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Friday, February 26th Episode Discussion
Topic Started: Feb 25 2016, 06:41 PM (19,334 Views)
BradyB


His was an awesome episode in my opinion. The best in several weeks. So much HAPPENNED!,, looking forward to Monday. I wonder if this was just a Griffith episode.
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nananana7
Feb 27 2016, 04:11 PM
DrewHamilton
Feb 27 2016, 09:07 AM
I think that’s a big problem with soaps nowadays. The villains have been on so much and have been turned into real characters that they are no longer viewed as “villains.” These villains shouldn’t have fans upset that they’re being killed. They’re the bad guys!
^ This!

In my opinion, the DiMeras should never have been a core family for the show. Stefano should have been a recurring character for occasional arcs, but that's all.

I refused to watch GH because they made mobster Sonny Corinthos into a main character with a family. That ruined GH for me.
The thing is, it's a soap and this allows some of us to like/love "villains" (we would never like IRL) be it because we like actors playing them or for any other reason. I don't feel bad for liking a villain on a soap but I have to admit I never liked (or rooted for) villains when I was younger. For some reason I started liking them in my 30s lol.
I wish we had more gray characters instead of cartoonish villains though. I hate when they make a character that could be potentially gray do horrible things, like rape or kill someone.
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thepadange
Feb 27 2016, 04:33 PM
The thing is, it's a soap and this allows some of us to like/love "villains" (we would never like IRL) be it because we like actors playing them or for any other reason. I don't feel bad for liking a villain on a soap but I have to admit I never liked (or rooted for) villains when I was younger. For some reason I started liking them in my 30s lol.
I wish we had more gray characters instead of cartoonish villains though. I hate when they make a character that could be potentially gray do horrible things, like rape or kill someone.
For the most part I prefer the bad characters, but I want them well written, and I agree I prefer them gray and not cartoon characters. I don't want them to be all bad and I want to see what makes them tick, why they're motivated to do the bad things that they do.

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Feb 27 2016, 12:30 PM
laurondo
Feb 27 2016, 12:27 PM
janem
Feb 27 2016, 12:19 PM

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Really? Cause my mom was a nurse and I know they're not the ones to pronounce time of deaths, but I never once heard her say "expired" for when a patient died, lol
It sounds like something out of the dead parrot sketch to me. (But they often do have real medical people in those under 5 roles at the hospital, so IDK.)


I work at a hospital. Deaths are reported on our daily census report as "expirations" so her use of "expired" rang true to me.
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Amazee-Dayzee


I don't see Joey as evil for murdering Ava, but I would like there to be SOME sort of consequence for him. He doesn't have to leave the show, he can just get sent to a psyche ward or something.

The Fuckwad Three of Roman, his former sister-in-law and his former son-in-law though should get their asses handed to them. I hope Andre sues them penniless.
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laurondo
Feb 27 2016, 12:27 PM
janem
Feb 27 2016, 12:19 PM
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Feb 27 2016, 11:34 AM

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Actually, & unfortunately, that is how medical people talk. People do not die, pass away.........they "expire".
Really? Cause my mom was a nurse and I know they're not the ones to pronounce time of deaths, but I never once heard her say "expired" for when a patient died, lol
My mom also was a nurse, said it all the time. Perhaps it depends on the area, hospital, etc. My cousin in another state said it is the term used there, as well. :shrug:
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janem
Feb 27 2016, 05:47 PM
laurondo
Feb 27 2016, 12:27 PM
janem
Feb 27 2016, 12:19 PM

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Really? Cause my mom was a nurse and I know they're not the ones to pronounce time of deaths, but I never once heard her say "expired" for when a patient died, lol
My mom also was a nurse, said it all the time. Perhaps it depends on the area, hospital, etc. My cousin in another state said it is the term used there, as well. :shrug:
It's entirely possible my mom just never used the term around me! Either way it sounds rather... weird, to hear, lol
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KLK
Feb 27 2016, 05:18 PM
thepadange
Feb 27 2016, 04:33 PM
The thing is, it's a soap and this allows some of us to like/love "villains" (we would never like IRL) be it because we like actors playing them or for any other reason. I don't feel bad for liking a villain on a soap but I have to admit I never liked (or rooted for) villains when I was younger. For some reason I started liking them in my 30s lol.
I wish we had more gray characters instead of cartoonish villains though. I hate when they make a character that could be potentially gray do horrible things, like rape or kill someone.
For the most part I prefer the bad characters, but I want them well written, and I agree I prefer them gray and not cartoon characters. I don't want them to be all bad and I want to see what makes them tick, why they're motivated to do the bad things that they do.

This! Bad/gray characters are more interesting. :shrug:

I think that's partly the reason why RSW became so talked about once he turned into the serial killer. He was boring as hell as the good guy.
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nananana7
Feb 27 2016, 04:11 PM
DrewHamilton
Feb 27 2016, 09:07 AM
I think that’s a big problem with soaps nowadays. The villains have been on so much and have been turned into real characters that they are no longer viewed as “villains.” These villains shouldn’t have fans upset that they’re being killed. They’re the bad guys!
^ This!

In my opinion, the DiMeras should never have been a core family for the show. Stefano should have been a recurring character for occasional arcs, but that's all.

I refused to watch GH because they made mobster Sonny Corinthos into a main character with a family. That ruined GH for me.
Totally Totally agree with youi!

Stefano should never have been a main character. Should have come to town, raised havoc, and then gone again. Felt like doing a happy dance when Hope shot him. LOL

I quit watching GH when it became the Sonny mob show. Lame mobster. Tony Soprano would have made mince meat out of him. Or a "pork" sandwich! LOL

Another funny thing, is that I hated TB when she was on GH, but liked her on Days. Haven't liked any character she's played though. Go figure. LOL
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Feb 26 2016, 10:57 PM
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Feb 26 2016, 10:40 PM
Amazee-Dayzee
Feb 26 2016, 05:39 PM

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In this case yes....because for three decades Stefano got off scott free for years and years and years of kidnapping, torturing, brainwashing and killing people.....innocent people. And he was allowed to live in the community with the victims, the victims who knew, remembered their suffering at his hands. THAT was the bad writing and for some of us THAT was hard to watch.

For them to have Stefano play the role of granddad with Theo SICKENED me. No way Abe would ever/should ever have allowed the monster who kidnapped and held his best friend captive for seven years, the man who was behind so many injuries to so many of Abe's friends, be close to his son. For Sami to be involved with a Dimera was SICK. And for John, Steve, Roman, Hope and Marlena to have to be near that man after he brainwashed and kidnapped each and every one of them, taking years away from them with their children, their spouses, their parents....too much. These are people who saw their loved ones physically and emotionally destroyed by Stefano and yet NOTHING.

So sorry...I TOTALLY disagree. Had Stefano committed a few crimes and repented, tried to change.....fine. But this man not only lorded his ability to sadistically hurt his victims over them, he taunted them with what he did and would do to the people they loved. I think that is what really put Hope over the top....Stefano trashing Bo to her, laughing that Bo suffered and died. The sadistic narcissist deserved every bit of what Hope did and then some. And because it is not real life we can enjoy it cause heaven knows many of us who complained about the romanticizing of rapists are constantly reminded..."IT's NOT REAL."
Good guys aren't supposed to murder and cover it up..no matter the provocation. And now making Roman a corrupt cop is disgusting. And yeah it's not real but a soap opera, I get that. But when good guys cross the line they become villains and that is not supposed to happen. You end up with a soap full of bad guys. And I'm glad too see a little karma hitting Hope with that creepy phone call. :blulaugh:
Alas I agree with you on most things, but on this......I can't. I feel the show, the writers in this genre have made it impossible to hold the good guys to REAL LIFE standards, while allowing the villains to live in two worlds....the fantastical, and the real. On DAYS, the Dimera crimes are beyond the pale and then some. From creating volcanoes, to multiple lives, to creating a replica of Salem, to private dungeons, private islands, owning judges, cops and politicians, they are impossible to catch even when living amongst many, many eyewitnesses to their crimes. Thus the police, following the rules, do not come off as "good guys" to me, but as constant victims, unable to do ANYTHING AT ALL about criminals. It is too hard to believe ANYONE could be as good as the Bradys or the Blacks, staying inside the law, after all Stefano and Andre have done to John, Roman, Marlena, Hope, Bo and Steve. It is nonsensical to think that any one after being raped or tortured or brainwashed would never, ever be human and react......by doing in the villain. After all Hope did not go over to the Dimeras with a plan to kill him, though she came armed ready to do what she had to do. It was indeed Stefano's taunting that sent her over the top. To expect her to allow Stefano to trash and mock the love of her life after he just died is to expect her to be more than above the law....and that is not fair IMO.

It is SO LOPSIDED in favor of the villains, it ceases, for me, to retain entertainment value. Starting back in the 90s, there was no excitement or mystery as to whether or not Stefano was alive or dead, or able to get away with whatever. In every story we KNEW. Stefano never dies, and never pays for his crimes. His victims could swear in front of the supreme court, backed up by ten other witnesses, and forensic proof and still the writers would have the Dimeras win. And his victims were never allowed to do what so many wanted.......make the villain pay.

Enough is enough. Long past time a Brady or a Black got the upper hand and did it.
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janem


Oh, could not agree more. Remember when the writers had the Feds make a deal with Stefano....pardons, or immunity or forgiveness or something, if he pretended to get a shipment of guns/arms for the Russians? (the writers even had Stefano use his own money, so Stefano stole the money t hat EJ had stolen from Basic Black, making John bankrupt). So Stefano was pardoned of all his crimes the Feds knew about, while the good guys in Salem lost their pensions.
And now Stefano managed to get Andre' pardoned. I think the governor should be impeached, brought up on charges of corruption, Andre's pardon erased, and thus Andre' can stay in jail forever.
Would sure make me happy!
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janem
Feb 27 2016, 12:19 PM
crookedhalo
Feb 27 2016, 11:34 AM
laurondo
Feb 27 2016, 04:15 AM
"I confirmed that she had expired."

"Expired"? Really?
it makes sense, she's been going bad for a while, really starting to rot.. :blulaugh:
Actually, & unfortunately, that is how medical people talk. People do not die, pass away.........they "expire".
Yep, that's been my experience.
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janem
Feb 27 2016, 05:47 PM
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Feb 27 2016, 12:27 PM
janem
Feb 27 2016, 12:19 PM

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Really? Cause my mom was a nurse and I know they're not the ones to pronounce time of deaths, but I never once heard her say "expired" for when a patient died, lol
My mom also was a nurse, said it all the time. Perhaps it depends on the area, hospital, etc. My cousin in another state said it is the term used there, as well. :shrug:
Your comparrison make more sense to me anyway because the previos poster is going by just one person and a tern they use/don`t use.

Your post, on the other hand compares a group or groups of people.
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laurondo
Feb 27 2016, 05:55 PM
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Feb 27 2016, 05:18 PM
thepadange
Feb 27 2016, 04:33 PM
The thing is, it's a soap and this allows some of us to like/love "villains" (we would never like IRL) be it because we like actors playing them or for any other reason. I don't feel bad for liking a villain on a soap but I have to admit I never liked (or rooted for) villains when I was younger. For some reason I started liking them in my 30s lol.
I wish we had more gray characters instead of cartoonish villains though. I hate when they make a character that could be potentially gray do horrible things, like rape or kill someone.
For the most part I prefer the bad characters, but I want them well written, and I agree I prefer them gray and not cartoon characters. I don't want them to be all bad and I want to see what makes them tick, why they're motivated to do the bad things that they do.

This! Bad/gray characters are more interesting. :shrug:

I think that's partly the reason why RSW became so talked about once he turned into the serial killer. He was boring as hell as the good guy.
And that's the fault of the writing. "Good" characters can be interesting too but it takes skilled writers to bring that about. Days hasn't had that kind of writing in decades.
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If it had been WayneNorthrop-Roman ... in this episode ... I think it would have been more believable on a gut level ... for total understanding about what Hope did.

It should have been Wayne. A total payoff for the audience for decades of DiMeras torturing the Bradys.

(I would bet that many longtime viewers would happily pretend that the Alex North situation never happened.)

It should have been Wayne-Roman that Hope confided in. It should have been Wayne-Roman who decided not to arrest her. It should be Wayne-Roman at the pub next week when they celebrate Stefano's death.

I want this.
I *need* this.
Edited by nananana7, Feb 27 2016, 07:54 PM.
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jam6242
Feb 27 2016, 07:07 PM
laurondo
Feb 27 2016, 05:55 PM
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Feb 27 2016, 05:18 PM

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This! Bad/gray characters are more interesting. :shrug:

I think that's partly the reason why RSW became so talked about once he turned into the serial killer. He was boring as hell as the good guy.
And that's the fault of the writing. "Good" characters can be interesting too but it takes skilled writers to bring that about. Days hasn't had that kind of writing in decades.
I was gonna say...and let's not pretend that there haven't also been huge writing mistakes in the writing for villains. Some villains may be more interest, but we've also had a LOT of duds. And some are interesting sometimes and boring other times. It's not good=boring and bad=interesting. It's well-written=interesting and poorly written=boring.
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Andre blackmailed Aiden into being a "hitman" -- to kill Hope.

I have a question: Did Stefano know that Andre ordered the hit on Hope? Was Stefano complicit in the crime?

(I focused more on the non-murder storylines, and didn't focus on the murder plots, so I honestly don't know.)
Edited by nananana7, Feb 27 2016, 08:09 PM.
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nananana7
Feb 27 2016, 08:08 PM
Andre blackmailed Aiden into being a "hitman" -- to kill Hope.

I have a question: Did Stefano know that Andre ordered the hit on Hope? Was Stefano complicit in the crime?

(I focused more on the non-murder storylines, and didn't focus on the murder plots, so I honestly don't know.)
Yes, Stefano knew Andre had Aidren try to kill Hope. He was in the room when they had their discussions.
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Restless84
Feb 27 2016, 08:16 PM
nananana7
Feb 27 2016, 08:08 PM
Andre blackmailed Aiden into being a "hitman" -- to kill Hope.

I have a question: Did Stefano know that Andre ordered the hit on Hope? Was Stefano complicit in the crime?

(I focused more on the non-murder storylines, and didn't focus on the murder plots, so I honestly don't know.)
Yes, Stefano knew Andre had Aidren try to kill Hope. He was in the room when they had their discussions.
Thank you.
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Feb 27 2016, 07:53 PM
If it had been WayneNorthrop-Roman ... in this episode ... I think it would have been more believable on a gut level ... for total understanding about what Hope did.

It should have been Wayne. A total payoff for the audience for decades of DiMeras torturing the Bradys.

(I would bet that many longtime viewers would happily pretend that the Alex North situation never happened.)

It should have been Wayne-Roman that Hope confided in. It should have been Wayne-Roman who decided not to arrest her. It should be Wayne-Roman at the pub next week when they celebrate Stefano's death.

I want this.
I *need* this.
Since the thumbs up doesn't seem to be working, I just have to say ... (But still ...)

This! All day long! :D
Edited by frivolity, Feb 27 2016, 08:27 PM.
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