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Thursday, February 25th Episode Discussion
Topic Started: Feb 24 2016, 06:48 PM (17,453 Views)
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Restless84
Feb 25 2016, 12:58 PM
Lovejm
Feb 25 2016, 12:54 PM
Ok I get the writing for Belle is very uneven. But it seems like they're trying to write a similar story to the Roman John Marlena Sami story. Belle is trying to do what she thinks is right for Claire but is drawn to Philip. It's not nearly as well done but it's the same struggle her mother had. And the reason she even exists
I know what you're saying, but I don't think Belle and Philip have the same connection Marlena and John did. Belle was away with Shawn for years.
I totally agree it's nowhere near the same kind of connection but the premise has some parallels

Plus I don't think this ends with Belle Philip like the John Marlena story did.

But she is struggling between doing what's right for her family and following her heart. That's what I find similar.
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Lovejm
Feb 25 2016, 12:57 PM
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Feb 25 2016, 12:56 PM
Lovejm
Feb 25 2016, 12:54 PM
Ok I get the writing for a Belle is very uneven. But it seems like they're trying to write a similar story to the Roman John Marlena Sami story. Belle is trying to do what she thinks is right for Claire but is drawn to Philip. It's not nearly as well done but it's the same struggle her mother had. And the reason she even exists
Well Belle and Philip do remind me of FauxRo/Fauxman and Marlena. Disgusting and no chemistry!!! that's the only part that's accurate.

Plus Sleazebag will never be John Black!!! not in a billion years!!!
I'm not saying the characters are anywhere near the same level but the stories are definitely really similar.

I'm not sure what direction the writers meant to go, but I don't hate Belle or Phillip. I just don't love them. I keep hoping when the writing gets better, the characters will start to fall into place.

I'm losing hope though. Not just for them. I rarely see J&M. Hope is unrecognizable. Chabby's in limbo. S&K are the only thing keeping me hanging on right now.
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Feb 25 2016, 12:59 PM
Belle is awful. Just a hot, awful mess.
I don't know if it's MM's take on Belle this time around or the writing, but I could care less about Belle now, and that shouldn't be since I have always been a huge fan of her parents.
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Feb 25 2016, 12:58 PM
Lovejm
Feb 25 2016, 12:54 PM
Ok I get the writing for Belle is very uneven. But it seems like they're trying to write a similar story to the Roman John Marlena Sami story. Belle is trying to do what she thinks is right for Claire but is drawn to Philip. It's not nearly as well done but it's the same struggle her mother had. And the reason she even exists
but the thing is the chemistry between JPL and MM doesn't support the this type of story, the chemistry between two DHs was just overpowering that's why viewers didn't care that John wasn't the real Roman, they still wanted RoJohn/Marlena together.
John could have been Stefano and no one cared :)

I'm not saying it's a good idea but that's what I think they're doing.
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Feb 25 2016, 01:00 PM
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Feb 25 2016, 12:57 PM
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Feb 25 2016, 12:56 PM

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I'm not saying the characters are anywhere near the same level but the stories are definitely really similar.

I'm not sure what direction the writers meant to go, but I don't hate Belle or Phillip. I just don't love them. I keep hoping when the writing gets better, the characters will start to fall into place.

I'm losing hope though. Not just for them. I rarely see J&M. Hope is unrecognizable. Chabby's in limbo. S&K are the only thing keeping me hanging on right now.
Supposedly Chad and Abby and J&M both have big March stories.
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My favourite part of today show, Stayla, Joey, Ciara, Diemos and Theo.

The worst part, Chase, teens party, Lani ,Belle and Philip.


Over all it was a good episode, because not to hear about Daniel's worshippers or his name. Hellelujah.
Edited by Ocean, Feb 25 2016, 06:07 PM.
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Feb 25 2016, 12:58 PM
Lovejm
Feb 25 2016, 12:54 PM
Ok I get the writing for Belle is very uneven. But it seems like they're trying to write a similar story to the Roman John Marlena Sami story. Belle is trying to do what she thinks is right for Claire but is drawn to Philip. It's not nearly as well done but it's the same struggle her mother had. And the reason she even exists
I know what you're saying, but I don't think Belle and Philip have the same connection Marlena and John did. Belle was away with Shawn for years.
Sure, Belle was with Shawn for years. And Marlena was married to Roman for years before he "died." She and RoJohn were only together for like 7 months before she "died." I realize she thought he was Roman in those seven months, but it's not like "John" and Marlena had a lifetime together before their affair.

Arguably, given that Belle and Philip were married for a decent period of time, there is more of a basis for a connection between them.
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The boy saw the comet and he felt as though his life had meaning.

I need Belle Black!! too bad she hasn't been seen since July 16th 2004 and we'll probably never see her again.

This imposter needs to go!!!!
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Lovejm
Feb 25 2016, 12:16 PM
Victor knows Belle has he DiMera money? I don't know how.
I'm not surprised. . .she's told A LOT of people. :blulaugh: :blulaugh: :blulaugh:
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The boy saw the comet and he felt as though his life had meaning.

esp13
Feb 25 2016, 01:04 PM
Restless84
Feb 25 2016, 12:58 PM
Lovejm
Feb 25 2016, 12:54 PM
Ok I get the writing for Belle is very uneven. But it seems like they're trying to write a similar story to the Roman John Marlena Sami story. Belle is trying to do what she thinks is right for Claire but is drawn to Philip. It's not nearly as well done but it's the same struggle her mother had. And the reason she even exists
I know what you're saying, but I don't think Belle and Philip have the same connection Marlena and John did. Belle was away with Shawn for years.
Sure, Belle was with Shawn for years. And Marlena was married to Roman for years before he "died." She and RoJohn were only together for like 7 months before she "died." I realize she thought he was Roman in those seven months, but it's not like "John" and Marlena had a lifetime together before their affair.

Arguably, given that Belle and Philip were married for a decent period of time, there is more of a basis for a connection between them.
she was pinning over her ex-boyfriend while she was married to him and acting jealous of Shawn and Mimi.

Belle and Philip didn't share anything as deep, magnificent and magical as RoJohn and Marlena did.
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The boy saw the comet and he felt as though his life had meaning.

I need fakeBelle to get an STD!!!
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Lovejm


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Feb 25 2016, 01:04 PM
Restless84
Feb 25 2016, 12:58 PM
Lovejm
Feb 25 2016, 12:54 PM
Ok I get the writing for Belle is very uneven. But it seems like they're trying to write a similar story to the Roman John Marlena Sami story. Belle is trying to do what she thinks is right for Claire but is drawn to Philip. It's not nearly as well done but it's the same struggle her mother had. And the reason she even exists
I know what you're saying, but I don't think Belle and Philip have the same connection Marlena and John did. Belle was away with Shawn for years.
Sure, Belle was with Shawn for years. And Marlena was married to Roman for years before he "died." She and RoJohn were only together for like 7 months before she "died." I realize she thought he was Roman in those seven months, but it's not like "John" and Marlena had a lifetime together before their affair.

Arguably, given that Belle and Philip were married for a decent period of time, there is more of a basis for a connection between them.
Yea they definitely made it seem J&M were together much longer before she died when she came back. In either case the heart wants what it wants and those connections can be there after a week or years.
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Lovejm
Feb 25 2016, 12:32 PM
Philip gave Deimos the formula. Says he wants to work with him against Victor

Deimos has someone following Philip. I'm glad Deimos has lackeys. Villains need them.
Well, all the Dimera Goon Squad is currently unemployed, so maybe they are working for Deimos now? :blulaugh:
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Feb 25 2016, 12:58 PM
Paul is never on and when he is, his scenes are random and irrelevant.
:flipoff: Josh, Dena, Beth, whoever writes this shit.
He really should've been written out back after Will died and Sonny left. They wasted a lot of money on his guarantee, by paying him to not have to work.
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Kyrai
Feb 25 2016, 01:00 PM
I'm not sure what direction the writers meant to go, but I don't hate Belle or Phillip. I just don't love them. I keep hoping when the writing gets better, the characters will start to fall into place.

This is where I am with them.

I don't feel any Shelle connection, she doesn't seem to care about him one bit, or want to be with him. Phillip is the one she's drawn to.

It was supposed to be a triangle but I'm not really feeling it as of yet. It's more a Phillip/Belle/Claire triangle, with Belle torn between Phillip and wanting to be a better mother to Claire.
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Lovejm
Feb 25 2016, 01:08 PM
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Feb 25 2016, 01:04 PM
Restless84
Feb 25 2016, 12:58 PM

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Sure, Belle was with Shawn for years. And Marlena was married to Roman for years before he "died." She and RoJohn were only together for like 7 months before she "died." I realize she thought he was Roman in those seven months, but it's not like "John" and Marlena had a lifetime together before their affair.

Arguably, given that Belle and Philip were married for a decent period of time, there is more of a basis for a connection between them.
Yea they definitely made it seem J&M were together much longer before she died when she came back. In either case the heart wants what it wants and those connections can be there after a week or years.
Well, I'm a bit ignorant on the history. I thought RoJohn and Marlena had been together more than 7 months before the Roman/Marlena/John triangle.
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Feb 25 2016, 01:09 PM
Hugo
Feb 25 2016, 12:58 PM
Paul is never on and when he is, his scenes are random and irrelevant.
:flipoff: Josh, Dena, Beth, whoever writes this shit.
He really should've been written out back after Will died and Sonny left. They wasted a lot of money on his guarantee, by paying him to not have to work.
Yeah, I kind of feel like part of the reason they kept him was just so they didn't get rid of all their LGBT characters at once. I know that sounds bad, but I could see it happening.

At the very least, they could have bumped him to recurring and probably saved a few bucks.
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Feb 25 2016, 01:06 PM
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Feb 25 2016, 01:04 PM
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Feb 25 2016, 12:58 PM

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Sure, Belle was with Shawn for years. And Marlena was married to Roman for years before he "died." She and RoJohn were only together for like 7 months before she "died." I realize she thought he was Roman in those seven months, but it's not like "John" and Marlena had a lifetime together before their affair.

Arguably, given that Belle and Philip were married for a decent period of time, there is more of a basis for a connection between them.
she was pinning over her ex-boyfriend while she was married to him and acting jealous of Shawn and Mimi.

Belle and Philip didn't share anything as deep, magnificent and magical as RoJohn and Marlena did.
I didn't say they did. What I said is that they had more of a history together than, arguably, John and Marlena did.
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Feb 25 2016, 01:11 PM
Lovejm
Feb 25 2016, 01:08 PM
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Feb 25 2016, 01:04 PM

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Yea they definitely made it seem J&M were together much longer before she died when she came back. In either case the heart wants what it wants and those connections can be there after a week or years.
Well, I'm a bit ignorant on the history. I thought RoJohn and Marlena had been together more than 7 months before the Roman/Marlena/John triangle.
Not really. John Black was revealed to be Roman in May of 1986. Marlena "died" (well, the first time) in December of 1986. When Marlena returned in 1991, RoJohn was with Isabella and I'm pretty sure he and Marlena never really reunited before they ran off to Mexico and found realRoman. And that was only a couple of months later anyway.

And I'm not denying the connection between John and Marlena, or saying the lack of time makes it less than it was. My response was only to the idea that because Belle was with Shawn for a long time, she couldn't really have a connection with Philip (like Marlena did with John). And the reality is that Belle was with Philip (however unhappily) for longer than Marlena was with RoJohn. And that Marlena's years with Roman (before and after their "deaths") didn't change that connection.

So, in broad strokes, the fact that Belle was married to Shawn for years does not mean that she couldn't have some kind of connection with Philip.
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The boy saw the comet and he felt as though his life had meaning.

Lovejm
Feb 25 2016, 01:08 PM
esp13
Feb 25 2016, 01:04 PM
Restless84
Feb 25 2016, 12:58 PM

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Sure, Belle was with Shawn for years. And Marlena was married to Roman for years before he "died." She and RoJohn were only together for like 7 months before she "died." I realize she thought he was Roman in those seven months, but it's not like "John" and Marlena had a lifetime together before their affair.

Arguably, given that Belle and Philip were married for a decent period of time, there is more of a basis for a connection between them.
Yea they definitely made it seem J&M were together much longer before she died when she came back. In either case the heart wants what it wants and those connections can be there after a week or years.
That's true!!! they did. They made it seem like RoJohn and Marlena had been together for years and years, which I would've loved!! wish Deidre hadn't left in 87.

the point is that John and Marlena were soulmates from day one, what they shared was beautiful deep unspeakable bond.

Belle's marriage to Philip was a joke, the most pathetic relationship in DAYS history. She spent 2 years of that marriage pinning after Shawn, being jealous of Shawn and Mimi, trying to stop his marriage to Mimi and convince him to be with her instead and the only reason they didn't get back together was because Shawn did not want to break up her family or Mimi's heart. Belle was happy about the IVF switch and that she was carrying Shawn's baby. She didnt even flinch when her marriage to Philip ended and he left town. And now I'm supposed to believe that she suddenly has feelings for him and is conflicted?? please!! I dont buy it for a second.

The John/Marlena affair was beautifully written, it was about two people who loved each other so deeply and immensely it hurt!! we understood them, we understood the circumstances and we understood their mistakes. we rooted for them!! It was an epic love story!! Unlike Belle and Philip they didn't do it like bunnies and acted like stone cold bastards to the people around them. They were apologetic and genuine about the remorse and regrets they felt for hurting everyone.
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