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Friday, February 26th Episode Discussion
Topic Started: Feb 25 2016, 06:41 PM (19,336 Views)
AngelaP
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Today's episode. I wish I had gotten to watch this episode live because reading spoilers and recaps does take away some punch.

The confession was a nice surprise. The re-telling moment, the terrible person/absolution moment, the revealing calls ... very good. Josh Taylor has me buying him as Roman from time to time, lately, and today's scenes were one of those times. I actually liked that they ended the episode on the meet-up at the park. I'm interested to see how they handle this particular intricate thread of the story (did he/didn't he). So far, I like that Hope appears upset rather than scared at this development.

I wanted Andre to bitc-slap Chad in the interrogation room. I guess I do get Chad romanticizing Stefano, though, mostly because Billy Flynn could sell me a bridge in Brooklyn on most days when he's doing the emotional stuff. The Chad & Abby scenes were sweet. Less foreboding than usual.

I was annoyed by Caroline's ridic visions being used as a cheap device to move plot along but at least plot was moved along. Deimos deleting texts from his phone seemed very non-skilled in technique. Tsk, tsk, Victor's libido been ruining lives since the 1980s. Hopefully there's follow-up to V/H's call. Deimos Hayward beginning his mission to tempt Caroline from Victor? ;) I like how they're working Sonny into the fold for the future.

My take away from the S/K/A/J scenes was about Roman. Dude must be thinking "in laws? Can't live with them, can't live without them" after this day of confessions.
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Feb 26 2016, 05:09 PM
Okay, so I know this will be an unpopular opinion and feel free to launch with the dislike button....BUT I am totally okay with Hope/Rafe/Roman all not getting any repercussions for killing Stefano and framing Andre and I also am totally okay with all the Johnson's not having any repercussions for Ava "expiring". All of these villians deserved what they got because they are all pure evil and I have no sympathy. This is a soap and the "bad guys" never pay for their crimes so I see no reason for a double standard where the "good guys" should pay just because we like to hold them to a higher standard. "Vigilantes" are not always convicted, even in real life. I keep remembering the movie A Time To Kill which was based on a true story where the defendant was obviously the judge, jury and executioner and you know what he was found not guilty.

However, the main reason I don't feel they should be punished is I WANT BOTH OF THESE STORIES OVER!! If for that to happen I have to accept that the good guys got away with something that the bad guys have gotten away with 100 times, then so be it! I can most definitely pretend like the last few months didn't happen and move on! I don't even need to see the fallout for either the Stefano or Ava stories, just end them and I'm good! LET'S JUST MOVE ON!!!
LIKE!!!!!!!!! :applause: :cheer:
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As a Tamara Braun fan I'm saddened that this was all we got from this show. I'll leave it with this one photo:

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Feb 26 2016, 06:06 PM
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Feb 26 2016, 05:50 PM
I would never assume how long any poster on here has been watching the show, but this is not the first time Roman/Hope/Rafe/Bo have used being on the police force to their advantage...they haven't been straight, by the book cops in a very, very long time.
I've been watching since the 70's, and I don't recall a cop killing someone and framing another for the murder with the help of two other cops. I'm not as well-versed on recent years, but in the past, even when they had to arrest family, they did even if reluctantly. They may have given them as much leeway as possible, but they still upheld the law. The only obvious instance of not upholding the law that I can recall, is our buddy Rafe. This seems to be common for him. I guess he should be made commissioner, he's so good at lying and doing whatever he wants.

At least Steve shouldn't worry. This new brand of police justice should let him off. I'm sure Roman will figure out a way to frame the murder on someone else for Kayla.
Rafe has been breaking rules since he first came on the show. What really annoys me with him is how sanctimonious he gets when somebody else breaks rules.
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Feb 26 2016, 08:53 PM
DaysBopeLuv
Feb 26 2016, 05:09 PM
Okay, so I know this will be an unpopular opinion and feel free to launch with the dislike button....BUT I am totally okay with Hope/Rafe/Roman all not getting any repercussions for killing Stefano and framing Andre and I also am totally okay with all the Johnson's not having any repercussions for Ava "expiring". All of these villians deserved what they got because they are all pure evil and I have no sympathy. This is a soap and the "bad guys" never pay for their crimes so I see no reason for a double standard where the "good guys" should pay just because we like to hold them to a higher standard. "Vigilantes" are not always convicted, even in real life. I keep remembering the movie A Time To Kill which was based on a true story where the defendant was obviously the judge, jury and executioner and you know what he was found not guilty.

However, the main reason I don't feel they should be punished is I WANT BOTH OF THESE STORIES OVER!! If for that to happen I have to accept that the good guys got away with something that the bad guys have gotten away with 100 times, then so be it! I can most definitely pretend like the last few months didn't happen and move on! I don't even need to see the fallout for either the Stefano or Ava stories, just end them and I'm good! LET'S JUST MOVE ON!!!
LIKE!!!!!!!!! :applause: :cheer:
Okay, so what if say what Ava did was as a result of anything her father did to her? Does that still make you think that the Johnsons don't deserve any repercussions from their actions? So if you apply that same thing on them, then I'll say this, why didn't Steve face an repercussions from the crimes he committed with Ava back before Stefano had him taken from the chapel where he and Ava were to be married? Or how about whatever actions Ava did, were as a result of both Martino, her father, and Stefano for kidnapping Steve from the chapel. I say that Stefano is the root cause of Ava's actions due to his part in what he did to Steve that caused Ava's initial breakdown and Martino having to keep her drugged. So this is if you discard everything with Ava post Joey's birth from back in 2008 and her involvement with RoboJohn.
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Thank you JCP.

I wonder if Roman offers to get Andre off if he will agree to leave his family alone.
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Feb 26 2016, 09:39 PM
I wonder if Roman offers to get Andre off if he will agree to leave his family alone.
You know, this story would have actually been a decent way to write Andre out, but obviously that isn't happening.... Sigh. I feel like TP's return has been a bust so far.
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samskara2012
Feb 26 2016, 09:30 PM
OldSchoolDaysFan
Feb 26 2016, 08:53 PM
DaysBopeLuv
Feb 26 2016, 05:09 PM
Okay, so I know this will be an unpopular opinion and feel free to launch with the dislike button....BUT I am totally okay with Hope/Rafe/Roman all not getting any repercussions for killing Stefano and framing Andre and I also am totally okay with all the Johnson's not having any repercussions for Ava "expiring". All of these villians deserved what they got because they are all pure evil and I have no sympathy. This is a soap and the "bad guys" never pay for their crimes so I see no reason for a double standard where the "good guys" should pay just because we like to hold them to a higher standard. "Vigilantes" are not always convicted, even in real life. I keep remembering the movie A Time To Kill which was based on a true story where the defendant was obviously the judge, jury and executioner and you know what he was found not guilty.

However, the main reason I don't feel they should be punished is I WANT BOTH OF THESE STORIES OVER!! If for that to happen I have to accept that the good guys got away with something that the bad guys have gotten away with 100 times, then so be it! I can most definitely pretend like the last few months didn't happen and move on! I don't even need to see the fallout for either the Stefano or Ava stories, just end them and I'm good! LET'S JUST MOVE ON!!!
LIKE!!!!!!!!! :applause: :cheer:
Okay, so what if say what Ava did was as a result of anything her father did to her? Does that still make you think that the Johnsons don't deserve any repercussions from their actions? So if you apply that same thing on them, then I'll say this, why didn't Steve face an repercussions from the crimes he committed with Ava back before Stefano had him taken from the chapel where he and Ava were to be married? Or how about whatever actions Ava did, were as a result of both Martino, her father, and Stefano for kidnapping Steve from the chapel. I say that Stefano is the root cause of Ava's actions due to his part in what he did to Steve that caused Ava's initial breakdown and Martino having to keep her drugged. So this is if you discard everything with Ava post Joey's birth from back in 2008 and her involvement with RoboJohn.
Steve should face repercussions from his time with Ava? The man had no memory and no identity. Then he was re-kidnapped, re-brainwashed, and tortured. He lost 16 years with his wife and daughter. Then when Ava came back, he was in a plane crash, lost his father in law, and nearly lost his unborn child. Then there was everything that happened at the Vitale mansion and everything that happened this time around. It seems he's paid plenty for his time with Ava.

And even if all of Ava's problems stem from her father, it doesn't excuse what she did to Steve and Kayla and Joey. If she had killed her father - the person who did bad things to her - that would be different. Or even if she had only targeted Steve. But she went after people who never did anything to her.

Lastly, the whole Stefano took Steve away thing doesn't really wash. Steve had already walked away from the wedding because of his memory of his wedding to Kayla. Not to mention that Ava apparently didn't care that "Patch" had no idea who he really was or what life he might have.

The long and the short is that they gave Ava a redemption story last time around. A story the came at the expense of Steve and Kayla. But, clearly that redemption didn't stick. So, while I think TB is a good actress and she seems to be a very wonderful person, Ava was a cartoon this time around and I'm not sad to see the character dead.
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Feb 26 2016, 04:39 PM
I bet since Chad turned his back on Andre that Andre will now get vengeance against him too. So I imagine it will happen at chabbys wedding. I do love Chabby but Chad needs to see that the so called good guys aren't above murder and covering it up.
If it's a choice between Chad marrying Abby or finding out the truth about Hope and Rafe, I hope he never finds out...Hope and Rafe and their crimes aren't/shouldn't be more important to Chad than his family, which is Abby and Thomas.
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Feb 26 2016, 09:52 PM
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Feb 26 2016, 04:39 PM
I bet since Chad turned his back on Andre that Andre will now get vengeance against him too. So I imagine it will happen at chabbys wedding. I do love Chabby but Chad needs to see that the so called good guys aren't above murder and covering it up.
If it's a choice between Chad marrying Abby or finding out the truth about Hope and Rafe, I hope he never finds out...Hope and Rafe and their crimes aren't/shouldn't be more important to Chad than his family, which is Abby and Thomas.
I think he will feel duped by Rafe and Hope..and Stefano was his father. Whether he was good or bad it doesn't matter.. they murdered his father.
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Feb 26 2016, 09:57 PM
sewannie
Feb 26 2016, 09:52 PM
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Feb 26 2016, 04:39 PM
I bet since Chad turned his back on Andre that Andre will now get vengeance against him too. So I imagine it will happen at chabbys wedding. I do love Chabby but Chad needs to see that the so called good guys aren't above murder and covering it up.
If it's a choice between Chad marrying Abby or finding out the truth about Hope and Rafe, I hope he never finds out...Hope and Rafe and their crimes aren't/shouldn't be more important to Chad than his family, which is Abby and Thomas.
I think he will feel duped by Rafe and Hope..and Stefano was his father. Whether he was good or bad it doesn't matter.. they murdered his father.
Yeah, I think he will too and rightfully so. Still, that situation shouldn't mess up his wedding or any other aspect of his life with Abby and their son. Hope and Rafe aren't that important.
Edited by sewannie, Feb 26 2016, 10:00 PM.
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Feb 26 2016, 09:46 PM
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Feb 26 2016, 09:30 PM
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Feb 26 2016, 08:53 PM

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Okay, so what if say what Ava did was as a result of anything her father did to her? Does that still make you think that the Johnsons don't deserve any repercussions from their actions? So if you apply that same thing on them, then I'll say this, why didn't Steve face an repercussions from the crimes he committed with Ava back before Stefano had him taken from the chapel where he and Ava were to be married? Or how about whatever actions Ava did, were as a result of both Martino, her father, and Stefano for kidnapping Steve from the chapel. I say that Stefano is the root cause of Ava's actions due to his part in what he did to Steve that caused Ava's initial breakdown and Martino having to keep her drugged. So this is if you discard everything with Ava post Joey's birth from back in 2008 and her involvement with RoboJohn.
Steve should face repercussions from his time with Ava? The man had no memory and no identity. Then he was re-kidnapped, re-brainwashed, and tortured. He lost 16 years with his wife and daughter. Then when Ava came back, he was in a plane crash, lost his father in law, and nearly lost his unborn child. Then there was everything that happened at the Vitale mansion and everything that happened this time around. It seems he's paid plenty for his time with Ava.

And even if all of Ava's problems stem from her father, it doesn't excuse what she did to Steve and Kayla and Joey. If she had killed her father - the person who did bad things to her - that would be different. Or even if she had only targeted Steve. But she went after people who never did anything to her.

Lastly, the whole Stefano took Steve away thing doesn't really wash. Steve had already walked away from the wedding because of his memory of his wedding to Kayla. Not to mention that Ava apparently didn't care that "Patch" had no idea who he really was or what life he might have.

The long and the short is that they gave Ava a redemption story last time around. A story the came at the expense of Steve and Kayla. But, clearly that redemption didn't stick. So, while I think TB is a good actress and she seems to be a very wonderful person, Ava was a cartoon this time around and I'm not sad to see the character dead.
You have your opinion, I have mine. That is Steve committed crimes WITH Ava that were not punished. Sorry, if Ava doesn't get a pass for what her father, Stefano or whoever did to her, than Steve gets no pass for his crimes. And Bo never paid for killing Martino. So an eye for an eye.... yadda, yadda, yadda........ As long as their name is Brady or Johnson, they're immune to prosecution. Oh, and I'll add that Princess Kayla somehow dodged the transplant board for the rules she broke by not giving Daniel's heart to the next in line for a transplant and giving it to Brady. But that's okay.
Edited by samskara2012, Feb 26 2016, 10:19 PM.
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Feb 26 2016, 09:57 PM
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Feb 26 2016, 09:52 PM
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Feb 26 2016, 04:39 PM
I bet since Chad turned his back on Andre that Andre will now get vengeance against him too. So I imagine it will happen at chabbys wedding. I do love Chabby but Chad needs to see that the so called good guys aren't above murder and covering it up.
If it's a choice between Chad marrying Abby or finding out the truth about Hope and Rafe, I hope he never finds out...Hope and Rafe and their crimes aren't/shouldn't be more important to Chad than his family, which is Abby and Thomas.
I think he will feel duped by Rafe and Hope..and Stefano was his father. Whether he was good or bad it doesn't matter.. they murdered his father.
Sorry I do not buy into the BS writing that every biological offspring of Stefano suddenly feels a sense of loyalty and love to him because they found out it was his sperm that produced them. Chad was at least 17 or 18 when he found out he was a Dimera. Even worse with Lexi who was probably in her 30s when she found out. Both knew who and what Stefano was and on some level were repulsed by him and being connected to him. Yet writers come in and pen it as if Stefano raised them. I got Ej's need to please "fatha"....since fatha had control of him since infancy. I never got Lexi or Chad's desire to be connected, since both had close friends whose lives were devastated by Stefano.

Chad should be cheering the demise of Stefano and the fact that Andre is going down for it.
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samskara2012
Feb 26 2016, 10:16 PM
Oh, and I'll add that Princess Kayla somehow dodged the transplant board for the rules she broke by not giving Daniel's heart to the next in line for a transplant and giving it to Brady. But that's okay.
The rules said that as next of kin, Maggie could chose a donor. Kayla advised her of that and gave her her medical opinion. She was being investigated but she didn't break any rules.

And the "somehow" was Ava hitting her over the head and kidnapping her, which probably ends up being the bigger crime here, but I'm biased.
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Feb 26 2016, 10:16 PM
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Feb 26 2016, 09:46 PM
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Steve should face repercussions from his time with Ava? The man had no memory and no identity. Then he was re-kidnapped, re-brainwashed, and tortured. He lost 16 years with his wife and daughter. Then when Ava came back, he was in a plane crash, lost his father in law, and nearly lost his unborn child. Then there was everything that happened at the Vitale mansion and everything that happened this time around. It seems he's paid plenty for his time with Ava.

And even if all of Ava's problems stem from her father, it doesn't excuse what she did to Steve and Kayla and Joey. If she had killed her father - the person who did bad things to her - that would be different. Or even if she had only targeted Steve. But she went after people who never did anything to her.

Lastly, the whole Stefano took Steve away thing doesn't really wash. Steve had already walked away from the wedding because of his memory of his wedding to Kayla. Not to mention that Ava apparently didn't care that "Patch" had no idea who he really was or what life he might have.

The long and the short is that they gave Ava a redemption story last time around. A story the came at the expense of Steve and Kayla. But, clearly that redemption didn't stick. So, while I think TB is a good actress and she seems to be a very wonderful person, Ava was a cartoon this time around and I'm not sad to see the character dead.
You have your opinion, I have mine. That is Steve committed crimes WITH Ava that were not punished. Sorry, if Ava doesn't get a pass for what her father, Stefano or whoever did to her, than Steve gets no pass for his crimes. And Bo never paid for killing Martino. So an eye for an eye.... yadda, yadda, yadda........ As long as their name is Brady or Johnson, they're immune to prosecution. Oh, and I'll add that Princess Kayla somehow dodged the transplant board for the rules she broke by not giving Daniel's heart to the next in line for a transplant and giving it to Brady. But that's okay.
I don't know why this is so contentious. This isn't personal about you or TB. We don't even know what Steve's crimes were when he was with Ava. I'm just not sure how a guy with no memory or identity gets prosecuted for that, but okay.

And Bo didn't pay for killing Marino because it was self-defense since the guy was pulling a gun.

And I'd be all for Kayla facing consequences from the transplant board if she violated regulations. But I'm guessing they dismissed the investigation after her assault and kidnapping.

I know you were a fan of the character, but it's not Steve and Kayla's fault they mad her a cartoon villain this time around.
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I still don't understand the point now of Stefano and Andre having Aiden marry Hope?

Since they weren't behind Bo's kidnapping and didn't know he was being held hostage why would they be so desperate to have Aiden marry Hope? I would just think it would be a big laugh to them that Bo had left Hope and his kids.

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Feb 26 2016, 10:31 PM
I still don't understand the point now of Stefano and Andre having Aiden marry Hope?

Since they weren't behind Bo's kidnapping and didn't know he was being held hostage why would they be so desperate to have Aiden marry Hope? I would just think it would be a big laugh to them that Bo had left Hope and his kids.

:shrug:
I do wonder if that will ever come out or if it's a dropped point. My thought was I was envisioning his story months ago is that Stefano may have owed a debt to Deimos. I also would like Andre/Stefano's murder attempt on Hope via Aiden to come out.
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Okay, so what if say what Ava did was as a result of anything her father did to her? Does that still make you think that the Johnsons don't deserve any repercussions from their actions? So if you apply that same thing on them, then I'll say this, why didn't Steve face an repercussions from the crimes he committed with Ava back before Stefano had him taken from the chapel where he and Ava were to be married? Or how about whatever actions Ava did, were as a result of both Martino, her father, and Stefano for kidnapping Steve from the chapel. I say that Stefano is the root cause of Ava's actions due to his part in what he did to Steve that caused Ava's initial breakdown and Martino having to keep her drugged. So this is if you discard everything with Ava post Joey's birth from back in 2008 and her involvement with RoboJohn.
Steve should face repercussions from his time with Ava? The man had no memory and no identity. Then he was re-kidnapped, re-brainwashed, and tortured. He lost 16 years with his wife and daughter. Then when Ava came back, he was in a plane crash, lost his father in law, and nearly lost his unborn child. Then there was everything that happened at the Vitale mansion and everything that happened this time around. It seems he's paid plenty for his time with Ava.

And even if all of Ava's problems stem from her father, it doesn't excuse what she did to Steve and Kayla and Joey. If she had killed her father - the person who did bad things to her - that would be different. Or even if she had only targeted Steve. But she went after people who never did anything to her.

Lastly, the whole Stefano took Steve away thing doesn't really wash. Steve had already walked away from the wedding because of his memory of his wedding to Kayla. Not to mention that Ava apparently didn't care that "Patch" had no idea who he really was or what life he might have.

The long and the short is that they gave Ava a redemption story last time around. A story the came at the expense of Steve and Kayla. But, clearly that redemption didn't stick. So, while I think TB is a good actress and she seems to be a very wonderful person, Ava was a cartoon this time around and I'm not sad to see the character dead.
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Feb 26 2016, 10:24 PM
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Feb 26 2016, 09:57 PM
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I think he will feel duped by Rafe and Hope..and Stefano was his father. Whether he was good or bad it doesn't matter.. they murdered his father.
Sorry I do not buy into the BS writing that every biological offspring of Stefano suddenly feels a sense of loyalty and love to him because they found out it was his sperm that produced them. Chad was at least 17 or 18 when he found out he was a Dimera. Even worse with Lexi who was probably in her 30s when she found out. Both knew who and what Stefano was and on some level were repulsed by him and being connected to him. Yet writers come in and pen it as if Stefano raised them. I got Ej's need to please "fatha"....since fatha had control of him since infancy. I never got Lexi or Chad's desire to be connected, since both had close friends whose lives were devastated by Stefano.

Chad should be cheering the demise of Stefano and the fact that Andre is going down for it.
I think some are missing the whole picture with Chad. He's conflicted. He said today that his father wasn't a good person and that he turned his back on him because of that. That said, Stefano did love his kids. He didn't have to take Chad in as his son, but he did. I wouldn't want Chad cheering the death of his father. In regards to the others affected by his manipulations over the years, that's a different story.
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I don't really see why Chad should be celebrating Stefano's death. :shrug: He didn't last time. Why would he do that this time? They didn't have the best relationship, but it wasn't the worst parent/child relationship. :-/
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