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Thursday, February 25th Episode Discussion
Topic Started: Feb 24 2016, 06:48 PM (17,441 Views)
Jason47
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sway
Feb 25 2016, 05:48 PM
On Jason47 site is stated for contract list James Lastovic (Joey): March 2017.

http://www.jason47.com/days/contractstatus.html
While most are usually estimates, we know this date (March 2015-March 2017) to be accurate. There were several people who congratulated James on signing a 2-year deal on March 19. That's what I posted when I broke the news of his signing a week later. Not only did they post he signed a 2-year deal, but they also posted he'd be playing Joey Johnson. I think they both quickly deleted their posts after the news was posted here and on the other soap boards, but by then, it was too late.

Here's my original post from March 26:
http://daytimeroyaltyonline.com/single/?p=9289920&t=9229839

But, as mentioned earlier, anyone can be fired once every 13 weeks. Contracts protect the show, not the actor.
Edited by Jason47, Feb 26 2016, 12:01 AM.
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I liked Belle and Philip scenes especially after all the silliness of yesterday's conversations revolving around those involved in the Bummer storyline. Belle and Philip had substance and I appreciated how they spoke to each other. I didn't mind they ended up in bed together because of where they both are in terms of story. It worked. And, actually it was nice to see a couple being tender and making love. Romance points to Days today.

I suppose they made Ciara wear the same clothes so long to constantly remind us she was recently raped? I personally couldn't wait for her to take them off and realistically believe Ciara would have felt the same! That torn skirt should have been trashed or hidden away and we should have seen her do it immediately. Big error imo.

I like we are seeing a tight connection between Ciara and Claire. Cool liars bonding together. :blulaugh: I like both characters a lot.

Wow did Chase have the creeper vibe going for him. He's really coming off disturbed. This may go a lot darker yet.

I love Theo. I really do.

I still think Lani is boring. Sal can't deliver a line to save her life. While brief, the scene of Paul with the teen Henry was a much more interesting interaction. I have to wonder what will happen there.

Victor! Love his joy at selling the club to Belle because he knows where the money is coming from! Stupid plot to have Belle want a nightclub for her teen daughter to sing at though. Really?! Lounge singer Claire at the geriatric club Edge. Okay, sure.

Branch out Deimos! What I'm seeing is dull.

At least they tried with the kickback/rave. :shrug: It brought some amusement for sure and set up some plot movement.

Joey suffocating Ava had me laughing out loud. I can't believe this is where the story went.

I really liked Kayla and Steve's talk back at home and him getting the couch. Nice work there.

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Restless84
Feb 25 2016, 02:03 PM
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Feb 25 2016, 01:56 PM
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Feb 24 2016, 11:47 PM

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I certainly wouldn't think the obvious teen murderer would be deserving of a date either. Who knows what could happen by that time but if a cold blooded murderer can be redeemed certainly there is hope for Chase. Chase is a traumatized kid with a psychopath manipulating him. What's Joey's excuse?
Chase has no excuse. He raped Ciara all on his own.

Joey is responsible for his actions too, but he is drunk and who knows what drugs he took.
Plus, Ciara never did anything to hurt Chase.

Ava terrorized Joey's family not once, but twice, so I can sympathize with him.

As for that rapist pig, I hope Shawn D beats him to a bloody pulp. :bat:
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Feb 25 2016, 02:43 PM
Restless84
Feb 25 2016, 02:03 PM
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Feb 25 2016, 01:56 PM

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Chase has no excuse. He raped Ciara all on his own.

Joey is responsible for his actions too, but he is drunk and who knows what drugs he took.
Poor Joey, because being drunk or high is always a perfectly valid excuse for commiting murder....... :rolleyes:
:facepalm:

Joey is killing the psycho who kidnapped his mother & raped his father. Chase raped the daughter of the woman who took his sorry ass in when he had no one. The fact that Chase's daddy was a lying, greedy, attempted murderer doesn't give him a free pass. Chase is a rapist of his own doing. Not Andre's. Not Aiden's.
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Today's episode:

1) Kickback
2) Brandon Beemer now in the Brady family photo, but funny that their house just burned down but they thought to take the family photo with them to the Horton house
3) Hope, Claire is your granddaughter not just your daughter's friend
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Feb 25 2016, 03:29 PM
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Feb 25 2016, 03:09 PM
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Feb 25 2016, 02:43 PM

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If you actually read my post, you would have seen I said he is responsible for his actions. You seem content with taking cheap shots. And I won't lie, I can't wait until Chase is gone. I've never had any use for him nor Aiden. I am looking forward to them being history.
So Chase has no excuse, but Joey may have been drunk or high....what am I missing? I guess I missed the cheap shot too, unless disagreeing with a statement suddenly qualifies. I would think Andre's mind games would be just as valid of a mitigating circumstance. Chase has just experienced incredible trauma & essentially has no one but Hope (who he fears is a burden to). Joey has two parents that still wipe his nose for him & was throwing a tantrum that a woman he was trying to bed played him & his family. Chase owns his actions & feels remorse. All indications are Joey let's mommy & daddy clean up his mess. So if I'm going to say they both own their actions but.......Chase has a hell of alot more "buts" than Joey.

No worries, that's kind of how I felt about Bo, so I get it. The difference is, I think Aiden's time in Salem is just getting started.......
If that rapist pig felt even the tiniest bit of remorse or owned his actions, he'd turn himself in.
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Feb 25 2016, 05:56 PM
TBH, I don't even think Joey killing Ava is that dark.
Might not be dark but MURDER is not OK under any circumstances. If Ava does die I will be pissed off if Joey gets off with a slap on the wrist. He knew what he was doing and he had planned it out since he pulled the fire alarm. This is why I wanted Ava to kill herself. Because this ruins Joey. Like it ruined Rafe and Hope, it is gonna ruin Stayla also. Nobody has the right to take a life.
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Feb 25 2016, 07:05 PM
Belle could not support Claire when she wanted to go to Juilliard - choosing to go to Las Vegas with Phillip instead - but now thinks buying her a nightclub is a great idea.
Oh I really hope this is a dream but I doubt it. As much as I love Stayla, if they cover this up, I can't watch them.

Thanks writers. You destroyed Hope and Rafe and now you are adding Stayla to the list.
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lysie


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Feb 26 2016, 01:44 AM
lysie
Feb 25 2016, 05:56 PM
TBH, I don't even think Joey killing Ava is that dark.
Might not be dark but MURDER is not OK under any circumstances. If Ava does die I will be pissed off if Joey gets off with a slap on the wrist. He knew what he was doing and he had planned it out since he pulled the fire alarm. This is why I wanted Ava to kill herself. Because this ruins Joey. Like it ruined Rafe and Hope, it is gonna ruin Stayla also. Nobody has the right to take a life.
I didn't say anything about it being right, but I think it's a good bit different from Rafe/Hope.
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Feb 26 2016, 01:44 AM
lysie
Feb 25 2016, 05:56 PM
TBH, I don't even think Joey killing Ava is that dark.
Might not be dark but MURDER is not OK under any circumstances. If Ava does die I will be pissed off if Joey gets off with a slap on the wrist. He knew what he was doing and he had planned it out since he pulled the fire alarm. This is why I wanted Ava to kill herself. Because this ruins Joey. Like it ruined Rafe and Hope, it is gonna ruin Stayla also. Nobody has the right to take a life.
It's a soap. Most characters get away with terrible things that aren't okay in real life. If everyone actually paid for their crimes in a realistic way, they'd have to re-set the show to a prison yard.

What Joey did is far from the worst thing I've seen a character do on this show. Joey is hardly 'ruined' because of it, IMO, particularly because he killed a short-term villain.

And for what it's worth, I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that Ava intentionally or accidentally killed herself with some kind of drugs. Her last story was resolved with 'crazy' pills, so why should this story end any differently? (I ask that rhetorically, of course).
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cord08
Feb 26 2016, 02:02 AM
Amazee-Dayzee
Feb 26 2016, 01:44 AM
lysie
Feb 25 2016, 05:56 PM
TBH, I don't even think Joey killing Ava is that dark.
Might not be dark but MURDER is not OK under any circumstances. If Ava does die I will be pissed off if Joey gets off with a slap on the wrist. He knew what he was doing and he had planned it out since he pulled the fire alarm. This is why I wanted Ava to kill herself. Because this ruins Joey. Like it ruined Rafe and Hope, it is gonna ruin Stayla also. Nobody has the right to take a life.
It's a soap. Most characters get away with terrible things that aren't okay in real life. If everyone actually paid for their crimes in a realistic way, they'd have to re-set the show to a prison yard.

What Joey did is far from the worst thing I've seen a character do on this show. Joey is hardly 'ruined' because of it, IMO, particularly because he killed a short-term villain.

And for what it's worth, I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that Ava intentionally or accidentally killed herself with some kind of drugs. Her last story was resolved with 'crazy' pills, so why should this story end any differently? (I ask that rhetorically, of course).
When it comes to "ruining" characters, for me it's all dependent on who they do things to. It's not too hard to come back from killing a random, active villain who isn't particularly cemented to the show's history or legacies in the first place. It's more difficult when it's something that happens to a more connected character. :shrug:
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lysie
Feb 26 2016, 01:56 AM
I didn't say anything about it being right, but I think it's a good bit different from Rafe/Hope.
Right now, so far ... it's different in that that the build up for Hope snapping and murdering someone was done leaps and bounds better (from the moment Hope was strangled to the moment she shot 3 bullets). Where they went wrong in that story, besides the beat being a completely unnecessary story development since Stefano didn't arrange the kidnapping, is the cover up.

The actual build up to making Joey a murderer? Complete, non existent trash. Day player villain, master villain, come and go villain ... murdering someone with such poor build up is terrible for any character. The fact that they didn't even have her taunt him ... bad. You also match what Ava has done against what other villains have done without similar fates and it's bad. While the Steve/Kayla/Ava story was crap, there needed to be build-up (a lot more so than the rape story). I could have bought Kayla or Steve being at the edge of murder but not Joey at all.

I'm not going to say any character is without redemption because that's complete and utter bullchit BUT these story choices? Also, Bullchit.
Edited by AngelaP, Feb 26 2016, 02:51 AM.
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Feb 26 2016, 02:49 AM
lysie
Feb 26 2016, 01:56 AM
I didn't say anything about it being right, but I think it's a good bit different from Rafe/Hope.
Right now, so far ... it's different in that that the build up for Hope snapping and murdering someone was done leaps and bounds better (from the moment Hope was strangled to the moment she shot 3 bullets). Where they went wrong in that story, besides the beat being a completely unnecessary story development since Stefano didn't arrange the kidnapping, is the cover up.

The actual build up to making Joey a murderer? Complete, non existent trash. Day player villain, master villain, come and go villain ... murdering someone with such poor build up is terrible for any character. The fact that they didn't even have her taunt him ... bad. You also match what Ava has done against what other villains have done without similar fates and it's bad. While the Steve/Kayla/Ava story was crap, there needed to be build-up (a lot more so than the rape story).

I'm not going to say any character is without redemption because that's complete and utter bullchit BUT these story choices? Also, Bullchit.
Well, I thought the build up for Hope was pure trash, lol. I don't think it was done leaps and bounds better than anything. I'd have preferred more buildup for Joey, but the circumstances with Joey are a bit different than with Hope. For one, he at least got the right person. The cover up definitely made that story worse, but the story derailed completely pretty much from the second Bo was buried.

I'm not saying it's brilliant by any stretch of the imagination. It just doesn't bother me.
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Feb 26 2016, 02:54 AM
Well, I thought the build up for Hope was pure trash, lol. I don't think it was done leaps and bounds better than anything. I'd have preferred more buildup for Joey, but the circumstances with Joey are a bit different than with Hope. For one, he at least got the right person. The cover up definitely made that story worse, but the story derailed completely pretty much from the second Bo was buried.

I'm not saying it's brilliant by any stretch of the imagination. It just doesn't bother me.
I couldn't disagree more on build-up. Even Dena's December played perfectly in to Hope snapping and murdering someone.

When I speak of build-up, I mean the mind-set of the character to get from point A to Z ... I don't mean the actual murder of the character. The victims are rather irrelevant pieces because they are gone, our fallen heroes are still there on the other hand. I mean we saw Hope increasingly disconnecting, becoming irrational and having semi-homicidal tendencies for about 6-8 weeks before she murdered someone.

I much rather "wrong person" with believable build up rather than "right person" with thin air build up. Hope's build up gave her an out for the murder (not the cover up or the framing so much). They didn't do Joey the same favor unless drugs somehow pop into the picture tomorrow.
Edited by AngelaP, Feb 26 2016, 03:16 AM.
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They could've at least tried with this party Joey's at.
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I was over the whole Angry-at-Mom Teen Thing back when it was Will and Sami... turns out I'm still over it with Claire and Belle.
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Feb 25 2016, 03:13 PM
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Feb 25 2016, 03:02 PM
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Feb 25 2016, 02:48 PM

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They're characters in stories, though, and both pretty blank slates at this point. Not every character deserves to be treated the same or take the same path, because that would be boring.
Rape is Rape, & murder is murder, & as there slates stand, there is not one thing IMO that makes Joey or his enabler parents deserving of a brighter path than Salem's other troubled teen.
Well Joey is connected to a core family... Chase isn't. Chase is a nobody. So there's that.
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Feb 26 2016, 03:03 AM
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Feb 26 2016, 02:54 AM
Well, I thought the build up for Hope was pure trash, lol. I don't think it was done leaps and bounds better than anything. I'd have preferred more buildup for Joey, but the circumstances with Joey are a bit different than with Hope. For one, he at least got the right person. The cover up definitely made that story worse, but the story derailed completely pretty much from the second Bo was buried.

I'm not saying it's brilliant by any stretch of the imagination. It just doesn't bother me.
I couldn't disagree more on build-up. Even Dena's December played perfectly in to Hope snapping and murdering someone.

When I speak of build-up, I mean the mind-set of the character to get from point A to Z ... I don't mean the actual murder of the character. The victims are rather irrelevant pieces because they are gone, our fallen heroes are still there on the other hand. I mean we saw Hope increasingly disconnecting, becoming irrational and having semi-homicidal tendencies for about 6-8 weeks before she murdered someone.

I much rather "wrong person" with believable build up rather than "right person" with thin air build up. Hope's build up gave her an out for the murder (not the cover up or the framing so much). They didn't do Joey the same favor unless drugs somehow pop into the picture tomorrow.
I know what build up is. I just thought Hope's sucked, and I don't think anything about December played perfectly whether it involved Hope or not. And Joey isn't some longstanding hero, so I wouldn't really compare the two characters in this way. When Joey has a 30+ year history, that reasoning might work for him.

And do I really need to keep saying that I don't think this is good? It just doesn't bother me. It not bothering me and it being compelling soap are two very different things.
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In what world does buying your teenage daughter a nightclub so she can practice her singing make any sense. Just buy her singing lessons for crying out loud, Belle.
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lol Shawn's face lookin' all 3D there with Brandon's face cut out and put on top of Jason's.
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