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Thursday, February 25th Episode Discussion
Topic Started: Feb 24 2016, 06:48 PM (17,446 Views)
lysie


The SOD ad from two weeks ago that aired early just aired on NBC.
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DaysFan2009
Feb 25 2016, 04:19 PM
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Feb 25 2016, 03:57 PM
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Feb 25 2016, 02:48 PM

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Nobody "deserves" redemption on a soap. Characters get it or don't get it based on popularity of the character, the actor, or the desire of a writer for a particular story. But Chase doesn't "deserve" it any more than Joey "deserves" it. It all depends on what story the writers want to write.

And you can predict all you want about Chase and Joey. The writers will write what they will write. You can like it or not, but the son of a supercouple has a much better shot at a redemption story than the a character with no family ties to the canvas, so my money's on Joey. But showing remorse isn't the same as owning up to his actions. I haven't seen Chase run down to the cop shop and turn himself in for his crime yet. He seems perfectly content to let Andre take care of him. Doesn't seem all that different to me.

And if you really can't see the difference between Chase raping Ciara - a young, innocent girl - and Joey - in a drunken state - murdering the woman who used him, kidnapped his mother, forced his father to have sex with her, and then tried to frame his mother for attempted murder, then I don't know what to tell you. It's like saying that Ben killing Will and Hope killing Stefano are exactly the same thing. They are certainly both murder, but the mental states and motivations are entirely different.
Joey must think pretty clearly for a drunk. That fire alarm plan of his was pretty clever. He sure didn't look too intoxicated to me. I guess if commiting murder in an intoxicated state absolves you of responsibility we better get ready for a mass exodus from prisons across America. Sorry, no sympathy for "poor wittle Joey" & Stayla can rot in prison right next to him
LOL, I've done a lot of things drunk that I wouldn't have done sober (thankfully, murdering somebody isn't one of them). Pulling a fire alarm isn't that difficult of a task. Intoxication doesn't render you incapable of coming up with a plan, but it can hinder your ability to recognize just how bad of a plan it might be.

And where did I say that it absolved anybody of responsibility? It's a mitigating circumstance, as is everything Ava did to his family. But that doesn't mean he doesn't bear responsibility for his actions. He does and I hope the show deals with that and the impact on him.

I don't really care if you have sympathy for Joey or Steve and Kayla for that matter. I don't figure your sympathy or lack thereof is likely to affect where this story is going.
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Amazee-Dayzee


What is with this show and having the good guys murder the villains? Do they really think that this is what we want to watch right now? First Hope murders Stefano and now we have drunk Joey smothering Ava to death. There really is no words that I can say right now. Two members of the same family becoming murderers in a short time span is just ridiculous. Especially since the Bradys are supposed to be the heroic family. I just can't.
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lysie


LOL @ Claire being the better liar. Didn't see that coming. This dancing though...
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Hugo
Feb 25 2016, 04:25 PM
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Feb 25 2016, 04:10 PM
Hugo
Feb 25 2016, 04:07 PM
I do think the stories and motivations are somewhat the sames in Josh Griffith's mind. 2 young hormonal teen boys have their first crush but they get turned down. Chase and Joey were both frustrated and "acted out" by committing an awful crime. The weird thing is I don't think either Chase or Joey are written as bad people. But how many teen boys would act that way when things don't work out with their first crush? That's not normal but it feels like it is for Griffith.
I think there's a little more difference than that. Joey didn't kill Ava because she dumped him. He wasn't just frustrated because she didn't want him. The woman terrorized his family. His feelings for her and the way she used him may have certainly played a part, but he didn't turn into a murderer because he was rejected.
It didn't feel to me like a heroic act to save his parents. He was mostly angry that she played him and used him. But whatever, arguing about this is a waste of time because the writing is so bad that nothing the characters do makes sense anymore. It's a pile of shit. I don't understand how writers like Griffith and Higley can get their bad stories approved by the producers, the studios and the network. I guess nobody cares about the show on a creative standpoint, except the fans.
I didn't say it was a heroic act to save anybody. Joey absolutely was angry. My point was that his anger wasn't just driven by Ava rejecting him. It was also clearly driven by everything Ava did to his family and the way she used him to help do it. Didn't say there was anything heroic about it.
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lysie


Hey Paul is in this episode.
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lysie


This isn't the most natural scene in the world, but I do think it's cute that Paul figured out Theo was Lani's brother.
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lysie
Feb 25 2016, 04:30 PM
This isn't the most natural scene in the world, but I do think it's cute that Paul figured out Theo was Lani's brother.
He's already smarter than Brady. Maybe he can be a spy
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lysie


The worst thing about Days right now is that I have 27 more hours before I can play Candy Crush again. FML.
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Higley wrote Hope murdering Stefano right? Did you write her nephew murdering Ava also?
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Feb 25 2016, 03:57 PM
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Feb 25 2016, 02:48 PM
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Feb 25 2016, 02:05 PM

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Nope, but if Joey is deserving of redemption, then so is Chase, and if one deserves to spend his life in prison, then so does the other. No double standard is applicable here. I predict that while Chase has genuine remorse for what he did, Joey will be perfectly content to let mommy & daddy make excuses for him & be too much of a coward to own his actions. I guess if Chase goes to prison there will be a cell right next to him with the oh so deserving Johnson FAMILY name on it.
Nobody "deserves" redemption on a soap. Characters get it or don't get it based on popularity of the character, the actor, or the desire of a writer for a particular story. But Chase doesn't "deserve" it any more than Joey "deserves" it. It all depends on what story the writers want to write.

And you can predict all you want about Chase and Joey. The writers will write what they will write. You can like it or not, but the son of a supercouple has a much better shot at a redemption story than the a character with no family ties to the canvas, so my money's on Joey. But showing remorse isn't the same as owning up to his actions. I haven't seen Chase run down to the cop shop and turn himself in for his crime yet. He seems perfectly content to let Andre take care of him. Doesn't seem all that different to me.

And if you really can't see the difference between Chase raping Ciara - a young, innocent girl - and Joey - in a drunken state - murdering the woman who used him, kidnapped his mother, forced his father to have sex with her, and then tried to frame his mother for attempted murder, then I don't know what to tell you. It's like saying that Ben killing Will and Hope killing Stefano are exactly the same thing. They are certainly both murder, but the mental states and motivations are entirely different.
Personally I do not care if a character is the child of an old super couple from back in the day, he or she will not receive a free card if the character is not interesting enough. IMO, with that said, I think the whole teen group is boring as hell, and none of these characters has the IT factor. Chase, Joey or whatever they commit crimes and yes the writers write what they want just a shame that they do not concentrate more on writing their characters more exciting before they write shitty stories with rape, murder etc. Then maybe I would care about their stories? If I had to choose? Both characters would then be tossed in the trash, I see nothing that appeals with the whole teenage group. Concerning Hope and her so-called motives, it has not played out well at all on screen what the other hand is played out is that she is trying to get another man convicted of a murder she committed. Hope is a dirty cop with no conscience at all. So I do not give a free card to her either.
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Thaao said Hope's murder of Stefano was Josh. Josh appears to think murder makes characters more human.
Edited by AngelaP, Feb 25 2016, 04:36 PM.
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Feb 25 2016, 04:34 PM
Higley wrote Hope murdering Stefano right? Did you write her nephew murdering Ava also?
It's hard to tell at this point. This could have been her original ending, or he could have changed it. The next few weeks should give a better indication of what he did. I'm guessing he did write Joey as the killer because he seems to want the teens to be older.
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Feb 25 2016, 04:34 PM
Higley wrote Hope murdering Stefano right? Did you write her nephew murdering Ava also?
It's all Josh since Ciara's rape last week. Before that, it was a mix of Josh and Dena, we assume he wrote a lot of September-November, and she wrote a lot of December-February but we don't really know.
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Feb 25 2016, 04:35 PM
Thaao said Hope's murder of Stefano was Josh. Josh appears to think murder makes characters more human.
I'm pretty sure Thaao was wrong. ;) IDK that the actors would know, and they attribute a lot to Josh because he's on set with them.

It's also not as cut and dry as people want to make it. Dena and Josh would have some joint plans. The fall was both of them with Josh mostly in charge. The winter was both of them with Dena mostly in charge. There aren't clear lines.
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lysie


OMG THIS DANCING.
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Theo says he's not a good dancer. Theo, honey. That clearly doesn't matter.
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lysie


I still think they're getting better with Belle's dialogue. :shrug:
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Feb 25 2016, 04:37 PM
Amazee-Dayzee
Feb 25 2016, 04:34 PM
Higley wrote Hope murdering Stefano right? Did you write her nephew murdering Ava also?
It's all Josh since Ciara's rape last week. Before that, it was a mix of Josh and Dena, we assume he wrote a lot of September-November, and she wrote a lot of December-February but we don't really know.
That's not a definite line either. Even when TomSell left we were still dealing with some things they started. And while Dena may have taken a leave of absence, her name remains in the credits so her idea may not have all ended.
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Feb 25 2016, 04:19 PM
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Feb 25 2016, 03:57 PM
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Feb 25 2016, 02:48 PM

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Nobody "deserves" redemption on a soap. Characters get it or don't get it based on popularity of the character, the actor, or the desire of a writer for a particular story. But Chase doesn't "deserve" it any more than Joey "deserves" it. It all depends on what story the writers want to write.

And you can predict all you want about Chase and Joey. The writers will write what they will write. You can like it or not, but the son of a supercouple has a much better shot at a redemption story than the a character with no family ties to the canvas, so my money's on Joey. But showing remorse isn't the same as owning up to his actions. I haven't seen Chase run down to the cop shop and turn himself in for his crime yet. He seems perfectly content to let Andre take care of him. Doesn't seem all that different to me.

And if you really can't see the difference between Chase raping Ciara - a young, innocent girl - and Joey - in a drunken state - murdering the woman who used him, kidnapped his mother, forced his father to have sex with her, and then tried to frame his mother for attempted murder, then I don't know what to tell you. It's like saying that Ben killing Will and Hope killing Stefano are exactly the same thing. They are certainly both murder, but the mental states and motivations are entirely different.
Joey must think pretty clearly for a drunk. That fire alarm plan of his was pretty clever. He sure didn't look too intoxicated to me. I guess if commiting murder in an intoxicated state absolves you of responsibility we better get ready for a mass exodus from prisons across America. Sorry, no sympathy for "poor wittle Joey" & Stayla can rot in prison right next to him
Wait if Joey, Steve and Kayla deserve prison then so should Hope, Rafe and Chase. I am so confused, how will this work out for Aiden/Haiden. They should all go to prison :)
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