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Thursday, February 25th Episode Discussion
Topic Started: Feb 24 2016, 06:48 PM (17,447 Views)
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Feb 25 2016, 03:41 PM
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A hearty welcome back to the pills of redemption.
I thought he took pills - but they could have been breath mints like a poster above mentioned.
It looked like breath mints to me.
Joey seemed to know what he was doing. :shrug:
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:facepalm: Think what you want about Aiden, but you're in for a rude awakening.
I guess unless on writes for the show, is privy to well kept BTS secrets, or is clairvoyant there is no way to know for sure, but since there have been some clues about the length of time he has been filming, a body double seemingly used for his return, Rope appearing to be a fail, & the appearance that KA seemed to genuinely enjoy Haiden, I'm pretty optimistic. Would love to see Jason's imposter Aiden theory play out.
Murderers jail sentences are usually longer than rapists .... Happy? KA is happy and loves DC... Happy?? DC/Aiden will be on the show until cancelled...which will be next year.... Happy!!! :frustration: :frustration: :frustration:
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Feb 25 2016, 12:39 PM
Joey is home drunk talking to Steve. He hates Ava
Joey had been drinking at the party and he and Jade left. Then Joey went home and before going inside he took some pills. After Steve told him what happened that day (with A) Joey was upset.
I thought Joey put sveral breath mints in his mouth so his parents wouldn`t smell alcohol on his breath.
Yes I believe you are right. I misread the scene.
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Director: Grant A. Johnson
Scriptwriter: Jeanne Marie Ford



Segment 1 Ava freaks out - Get her away from me. She's trying to kill me again. Roman - Easy! Ava - You are her brother. You don't want to think Sweetness is anything but, but she stuck a needle full of morphine right here in my arm. Steve - ? ? Kayla would ever do a thing like that. Ava - You saw her attack me at Horton Square earlier. I want to press charges and I want her thrown in jail. Kayla - You are a lying psychopath ... Roman has to hold her back - Kayla! Calm down.

Vic and Belle are sitting at a table at The Edge having a drink. Vic - Tell me the truth Belle, why do you really want to buy this place. Belle - It's a business transaction. I don't need to discuss my personal motives with you. Vic - Your personal motives wouldn't happen to involve my son would they?

Deimos opens his hotel room door to Philip. What do you want? Phil - Uncle, you've taken everything from me and now I need your help.

Ciara is sleeping in Alice's chair. She dreams about her conversation with Chase before the rape and then the rape. She wakes up - No. Hope - Ciara, are you okay? Did you have a bad dream. It's alright honey, I'm here. You have nothing to be afraid of now. Andre DiMera has been arrested. He won't be able to hurt you ... Ciara - Mom, that's not what I'm afraid of.

Chase sleeps in the dungeon. He sits up. Okay Andre where the hell are you. He puts his jacket on and leaves.

Belle - Why would you think this has anything to do with Philip. Vic - Well I'm sure he's told you that he and I had a falling out. Belle - Yes. Vic - And I imagine that he prevailed on you to go after something that is mine. Belle - No and for the record Philip and I are not seeing each other anymore. Vic - Good. Belle - You know Victor if things are that bad between you and Philip I'm wondering why you care. I can see that you're hurt but you should know that Philip loves you very much. Vic - Philip betrayed me in the most egregious way. I don't think that's anything that I could ever forgive.

Deimos - So your father disowned you, fired you, cut you out of his will. Phil - I never wanted to hurt my father, you know that. But why wouldn't he believe I betrayed him, everything I say has to be put to the test and I finally realised I never can pass no matter what I do. Deimos - You chose the wrong ally. Phil - What are you talking about! I was blackmailed into allying myself with you. It was hardly a choice. Deimos - Oh well, it's all irrelevant now, isn't it? But I'm guessing your point is you never wanted to hurt your father before but maybe now you do. Phil - There's no maybes about it, that's why I'm here.

Hope - Who are you afraid of? Ciara - Never mind. Hope - Honey is this about when Stefano's men kidnapped you. Baby Stefano is gone, Andre's off the streets, we don't have to look over our shoulders anymore. We can get rid of the guards. Ciara I'm so sorry for all of this. Ciara - It's not your fault. I'm okay, I just had a bad dream. Hope - Okay, how about some hot chocolate then. I have this little marshmallows, what do you say? Ciara - Okay. Hope - I'll be right back. Ciara gets a text from Theo - Are you OK??


Segment 2 Roman returns to Ava's room. Ava - Thank you for getting her out of here. I suppose it's too much to ask to have your sister arrested and throw away ... Roman - Shut the hell up. Ava - I am the victim here. Roman - You're the victim right? Ava - Yeah. Roman - Okay, you agreed to hop on a plane and leave Salem. Why'd you give JJ the slip and go to Steve and Kayla's house if you're not looking for trouble. Ava - I just wanted to talk to Patch. We lost a son together Det. Brady and he is not just going to forget him and he's not going to forget me either. Roman - Oh I bet he won't. Ava - And to tell you the truth he drives Kayla crazy and she's not going to be satisfied until I am dead ... Roman - Ava, Ava. Do me a favour and explain to me how Kayla attacked you with a hypodermic and why she would call 911 if she wants you dead. Ava - Probably because Patch walked in otherwise she would have left me there to die. Roman laughs - Really! I don't believe that for a second and nobody else will. Ava - Okay Detective then tell me how did I get those drugs. I was in protective custody. Weren't you doing your job. I certainly can't go and write a prescription for morphine but your sister on the other hand, she is a doctor. Roman - You have an answer for everything, don't you? Ava - It's true and if you don't take me seriously I will go above your head and I will find someone who does.

Jade and Joey are at this party. The music is playing, the booze is flowing. Kids are dancing. Jade and Joey are so over high school. Jade asks if some little cheerleader broke his heart. Joey says no she was way older. That was the biggest mistake of my life. She's insane. She used me to try and ruin my parent's marriage. I've never hated anyone as much as I hate her.

Belle - I'm sorry to hear that. So are you willing to sell or not? Vic - Well I need proof that you can come up with the money. Belle - I'll pay you cash, how's that? I've recently come into a large sum of money and my goal is to invest it in my family's future. Vic - Interesting. I heard that Stefano recently lost a great deal of money; that your sister Sami may have had something to do with it. Wouldn't be any chance that's where this capital is coming from, would it? Belle - If it were would that be a deal breaker? Vic - Of course not. If anything it sweetens the deal. Congratulations on your new club. I'll have my lawyers draw up the papers. He leaves. Belle calls Claire and asks her to come to The Edge of the Square. I have a huge surprise for you.

Deimos - Give me one reason why I should trust you now. Phil - I can't but I also know how badly you want to bring down my father. I'm not asking you to believe my words, only my deeds. He pulls out a folded document and puts it down. That's the formula for the Topics Disease serum. You wanted it, I got it for you.


Segment 3 Belle hugs Claire - Thanks for meeting me. Can I get you a drink on the house. Claire - A gin and tonic and what do you mean on the house. Belle - I mean that I own this place, well I'm about to. Claire - A nightclub, why? Belle - It's for you. You've been working so hard on your singing and I just thought this would be the best venue for you when you're ready. Claire - What! Belle - I mean if singing is your true passion I want to do everything I can to help make those dreams come true. You're happy right? Claire - Mom I know that you're trying to do a nice thing and you're trying to support me. Belle - But? Claire - Mom if you think you need to buy me a place to perform than I guess you don't have any confidence that I can do it on my own. Belle - Oh honey of course I do. I'm just trying to make things easier. Claire - No you're trying to buy back my love and trust. Belle - That is not true. Claire - Yeah Mom, you've barely been paying attention to me for a very long time and you think it's that easy to make it up to me. Belle - Claire I'm trying my best but it just seems like there's nothing I can do to make you happy. Claire - No, this isn't about me. This is about you telling yourself that you're a good Mom and feeling less guilty for ruining our lives. Belle - I love you Claire. I'm sorry you don't seem to have any idea how much. She gets up and walks away.

Hope - You know what I feel like now ... how about some cookies and some ice cream to go with it. Ciara - Okay. Hope - I'll be right back. Ciara goes to the mantle and looks at a recent photo of her with her parents and her brother Shawn (Jason Cook's Shawn). She gets a text from Claire - Going to an awesome kickback!! Come with me? She replies - I'm in. Hope returns - Look, your favourites. Chocolate chip, chocolate gelato. Ciara - Sorry to do this to you Mom but you're going to have to eat all those on your own. Claire just texted me and invited me to a party. She's going to pick me up in a few. Hope - Oh. Ciara - What? I thought you said Andre's in jail, everything's okay now. Hope - It is. When I walked in on you and Theo earlier ... Ciara - Come on Mom, you're going to ground me now! That's not fair. Hope - Just listen to me okay. I need you to promise me that you'll be responsible. Drinking is not going to take your problems away, it'll only make them worse. Ciara - Okay. Hope - Look what happened to your cousin Eric. Ciara - Mom I've heard this lecture ... Hope - Ciara Alice do not be dismissive about this. I take this very seriously and so should you. Tell me you will not drink tonight. Ciara - Fine, I get it, I won't. Hope - And if anyone else is drinking I want you to leave okay ... I mean it. Ciara - Mom, I will. Hope - I'm trusting you. I want you back by midnight. Ciara hugs her - You're the best Mom. Thank you. Hope - Take care.

Kayla and Steve return home. Steve - I can go if you want me to, throw some things in a bag. Kayla - I understand why you did what you did, it's just going to take me a long time to get past it. Steve - I know. Kayla - And as long as Ava is out there I'd feel better if you stayed here. Steve reaches for her - So would I. Kayla pulls back - That doesn't mean I want you touching me. You can sleep on the couch.

Hope lets Claire in. Hi honey, so where's the party? Claire - You know Nancy Green, right. Hope - Yeah, she and Ciara have been friends for years. Claire - Yeah. It's her birthday so the party's at her house and don't worry, her parents will be there. Hope - Great, music to my ears. Ciara comes down, she has finally changed. Claire - You look fabulous. Can Ciara spend the night? Please, I really need to talk to her. Hope - Why don't you spend the night at our house. Claire - Okay yeah. Hope - So have a great time and be careful. Ciara - I will. Hope - And no drinking. Ciara - Okay. Outside Claire tells Ciara she's so glad she could come tonight. I just had this huge fight with my Mom. Ciara - Sorry. Sorry you're stuck being DD because I'm going to get trashed.


Segment 4 Hope opens the door to Theo. Hi honey, how are you. Come in. Theo - Good. I'm looking for Ciara. Hope - Oh honey you just missed her. She just left with Claire. Theo - Where? Hope - Party for Nancy Green, it's her birthday. Theo - Oh I didn't know that. Hope - I'm guessing you probably texted Ciara before showing up here. Theo - She didn't answer. Hope - Are you worried about her? Is there something going on with Ciara that I should know about. Theo - Ciara's fine, she told me so. He leaves.

Claire and Ciara arrive at the party. Ciara - I thought you said we were going to Nancy's birthday party. Claire - I don't even know Nancy. I was just telling your Mom what she wanted to hear. Ciara - I hate this place. Claire - Why? Ciara - It's dark and creepy. Claire - Do you want to leave? Ciara - No it's okay. Joey and Jade are dancing. He drops his beer bottle and it breaks. Damn it! He starts picking up the glass but cuts himself. Jade gets a cloth to put on the cut. He stares at her and he sees Ava and pulls his hand away. Jade - Let me help. Joey snaps - You can't, nobody can. I've got to get out of here. Ciara and Claire watch him take off.

Paul is at The Edge sitting at the bar having a drink. Lani comes in - Paul Narita. Paul - That's right. Lani - Lani Price, Officer Price to you. I should have you arrested. Paul - Um, why? Lani - The last time you tossed a no hitter my windshield was shattered by a disgruntled fan and I hold you responsible. Paul - I'm sorry to hear that. Maybe I can make restitution here and buy you a drink. Lani - Maybe and an autographed baseball for my little brother. Paul - As long as he's not a Marlin's fan. He might end up putting it through my window. Lani - You don't have to worry. He knows your stats for every year you were in college, the minors, the majors. Paul - Wow! I only know one kid that knows that. Does your brother happen to be Theo Carver? Lani - Yep that's him. Paul - That's amazing. Theo's a great kid. Lani - Yeah he's pretty great. I was going to get him to help me pick my Fantasy league but he's been pretty distracted lately. Paul - How come? Lani - The same thing that gets most guys his age, a girl.

Theo runs into some teens in the square and asks them if they know where Nancy Green's house is, there's a party there. Guy - No one's there. They're all at the pier in the warehouse on 78. You should check it out. Theo - I'm just looking for Ciara. Guy - She's probably there, everyone is. Theo - Not everyone. Guy - We're on our way, party doesn't start without us dude. Theo follows them. Chase steps out from behind the tree.

Deimos is going through the document. Of course I'm going to have to authenticate these. Phil - They're the real deal, trust me. I wouldn't be stupid enough to ... Deimos - What, lie to me. You had these all along, didn't you? Which means you've been lying to me, stringing me along for months. Phil - Old news and I'm sorry. Deimos - Of course you are. Phil - I am. I was wrong to think I owed my father any loyalty when he has none to me. Do you know what he wanted me to do! Deimos - What? Phil - He said in order to earn his forgiveness I would have to spy on you for him. Deimos - Maybe that's exactly what you're doing right now. Phil - No I know how dangerous you can be. So does my Dad, obviously he doesn't care what happens to me. Deimos - If I'm so dangerous why do you want to work with me? Phil - I'd rather be on the winning side of things and that's going to be your side, especially with my help. Deimos - So you'd like to resume our previous arrangement. Phil - Minus the threats and blackmail would be nice. Deimos - You've already given me what I wanted, what could you possibly give me now? Phil - You don't know my father like I do, that's why you came to me to begin with. It's my offer, take it or leave it. Phil leaves. Deimos makes a call - Yes I want you to follow Philip Kiriakis. Let me know what he's up to.


Segment 5 Kayla suggests to Steve that he use 2 pillows if he doesn't want to be stiff tomorrow. I slept on it many times waiting for Joey. Steve - Well he's not going to be too happy to find me here. Kayla - No. Goodnight. Steve - Goodnight. Joe comes home and sees his Dad sitting on the couch. He pops some breath mints and goes inside. Steve - Joe. Joe - What are you doing here, I thought Mom kicked you out on your ass. Steve - Well we had a pretty rough afternoon here. Ava broke into the house and your Mom found her unconscious on the floor here. She OD'd. Joe - OMG. Steve - She's okay. Joe - I can't believe she tried to kill herself. Steve - She didn't try to kill herself, she was trying to set your Mom up for attempted murder. Joe - I hate her so much. I can't believe I ever thought that ... Steve - Hey, it's going to be okay. Your Uncle Roman knows Ava was lying. Your Mom is going to be fine. Joe - How! None of us are ever going to be fine again, don't you see that because no matter what we do Ava always wins. I'm tired of letting her control our lives.

Theo shows up at the party and sees Ciara and Claire dancing. Claire give him a hug - Theo, I totally would have invited you but I didn't think this was your scene. Theo - It's not. Claire - I'll go get you a drink. Theo - Soda. Claire - Okay. Theo asks Ciara why she keeps ignoring his texts. Ciara - I'm just tired of you asking if I'm worried, it kind of gets boring. Theo - Sorry I don't mean to bore you. Ciara - You don't, I just get bored of you asking if I'm worried, you know. I mean lately anyway. Theo - I'll remember that. Ciara - Don't get mad, dance with me. Theo - I'm not a good dancer. Ciara - Not true. Fine, don't dance, don't drink. You might as well go home. Chase walks in but stays in the shadows watching.

Phil sees Belle sitting at a table alone in the square. Are you okay? Belle - Yeah. Phil - No, you want to talk about it. Belle - It wouldn't be fair to cry on your shoulder after I just asked you for space. Phil - Because you were worried about your daughter. Something happened with Claire, didn't it? Belle - I'm no Mom of the year but I am trying. When she was little I just had to sing some silly song and I'd get the biggest smile, now I just feel like there's nothing I can do to make her understand how much I love her. Or maybe she just doesn't care. Phil - I'm sure that's not true. You remember what is was like when we were that age. Belle - I adored my Mom, still do. Why couldn't I be more like her. Phil - I'm glad you are who you are. Belle - I should go. Phil - Is it okay if I walk with you. He holds out his hand. She takes it. Phil - Don't ever forget how special you are okay. They kiss.


Segment 6 Belle finally breaks the kiss. OMG, I'm sorry. Phil - Why? Belle - Because I'm sending you all these mixed signals and Claire too. She just needs to know that I'm putting her first. Phil - What does that have to do with me? You're not going back to Shawn, right? She has to learn to live with that. Belle - I know but I ... Phil - It doesn't help to lie to her or to yourself. Belle - What does that mean? Phil - You want me as much as I want you, admit it.

Paul - So this girl Theo likes, is it mutual? Lani - Apparently not. I mean not yet anyway. Paul - If it doesn't work out he's probably going to be thinking about a different girl next week. Lani - No you don't know Theo, he kind of obsesses about stuff. I worry about him because he ... Paul - Why? Lani - He has autism. He hasn't been part of my life very long but he is the most loyal, straight up honest person you'll ever meet. He's been through a lot and if anyone ever tries to mess with him they'll be the one hurting.

Chase stalks, Theo stands back. Claire - What happened with Theo? Ciara - He wasn't into the party. Claire looks around. Ciara - Who are you looking for? Claire - I was hoping Chase might be here. Ciara - Why? Claire - Because he's out there somewhere alone. Wouldn't it be nice if he found a warm place, something to eat. Ciara - If he shows up I'm leaving. Claire - Why? Chase skulks nearby. Ciara - Do you know how worried my Mom's been since he ran away. Claire - She'd probably be a lot less worried if he came home. Ciara - I don't want him there. Claire - Why? Ciara - Because I hate him. Claire - What did he do to you. A fight breaks out. Theo tries to break it up. Ciara watches Theo, Chase watches Ciara. Claire - Ciara, come on, let's go. They take off. Chase comes out on to the pier and watches them.

Joe comes to the hospital floor where Ava is. He pulls the fire alarm. The cop guarding Ava checks on her and then makes a call about the fire alarm. While he's on his cell Joey slips into Ava's room. Ava - Joey. Joey - You bitch. God I hate you more than I can say. You used me to get my parents back together just so you could tear them apart. Why can't you leave us the hell alone. There's only one way to get rid of you.


Segment 7 Phil crawls into bed with Belle. Are you sure? Belle - I don't know. Phil - I have known you since we played in the sandbox at preschool and I had a mad crush on you even then. Belle - Is that why you pulled my pigtails and made me cry all the time? Phil - Got your attention, didn't I? Belle - Yeah, you've always been pretty good at that. Phil - I can wait as long as you need me to. Belle kisses him. Phil pulls back. Belle - What? Phil - I just want to look at you. This is right. This is where we belong. Kiss.

Paul is walking through the square and one of the kids that was in the fight (the one the other boy called a gay person) bumps into him. Paul asks if he's okay. What happened? Guy - It's nothing. Paul - No, I can tell you're really upset. Talk to me please, whatever it is I can help.

Claire - And if your Mom asks where my car is. Ciara - I'll tell her it didn't start and we'll get it in the morning. Ciara finds a note. She's not even here, she went to get some food. Claire - Good I'm starving. Oh what were you going to tell me before about why you hate Chase. Ciara is asleep in Alice's chair. Claire pulls out her phone. Chase peers through the front room window.

Ava - Joe, what are you doing. Joe turns off the monitor. Ava watches him. Joe yanks a pillow from under her head and smothers her. Ava struggles and screams but he holds the pillow firmly over her face.
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Seriously, what does one thing have to do with the other? Joey killing Ava doesn't make Chase suddenly a good guy for raping Ciara. And Chase raping Ciara doesn't make Joey right for killing Ava.

And I guess if Andre manipulating Chase gives him an out, then everything Ava did to Joey and his family gives him an out. Or, maybe, neither of them deserve an out and it's crappy writing.
Nope, but if Joey is deserving of redemption, then so is Chase, and if one deserves to spend his life in prison, then so does the other. No double standard is applicable here. I predict that while Chase has genuine remorse for what he did, Joey will be perfectly content to let mommy & daddy make excuses for him & be too much of a coward to own his actions. I guess if Chase goes to prison there will be a cell right next to him with the oh so deserving Johnson FAMILY name on it.
Nobody "deserves" redemption on a soap. Characters get it or don't get it based on popularity of the character, the actor, or the desire of a writer for a particular story. But Chase doesn't "deserve" it any more than Joey "deserves" it. It all depends on what story the writers want to write.

And you can predict all you want about Chase and Joey. The writers will write what they will write. You can like it or not, but the son of a supercouple has a much better shot at a redemption story than the a character with no family ties to the canvas, so my money's on Joey. But showing remorse isn't the same as owning up to his actions. I haven't seen Chase run down to the cop shop and turn himself in for his crime yet. He seems perfectly content to let Andre take care of him. Doesn't seem all that different to me.

And if you really can't see the difference between Chase raping Ciara - a young, innocent girl - and Joey - in a drunken state - murdering the woman who used him, kidnapped his mother, forced his father to have sex with her, and then tried to frame his mother for attempted murder, then I don't know what to tell you. It's like saying that Ben killing Will and Hope killing Stefano are exactly the same thing. They are certainly both murder, but the mental states and motivations are entirely different.
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Is it really the same day?
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I do think the stories and motivations are somewhat the sames in Josh Griffith's mind. 2 young hormonal teen boys have their first crush but they get turned down. Chase and Joey were both frustrated and "acted out" by committing an awful crime. The weird thing is I don't think either Chase or Joey are written as bad people. But how many teen boys would act that way when things don't work out with their first crush? That's not normal but it feels like it is for Griffith.
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If you actually read my post, you would have seen I said he is responsible for his actions. You seem content with taking cheap shots. And I won't lie, I can't wait until Chase is gone. I've never had any use for him nor Aiden. I am looking forward to them being history.
So Chase has no excuse, but Joey may have been drunk or high....what am I missing? I guess I missed the cheap shot too, unless disagreeing with a statement suddenly qualifies. I would think Andre's mind games would be just as valid of a mitigating circumstance. Chase has just experienced incredible trauma & essentially has no one but Hope (who he fears is a burden to). Joey has two parents that still wipe his nose for him & was throwing a tantrum that a woman he was trying to bed played him & his family. Chase owns his actions & feels remorse. All indications are Joey let's mommy & daddy clean up his mess. So if I'm going to say they both own their actions but.......Chase has a hell of alot more "buts" than Joey.

No worries, that's kind of how I felt about Bo, so I get it. The difference is, I think Aiden's time in Salem is just getting started.......
I know you don't like Bo, fair enough, but what did Stayla or their fans ever do to Aiden, Chase (or you)?
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It doesn't bother me that Joey kills Ava. Like...I'm ready to give him a medal. I am so over this story.
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I do think the stories and motivations are somewhat the sames in Josh Griffith's mind. 2 young hormonal teen boys have their first crush but they get turned down. Chase and Joey were both frustrated and "acted out" by committing an awful crime. The weird thing is I don't think either Chase or Joey are written as bad people. But how many teen boys would act that way when things don't work out with their first crush? That's not normal but it feels like it is for Griffith.
I think there's a little more difference than that. Joey didn't kill Ava because she dumped him. He wasn't just frustrated because she didn't want him. The woman terrorized his family. His feelings for her and the way she used him may have certainly played a part, but he didn't turn into a murderer because he was rejected.
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I was about to be really snarky about Victor finding out where Belle got that money immediately, and then he straight up called her out on it. THANK YOU. Might be the best Victor moment in years.
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Hey teenaged daughter. This is mom. Meet me at the bar.
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Shocker. Hope wants food.
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Nope, but if Joey is deserving of redemption, then so is Chase, and if one deserves to spend his life in prison, then so does the other. No double standard is applicable here. I predict that while Chase has genuine remorse for what he did, Joey will be perfectly content to let mommy & daddy make excuses for him & be too much of a coward to own his actions. I guess if Chase goes to prison there will be a cell right next to him with the oh so deserving Johnson FAMILY name on it.
Nobody "deserves" redemption on a soap. Characters get it or don't get it based on popularity of the character, the actor, or the desire of a writer for a particular story. But Chase doesn't "deserve" it any more than Joey "deserves" it. It all depends on what story the writers want to write.

And you can predict all you want about Chase and Joey. The writers will write what they will write. You can like it or not, but the son of a supercouple has a much better shot at a redemption story than the a character with no family ties to the canvas, so my money's on Joey. But showing remorse isn't the same as owning up to his actions. I haven't seen Chase run down to the cop shop and turn himself in for his crime yet. He seems perfectly content to let Andre take care of him. Doesn't seem all that different to me.

And if you really can't see the difference between Chase raping Ciara - a young, innocent girl - and Joey - in a drunken state - murdering the woman who used him, kidnapped his mother, forced his father to have sex with her, and then tried to frame his mother for attempted murder, then I don't know what to tell you. It's like saying that Ben killing Will and Hope killing Stefano are exactly the same thing. They are certainly both murder, but the mental states and motivations are entirely different.
Joey must think pretty clearly for a drunk. That fire alarm plan of his was pretty clever. He sure didn't look too intoxicated to me. I guess if commiting murder in an intoxicated state absolves you of responsibility we better get ready for a mass exodus from prisons across America. Sorry, no sympathy for "poor wittle Joey" & Stayla can rot in prison right next to him
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Feb 25 2016, 04:09 PM
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Feb 25 2016, 03:29 PM
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Feb 25 2016, 03:09 PM

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So Chase has no excuse, but Joey may have been drunk or high....what am I missing? I guess I missed the cheap shot too, unless disagreeing with a statement suddenly qualifies. I would think Andre's mind games would be just as valid of a mitigating circumstance. Chase has just experienced incredible trauma & essentially has no one but Hope (who he fears is a burden to). Joey has two parents that still wipe his nose for him & was throwing a tantrum that a woman he was trying to bed played him & his family. Chase owns his actions & feels remorse. All indications are Joey let's mommy & daddy clean up his mess. So if I'm going to say they both own their actions but.......Chase has a hell of alot more "buts" than Joey.

No worries, that's kind of how I felt about Bo, so I get it. The difference is, I think Aiden's time in Salem is just getting started.......
I know you don't like Bo, fair enough, but what did Stayla or their fans ever do to Aiden, Chase (or you)?
Since we are asking questions, I would like to know what Bo did.
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There's a teenager named Nancy. I bet she's related to Bev.
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I liked Aiden at one time but I hope to hell his return is short lived and it's just his ghost. :drunk:
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Well there was no mention of Daniel today so the episode has that going for it.
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Feb 25 2016, 04:10 PM
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Feb 25 2016, 04:07 PM
I do think the stories and motivations are somewhat the sames in Josh Griffith's mind. 2 young hormonal teen boys have their first crush but they get turned down. Chase and Joey were both frustrated and "acted out" by committing an awful crime. The weird thing is I don't think either Chase or Joey are written as bad people. But how many teen boys would act that way when things don't work out with their first crush? That's not normal but it feels like it is for Griffith.
I think there's a little more difference than that. Joey didn't kill Ava because she dumped him. He wasn't just frustrated because she didn't want him. The woman terrorized his family. His feelings for her and the way she used him may have certainly played a part, but he didn't turn into a murderer because he was rejected.
It didn't feel to me like a heroic act to save his parents. He was mostly angry that she played him and used him. But whatever, arguing about this is a waste of time because the writing is so bad that nothing the characters do makes sense anymore. It's a pile of shit. I don't understand how writers like Griffith and Higley can get their bad stories approved by the producers, the studios and the network. I guess nobody cares about the show on a creative standpoint, except the fans.
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