, Joey will be perfectly content to let mommy & daddy make excuses for him & be too much of a coward to own his actions. I guess if Chase goes to prison there will be a cell right next to him with the oh so deserving Johnson FAMILY name on it.
I don't know why this is even an issue at the moment since we don't know exactly what happens to Chase or Joey in the long run.
We have a general idea from spoilers that Joey is coddled & protected by Steve & Kayla who choose to commit additional crimes rather than making their son own what he did. There has been plenty of rhetoric about what an unredeemable criminal slime bag Chase is. Josh's twisted sick writing doesn't seem to be as well received now that someone with the last name of Jennings isn't the only one under the bus. Regardless of what ends up happening, my point is simply that one is no more deserving of punishment or redemption than the other.
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Feb 25 2016, 02:43 PM
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Chase has no excuse. He raped Ciara all on his own.

Joey is responsible for his actions too, but he is drunk and who knows what drugs he took.
Poor Joey, because being drunk or high is always a perfectly valid excuse for commiting murder....... :rolleyes:
If you actually read my post, you would have seen I said he is responsible for his actions. You seem content with taking cheap shots. And I won't lie, I can't wait until Chase is gone. I've never had any use for him or Aiden. I am looking forward to them being history.
Edited by Restless84, Feb 25 2016, 03:16 PM.
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Overall this was still a bad episode. The whole week was bad.

I saw some improvements like Hope not glued to Rafe all the time and Belle more like herself today but Griffith/Milstein are still not writing stuff I care about. The Summer storyline is awful and I think it's a mistake to write so much for the teens, especially all that heavy material. Making Joey a murderer is even worse than making Chase a rapist. There's no justification for murder or rape, both characters are ruined. Meanwhile, a lot of characters are still MIA or they have pointless scenes like Lani/Paul today.

I hope things get better next month.
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Feb 25 2016, 03:02 PM
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Nope, but if Joey is deserving of redemption, then so is Chase, and if one deserves to spend his life in prison, then so does the other. No double standard is applicable here. I predict that while Chase has genuine remorse for what he did, Joey will be perfectly content to let mommy & daddy make excuses for him & be too much of a coward to own his actions. I guess if Chase goes to prison there will be a cell right next to him with the oh so deserving Johnson FAMILY name on it.
They're characters in stories, though, and both pretty blank slates at this point. Not every character deserves to be treated the same or take the same path, because that would be boring.
Rape is Rape, & murder is murder, & as there slates stand, there is not one thing IMO that makes Joey or his enabler parents deserving of a brighter path than Salem's other troubled teen.
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I definitely thought today was more interesting than the last few days. I also really like this batch of teens. I especially love Theo, Joey, and Ciara so while I can appreciate that there all in big stories currently, I wish they weren't all super dark. I'm not happy they had Joey smother Ava and I don't see the twist. I get he's angry for what she did to his family, and Josh wanted to clean up the story quickly, but couldn't there have been another way.

I did like seeing Paul, he does understand bullying. its also interesting one of the new teens is gay so maybe he'll be like a mentor, could be interesting.

While I love Shelle, I have a soft spot for Phelle too so I am liking the redo of the triangle. I dont like Belle/Claire's relationship. She never used to be this bitchy,
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Feb 25 2016, 03:13 PM
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They're characters in stories, though, and both pretty blank slates at this point. Not every character deserves to be treated the same or take the same path, because that would be boring.
Rape is Rape, & murder is murder, & as there slates stand, there is not one thing IMO that makes Joey or his enabler parents deserving of a brighter path than Salem's other troubled teen.
Life isn't a scorecard.
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Feb 25 2016, 02:16 PM
I liked today's episode. In fact, I've been enjoying this entire week. Obviously, there are still issues and some Higley stuff is still being burnt off but it feels like the entire show is Josh now and any stories that aren't his he is at least trying to make them work.

It really does suck we had the Higley derailment of the past few months because right now feels alot like the first month of this regime when things were happening out of nowhere and with no buildup. Back then, it was because the show was trying to set up the anniversary and November sweeps and now they are trying to get rid of the garbage Higley came up with and trying to get back to the stories they were telling before and trying to start new stories as well. It's unfortunate but I will give Josh a pass here because I am interested in alot of this.

I don't mind aging up the teens to around 17-18. I just wish they had done that to begin with. It was already jarring enough aging them but to age them twice in a few months is just sloppy. Unless this was another issue related to Dena and Josh clashing, which I doubt, but who knows. I don't mind this though because outside of Claire, none of the actors or actresses in this teen scene look their respective ages. Sorry but I can't buy VJ or KP playing a 16 year old Ciara or Theo and JL as Joey is hard to deal with as 16 as well. The last blast teens worked in their respective ages because the actors and actresses looked those ages Storms was actually 15/16 when she started. Cook and JKJ both looked younger than they were. NB was really the only one I couldn't buy as 16. All the other supporting teens were older but either could be made to look younger or weren't on enough to matter. You either cast 15/16 year olds or cast actors or actresses that look younger. IMO it just takes you right out of a scene to see someone in their 20's who looks their age playing a 16 year old. I'm already having a hard time seeing Joey with Jade. I like the actress playing Jade so far but she looks like she is at least 5 years younger to him to me and it hurts the scenes. They either have to make her look older or make him look younger. I think they tried that with him early on and it didn't work. I'm guessing they may have aged the teens again because of the darker stories fearing the backlash they will get will be worse if they are all set at 15/16. I don't think it makes a difference because the backlash will and is the same. I just like that we got an actual party today with drinking. It was the most realistic I've seen the teens as opposed to that lame New Year's Eve deal they had. Not saying I endorse teenage drinking because I don't but we all know it happens and if your going to play all of this realistically, it should be included. Only thing I wish they did today was avoid showing the room the party was in. The show is on a budget. I get it. I know they can't have a hundred extras. However, you can make the party give off the appearance that it's packed if you use more closeup, tight shots and avoid showing the entire room. They didn't do that and, as a result, the party didn't look the part, so to speak. I did enjoy the action there and the setup for Joey going after Ava and the Ciara/Claire/Theo/Chase stuff. VJ has really improved of late and KP is coming into his own too now that he actually has stuff to do. All these teens now are improving IMO now that we are actually getting more insight into them and they are actually getting stories of their own.

I'm really curious to see what the stuff with Paul is about. I liked the scenes with Lani and him reaching out to Henry (I believe that is his name) was interesting.

The Belle stuff has been so much better lately. We are getting insight and her relationship with Philip today was shown to have more depth. I liked the scenes today. Even the stuff with Deimos came off better today.

Loved Hope bringing up Eric and I finally am recognizing Hope again. It really helps having her in mom mode right now.

The setup with Steve/Kayla/Ava was good. TB was good in that last scene and I love how they set up the ending with Joey pulling the fire alarm to be able to sneak in Ava's room. Litle stuff like that helps.
I wonder if they are going to have Paul become a counselor for teens or at risk youths.
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I hated the ending. It's bad enough that he's going to kill her, I didn't need to see the start of it. Another sick flashback we'll probably see for weeks/months.
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Poor Joey, because being drunk or high is always a perfectly valid excuse for commiting murder....... :rolleyes:
If you actually read my post, you would have seen I said he is responsible for his actions. You seem content with taking cheap shots. And I won't lie, I can't wait until Chase is gone. I've never had any use for him nor Aiden. I am looking forward to them being history.
So Chase has no excuse, but Joey may have been drunk or high....what am I missing? I guess I missed the cheap shot too, unless disagreeing with a statement suddenly qualifies. I would think Andre's mind games would be just as valid of a mitigating circumstance. Chase has just experienced incredible trauma & essentially has no one but Hope (who he fears is a burden to). Joey has two parents that still wipe his nose for him & was throwing a tantrum that a woman he was trying to bed played him & his family. Chase owns his actions & feels remorse. All indications are Joey let's mommy & daddy clean up his mess. So if I'm going to say they both own their actions but.......Chase has a hell of alot more "buts" than Joey.

No worries, that's kind of how I felt about Bo, so I get it. The difference is, I think Aiden's time in Salem is just getting started.......
Edited by DaysFan2009, Feb 25 2016, 03:31 PM.
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If you actually read my post, you would have seen I said he is responsible for his actions. You seem content with taking cheap shots. And I won't lie, I can't wait until Chase is gone. I've never had any use for him nor Aiden. I am looking forward to them being history.
So Chase has no excuse, but Joey may have been drunk or high....what am I missing? I guess I missed the cheap shot too, unless disagreeing with a statement suddenly qualifies. I would think Andre's mind games would be just as valid of a mitigating circumstance. Chase has just experienced incredible trauma & essentially has no one but Hope (who he fears is a burden to). Joey has two parents that still wipe his nose for him & was throwing a tantrum that a woman he was trying to bed played him & his family. Chase owns his actions & feels remorse. All indications are Joey let's mommy & daddy clean up his mess. So if I'm going to say they both own their actions but.......Chase has a he'll of alot more "buts" than Joey.

No worries, that's kind of how I felt about Bo, so I get it. The difference is, I think Aiden's time in Salem is just getting started.......
:facepalm: Think what you want about Aiden, but you're in for a rude awakening.
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Last time they had this much focus on teens was the silly "the kids search for Alice's ruby" story which dominated an entire summer and totally tanked the ratings.
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So Chase has no excuse, but Joey may have been drunk or high....what am I missing? I guess I missed the cheap shot too, unless disagreeing with a statement suddenly qualifies. I would think Andre's mind games would be just as valid of a mitigating circumstance. Chase has just experienced incredible trauma & essentially has no one but Hope (who he fears is a burden to). Joey has two parents that still wipe his nose for him & was throwing a tantrum that a woman he was trying to bed played him & his family. Chase owns his actions & feels remorse. All indications are Joey let's mommy & daddy clean up his mess. So if I'm going to say they both own their actions but.......Chase has a he'll of alot more "buts" than Joey.

No worries, that's kind of how I felt about Bo, so I get it. The difference is, I think Aiden's time in Salem is just getting started.......
:facepalm: Think what you want about Aiden, but you're in for a rude awakening.
I guess unless on writes for the show, is privy to well kept BTS secrets, or is clairvoyant there is no way to know for sure, but since there have been some clues about the length of time he has been filming, a body double seemingly used for his return, Rope appearing to be a fail, & the appearance that KA seemed to genuinely enjoy Haiden, I'm pretty optimistic. Would love to see Jason's imposter Aiden theory play out.
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Feb 25 2016, 02:42 PM
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Feb 25 2016, 12:39 PM
Joey is home drunk talking to Steve. He hates Ava
Joey had been drinking at the party and he and Jade left. Then Joey went home and before going inside he took some pills. After Steve told him what happened that day (with A) Joey was upset.
A hearty welcome back to the pills of redemption.
I thought he took pills - but they could have been breath mints like a poster above mentioned.
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