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SOD: Joey Murders Ava!
Topic Started: Feb 26 2016, 09:55 PM (3,898 Views)
bygnedys
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Thank you JCP.

I don't understand post Patch, are you saying you think Joey imagined doing all those things?

It clearly showed him pull the fire alarm. It showed Ava sitting up in bed talking to him before he put pillow over her. Is it possible that some of that street drug she kept buying might have been contaminated and finally infected her blood system enough to kill her? Joey's a good kid, they will find a way to show he didn't actually kill her.
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bygnedys
Mar 1 2016, 10:33 AM
I don't understand post Patch, are you saying you think Joey imagined doing all those things?

It clearly showed him pull the fire alarm. It showed Ava sitting up in bed talking to him before he put pillow over her. Is it possible that some of that street drug she kept buying might have been contaminated and finally infected her blood system enough to kill her? Joey's a good kid, they will find a way to show he didn't actually kill her.
I know they showed him doing those things but Joey was clearly either very drunk or drugged and I can't help but think that we were seeing things through his eyes which could be all hallucinations. It's too cut and dried for it to actually be Joey that killed her. I've never seen a murder on a soap shown like that where there's apparently no question about who did it so I have to believe that there is a twist coming at some point that will show that maybe Ava was already dead and that her being alive when Joey entered the room was just him hallucinating.
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janem


That alarm was still ringing when Patch entered the room. Joey did pull it.
Yes, Ava did seem rather weak, and could have died as a result of something else, which many are hoping will be the case.

As to seeing a murder on a soap with no doubt who did it...what about Ben killing Will?
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janem
Mar 3 2016, 11:29 AM
That alarm was still ringing when Patch entered the room. Joey did pull it.
Yes, Ava did seem rather weak, and could have died as a result of something else, which many are hoping will be the case.

As to seeing a murder on a soap with no doubt who did it...what about Ben killing Will?
Or Hope killing Stefano.

I'm more inclined to believe that there isn't going to be a magic fix to this and this is more about the audience accepting that Ava was evil and "deserved" to die. If they were going that way, I wish they would have set things up much better with Ava at least taunting Joey or something. And, I sincerely hope that we see Steve and Kayla getting Joe some help.
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dkb


I think the mystery helper is possibly Deimos. With Days' tendencies to tie villains to over-arching conspiracies, I wouldn't be surprised if he's tied to the snake tattoo/symbol. And, didn't we see that VI and SN/MBE would be working together? Perhaps Deimos has the means to help Steve and then Steve's beholden to him for work/future favors...just a theory.
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dkb
Mar 3 2016, 06:37 PM
I think the mystery helper is possibly Deimos. With Days' tendencies to tie villains to over-arching conspiracies, I wouldn't be surprised if he's tied to the snake tattoo/symbol. And, didn't we see that VI and SN/MBE would be working together? Perhaps Deimos has the means to help Steve and then Steve's beholden to him for work/future favors...just a theory.
It's possible. We do know from the spoilers that Deimos is going to tie into Winterthorne and John's story, so Deimos would be pulling triple duty if he tied into Bo's disappearance, John's parents, and Ava's schemes. That seems like a lot for one villain, but I wouldn't be totally opposed if it created some kind of umbrella story.

I just hope it's not totally random. Given Justin's rather asshole-ish behavior today, I would love it if Adrienne were the one helping Steve to get the charges dismissed, but I doubt it.
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janem
Mar 3 2016, 11:29 AM
That alarm was still ringing when Patch entered the room. Joey did pull it.
Yes, Ava did seem rather weak, and could have died as a result of something else, which many are hoping will be the case.

As to seeing a murder on a soap with no doubt who did it...what about Ben killing Will?
We knew that RSW was more than likely leaving the show so it wasn't any surprise that they had Ben killing his victims onscreen but with Joey's it's completely different. I seriously doubt that this story means that James Lastovic i.e. Joey is leaving the show so that means there's going to have to be something that gets him out from under murdering Ava and I don't think it's that Steve will be going to jail. I suspect that someone will find out that Ava died by other means or that Steve and Kayla will find enough evidence to prove Steve's self defense claim.
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cord08
Mar 3 2016, 06:48 PM
dkb
Mar 3 2016, 06:37 PM
I think the mystery helper is possibly Deimos. With Days' tendencies to tie villains to over-arching conspiracies, I wouldn't be surprised if he's tied to the snake tattoo/symbol. And, didn't we see that VI and SN/MBE would be working together? Perhaps Deimos has the means to help Steve and then Steve's beholden to him for work/future favors...just a theory.
It's possible. We do know from the spoilers that Deimos is going to tie into Winterthorne and John's story, so Deimos would be pulling triple duty if he tied into Bo's disappearance, John's parents, and Ava's schemes. That seems like a lot for one villain, but I wouldn't be totally opposed if it created some kind of umbrella story.

I just hope it's not totally random. Given Justin's rather asshole-ish behavior today, I would love it if Adrienne were the one helping Steve to get the charges dismissed, but I doubt it.
I think this might be an interesting route - if the writers take it there. Bo, John & Steve were all heavily involved in what happened in Stockholm back in the day... they could be setting this up to tie back in to that.


ETA: I really didn't think they'd have Joey actually murder Ava, so I'm on board with the theory that something else killed her & he just thinks he did it. The timing of all of this seems like it might wrap up in May sweeps, too. We'll see - and I hope they really delve into this storyline - gimme all the John and Steve stories you want Days!!
Edited by No1_ILoveLucyFan, Mar 6 2016, 12:20 PM.
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Amazee-Dayzee


I also refuse to believe that Joey murdered Ava also. Maybe somebody else injected her with something and she died that way and Joey smothering her didn't do much to change the fact that she was already dying for her injection. That way Joey will only be charged with assault and attempted murder.

Anyway, unless JLa is leaving the show, I refuse to believe Joey murdered Ava. We already have the ex-wife of his uncle murdering in cold blood so I doubt they will have Joey murder also. And if they do, then they went too far. NOBODY has the right to murder anybody, no matter how evil they are. I also don't think Stefano is dead either...
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#SorryNotSorry

For me at least, it doesn't make much difference if there was some other reason that Ava was compromised. Joey finished her off, and that's murder... unless somehow she herself had a way to fake it.

I hope they handle it a little bit better than Hope/Stefano. I think it's totally in character for Steve and Kayla to cover, and I don't necessarily expect something like prison for Joey, but it needs to be shown having a huge impact on him for a long time.
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lysie


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Mar 6 2016, 09:31 PM
For me at least, it doesn't make much difference if there was some other reason that Ava was compromised. Joey finished her off, and that's murder... unless somehow she herself had a way to fake it.

I hope they handle it a little bit better than Hope/Stefano. I think it's totally in character for Steve and Kayla to cover, and I don't necessarily expect something like prison for Joey, but it needs to be shown having a huge impact on him for a long time.
I agree. And even if he didn't do it, he intended to. It might make a difference in some sort of legal thing, but it doesn't make a difference in who he is as a character. And hopefully they remember that.
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What bothers me the most is that he killed a helpless woman in a hospital bed. If it had happened during a fight as self defense or something similar it would have been half so bad.
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lysie
Mar 6 2016, 09:34 PM
granolagirl
Mar 6 2016, 09:31 PM
For me at least, it doesn't make much difference if there was some other reason that Ava was compromised. Joey finished her off, and that's murder... unless somehow she herself had a way to fake it.

I hope they handle it a little bit better than Hope/Stefano. I think it's totally in character for Steve and Kayla to cover, and I don't necessarily expect something like prison for Joey, but it needs to be shown having a huge impact on him for a long time.
I agree. And even if he didn't do it, he intended to. It might make a difference in some sort of legal thing, but it doesn't make a difference in who he is as a character. And hopefully they remember that.
Can't we use the Bernardi defence twice?
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concerned
Mar 6 2016, 09:42 PM
lysie
Mar 6 2016, 09:34 PM
granolagirl
Mar 6 2016, 09:31 PM
For me at least, it doesn't make much difference if there was some other reason that Ava was compromised. Joey finished her off, and that's murder... unless somehow she herself had a way to fake it.

I hope they handle it a little bit better than Hope/Stefano. I think it's totally in character for Steve and Kayla to cover, and I don't necessarily expect something like prison for Joey, but it needs to be shown having a huge impact on him for a long time.
I agree. And even if he didn't do it, he intended to. It might make a difference in some sort of legal thing, but it doesn't make a difference in who he is as a character. And hopefully they remember that.
Can't we use the Bernardi defence twice?
Are you saying there was a male nurse (Ava's ex-boyfriend) who actually killed Ava :blulaugh: ?
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PatchSweetness


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Mar 6 2016, 08:03 PM
I also refuse to believe that Joey murdered Ava also. Maybe somebody else injected her with something and she died that way and Joey smothering her didn't do much to change the fact that she was already dying for her injection. That way Joey will only be charged with assault and attempted murder.

I agree completely with you on this part of your post. I just can't accept that Joey murdered Ava. There has to be more to it because it's just too cut and dried for my taste and very anticlimactic. I'd rather it be that it was someone that was after Ava for her mob stuff and that Joey smothering her only quickened up her death.

We've heard nothing about JL leaving the show so I just can't see them having Joey being a murderer. There has to be some kind of twist coming in this story that we're not expecting. Maybe they do an autopsy and find out that she was in fact drugged with something lethal and that the smothering by Joey wasn't the primary cause of her death.

I could see it being Joey if the actor was leaving but with that more than likely not happening I just can't see it being Joey that was the primary person responsible for her death.
Edited by PatchSweetness, Mar 9 2016, 03:21 AM.
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Mar 6 2016, 09:42 PM
What bothers me the most is that he killed a helpless woman in a hospital bed. If it had happened during a fight as self defense or something similar it would have been half so bad.
Oh, that won't matter. It never does. Steve choked her a few times, manhandled her more than a few yet all Ava did was get him to Indonesia and make him sleep with her, yet she's a monster and a witch. It makes no nevermind that Stefano, Victor, Kristen, EJ and others have done worse. Ava is this uber bad woman because she supposedly raped Steve and was a pedophile stalker of Joey.

In a pig's eye. It really does bother me that Stefano did more in his lifetime than Ava, but she's this rancid nutcase? And yes, Ava was helpless. Everytime Steve choked her I just wanted to scream out, "WOW, a real gentleman that one....." And if anyone brings up Ava taking Kayla to that room, I'm going to scream. How in the blazes could she take her anywhere? Ava had a heck of a tie pulling Kayla into her room at the Martin House, yet we're supposed to believe that she was capable of carrying Kayla past employees and Julie to take her someplace to hide her? Get real! Let's face it, this storyline was effed up and it in no way should have happened. Ava should never have been brought back this way. I've resisted posting to this board for a few weeks because I'm still angry that this was how they wrote Tamara off, but I had to come in on this one. #RealMenDontChoke

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samskara2012
Mar 12 2016, 05:21 PM
thepadange
Mar 6 2016, 09:42 PM
What bothers me the most is that he killed a helpless woman in a hospital bed. If it had happened during a fight as self defense or something similar it would have been half so bad.
Oh, that won't matter. It never does. Steve choked her a few times, manhandled her more than a few yet all Ava did was get him to Indonesia and make him sleep with her, yet she's a monster and a witch. It makes no nevermind that Stefano, Victor, Kristen, EJ and others have done worse. Ava is this uber bad woman because she supposedly raped Steve and was a pedophile stalker of Joey.

In a pig's eye. It really does bother me that Stefano did more in his lifetime than Ava, but she's this rancid nutcase? And yes, Ava was helpless. Everytime Steve choked her I just wanted to scream out, "WOW, a real gentleman that one....." And if anyone brings up Ava taking Kayla to that room, I'm going to scream. How in the blazes could she take her anywhere? Ava had a heck of a tie pulling Kayla into her room at the Martin House, yet we're supposed to believe that she was capable of carrying Kayla past employees and Julie to take her someplace to hide her? Get real! Let's face it, this storyline was effed up and it in no way should have happened. Ava should never have been brought back this way. I've resisted posting to this board for a few weeks because I'm still angry that this was how they wrote Tamara off, but I had to come in on this one. #RealMenDontChoke

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Well, that's not all Ava did anyway, but have I missed where people think Stefano, EJ, Kristen, and Victor are better than Ava? I'd agree that they're more entertaining, but I'm not sure where you're going pointing out that they're worse. They're villains, too.
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You think Stefano's never taken it on the chin for his actions? That Kristen hasn't? Not so.

Thing is, though, no matter what they've done, it doesn't change what Ava's done.

They're all reprehensible.
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The biggest crime on a soap is being boring, and that's exactly what Ava was. The most boring psychopath ever. Therefore, under those terms, she truly is the worst villain, or at the very least, near the very top.
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Mar 12 2016, 05:21 PM
thepadange
Mar 6 2016, 09:42 PM
What bothers me the most is that he killed a helpless woman in a hospital bed. If it had happened during a fight as self defense or something similar it would have been half so bad.
Oh, that won't matter. It never does. Steve choked her a few times, manhandled her more than a few yet all Ava did was get him to Indonesia and make him sleep with her, yet she's a monster and a witch. It makes no nevermind that Stefano, Victor, Kristen, EJ and others have done worse. Ava is this uber bad woman because she supposedly raped Steve and was a pedophile stalker of Joey.

In a pig's eye. It really does bother me that Stefano did more in his lifetime than Ava, but she's this rancid nutcase? And yes, Ava was helpless. Everytime Steve choked her I just wanted to scream out, "WOW, a real gentleman that one....." And if anyone brings up Ava taking Kayla to that room, I'm going to scream. How in the blazes could she take her anywhere? Ava had a heck of a tie pulling Kayla into her room at the Martin House, yet we're supposed to believe that she was capable of carrying Kayla past employees and Julie to take her someplace to hide her? Get real! Let's face it, this storyline was effed up and it in no way should have happened. Ava should never have been brought back this way. I've resisted posting to this board for a few weeks because I'm still angry that this was how they wrote Tamara off, but I had to come in on this one. #RealMenDontChoke

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Yeah, that's not all Ava did by half. But whatever.

Let's see, Stefano was shot dead in his wheelchair, EJ was shot by a drug dealer, Kristen got pushed out a window. So how did they fair better than Ava? And who exactly has argued that Ava was worse? They were villains, she's a villain.

And I'd like to be clear, are you saying Ava didn't kidnap Kayla? Because we saw her assault her. And we saw Ava tell Joey where she was. So, if Ava didn't kidnap Kayla how did she know where Kayla was being held?

Steve choking her and "manhandling" her doesn't change a single thing Ava did. And it didn't seem to bother Ava a bit. Apparently, she didn't want a gentleman.
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