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Spoilers for the Week of March 14th
Topic Started: Mar 4 2016, 08:14 PM (49,816 Views)
JackieO1
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Lovejm
Mar 9 2016, 09:41 PM
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Mar 9 2016, 09:36 PM
I was thinking about all the layers of this John's past story and it could actually be really brilliant of written well. If history is respected and the beats are played. Adding in the tragedy of Bo's imprisonment will tie in the Brady's, adding Paul gives a new layer to a still new character who the audience can become vested in, victors role in procuring the treatment, and it is, as is being totted, a love story. In which John (maybe) finally realizes that who he is has very little to do with his parentage and everything to do with who he has become (Marlena's (provisional) husband, father, grandfather, all around Salems hero....I for one am excited to see it unfold and I have faith (however unwarranted it may be) that it could be done well. Drake seems to be feeling it so that's always a positive!
Yep that's what I wanted out of this. He closes the book on his past. His parents sucked. And he can focus on his life with Marlena and the kids.

And I love the angle that his dad was behind what happened to Bo. And maybe he likely worked with Stefano too from way back.
I would love for them to explore when and exactly how Stefano entered the picture. Was John purchased by Stefano from Winterthorne and then began the sordid tale? How did the Alamaims fit in? So many questions, but I think, and hope, they have written this with a full run down on history and with respect to that history.
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Lovejm


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Mar 9 2016, 09:45 PM
Lovejm
Mar 9 2016, 09:41 PM
Pennsylvania
Mar 9 2016, 09:36 PM
I was thinking about all the layers of this John's past story and it could actually be really brilliant of written well. If history is respected and the beats are played. Adding in the tragedy of Bo's imprisonment will tie in the Brady's, adding Paul gives a new layer to a still new character who the audience can become vested in, victors role in procuring the treatment, and it is, as is being totted, a love story. In which John (maybe) finally realizes that who he is has very little to do with his parentage and everything to do with who he has become (Marlena's (provisional) husband, father, grandfather, all around Salems hero....I for one am excited to see it unfold and I have faith (however unwarranted it may be) that it could be done well. Drake seems to be feeling it so that's always a positive!
Yep that's what I wanted out of this. He closes the book on his past. His parents sucked. And he can focus on his life with Marlena and the kids.

And I love the angle that his dad was behind what happened to Bo. And maybe he likely worked with Stefano too from way back.
I would love for them to explore when and exactly how Stefano entered the picture. Was John purchased by Stefano from Winterthorne and then began the sordid tale? How did the Alamaims fit in? So many questions, but I think, and hope, they have written this with a full run down on history and with respect to that history.
I think the dad trained John. And then 'sold' him to Stefano. Petrov was like the handler that delivered RoJohn to Salem
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Mar 9 2016, 09:41 PM
Jennifer1580
Mar 9 2016, 09:15 PM
DrewHamilton
Mar 9 2016, 08:58 PM
I honestly have no issues with Paul's involvement in this story. He's doing nothing! Both Brady and Belle have stories of their own currently. Sure, they could've included either in Paul's place and it would've connected two separate stories together, but then Paul would still be doing nothing. At the end of the day, Paul is John's son. End of story. I applaud Griffith and company for using Paul to support John's story rather than using John to support a Paul story I care nothing about because I don't care about the character. Paul's supportive role over the last few months has actually made me like the character. So when it is time for Paul to get his own story, I won't mind.
ITA! If Paul is ever going to carry a story of his own that the fans will care about the fans have to care and empathize with Paul first. The only way to do that is to establish roots and ties to characters most fans already love and care about. If this stuff with John and Paul is done right it will add layers to not only John but Paul as well.
I cared about him more before they re wrote history for him....

I don't need a character to be biologically tied to the canvas to love and care about a character.

It's just lazy writing and I resent it.
I wasn't talking about the biological tie between John and Paul though like it or not they are related. I meant the roots that will possibly happen because of the shared experience of this crisis Paul will face with John. Hopefully we will have more insight into what Paul is made of.
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Lovejm
Mar 9 2016, 09:41 PM
Pennsylvania
Mar 9 2016, 09:36 PM
I was thinking about all the layers of this John's past story and it could actually be really brilliant of written well. If history is respected and the beats are played. Adding in the tragedy of Bo's imprisonment will tie in the Brady's, adding Paul gives a new layer to a still new character who the audience can become vested in, victors role in procuring the treatment, and it is, as is being totted, a love story. In which John (maybe) finally realizes that who he is has very little to do with his parentage and everything to do with who he has become (Marlena's (provisional) husband, father, grandfather, all around Salems hero....I for one am excited to see it unfold and I have faith (however unwarranted it may be) that it could be done well. Drake seems to be feeling it so that's always a positive!
Yep that's what I wanted out of this. He closes the book on his past. His parents sucked. And he can focus on his life with Marlena and the kids.

And I love the angle that his dad was behind what happened to Bo. And maybe he likely worked with Stefano too from way back.
I wouldn't mind if it is also pointed out that from all actuality John should be the most evil SOB considering his parentage and his training but he isn't in large part because of the love he found with Marlena. John has said many times over the years Marlena's love made him the man that he is. It would be nice to explore the nurture vs nature aspect of this.
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Jennifer1580
Mar 9 2016, 10:03 PM
Lovejm
Mar 9 2016, 09:41 PM
Pennsylvania
Mar 9 2016, 09:36 PM
I was thinking about all the layers of this John's past story and it could actually be really brilliant of written well. If history is respected and the beats are played. Adding in the tragedy of Bo's imprisonment will tie in the Brady's, adding Paul gives a new layer to a still new character who the audience can become vested in, victors role in procuring the treatment, and it is, as is being totted, a love story. In which John (maybe) finally realizes that who he is has very little to do with his parentage and everything to do with who he has become (Marlena's (provisional) husband, father, grandfather, all around Salems hero....I for one am excited to see it unfold and I have faith (however unwarranted it may be) that it could be done well. Drake seems to be feeling it so that's always a positive!
Yep that's what I wanted out of this. He closes the book on his past. His parents sucked. And he can focus on his life with Marlena and the kids.

And I love the angle that his dad was behind what happened to Bo. And maybe he likely worked with Stefano too from way back.
I wouldn't mind if it is also pointed out that from all actuality John should be the most evil SOB considering his parentage and his training but he isn't in large part because of the love he found with Marlena. John has said many times over the years Marlena's love made him the man that he is. It would be nice to explore the nurture vs nature aspect of this.
For sure. And he actually said that in the fall. That his life began with her and how she made him who he is
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lysie
Mar 9 2016, 09:21 PM
thepadange
Mar 9 2016, 08:33 PM
kay
Mar 9 2016, 08:26 PM

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Those stories were written by the writers as well. And it's not that the "stories" they are involved in are all that important. They could leave their bubbles for quite some time and nothing bad will happen to "their stories".
Is this somehow in question?
It seems to me it is.
I don't get the explanation that characters can't be in the story X because they are in the stories Y or Z. The writers created the stories X, Y, Z and the characters easily could have been in the story X, and the stories Y, Z could have been different. None of these things were predetermined
Same goes for characters.
Edited by thepadange, Mar 9 2016, 10:28 PM.
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Lovejm
Mar 7 2016, 02:14 PM
LOL at Brady messing around with Theresa while half the town is looking for his dad. You can't make this up.
I love Thrady but that IS totally messed up.
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ssedai2
Mar 9 2016, 10:10 PM
Lovejm
Mar 7 2016, 02:14 PM
LOL at Brady messing around with Theresa while half the town is looking for his dad. You can't make this up.
I love Thrady but that IS totally messed up.
something tells me they won't tell him just like he didn't know about Deimos, can't tell you why
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Ana75
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Mar 8 2016, 12:46 PM
When is Chloe returning? EM and NB had good chemistry. I wouldn't mind a Broe redux.
I really hope that they do!!! They would be so hot together.
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thepadange
Mar 9 2016, 10:06 PM
lysie
Mar 9 2016, 09:21 PM
thepadange
Mar 9 2016, 08:33 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepThose stories were written by the writers as well. And it's not that the "stories" they are involved in are all that important. They could leave their bubbles for quite some time and nothing bad will happen to "their stories".
Is this somehow in question?
It seems to me it is.
I don't get the explanation that characters can't be in the story X because they are in the stories Y or Z. The writers created the stories X, Y, Z and the characters easily could have been in the story X, and the stories Y, Z could have been different. None of these things were predetermined
Same goes for characters.
I'm pretty sure everyone knows the stories are being written. Except Brooke Shields' character on Friends.

But like...part of writing is predetermining things, so yes, these things were predetermined. They could have used other characters. Maybe they should have. In this particular instance though, I'm so sick of Brady that I'm glad they're using Paul. And I think Belle's greater involvement would actually take away from the story they're telling. :shrug:
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I actually really like the sound of these spoilers.

The John stuff sounds really good and I agree that using Paul is a really good beat. if they are going to keep him around, use him. This may spark story for him and add alot to the character. Also, if it's Brady or Belle, it does take away from the J&M focus because the focus is shared. You would then have to deal with Brady and everyone involved with him being dragged in or Belle and everyone involving her being dragged in. Both should be involved but as supporting roles in terms of supporting John and Marlena. If you want this to be a John and Marlena story (which it should be given the focus is on John's past), then this is the best way to go about it. The only other person involved is Paul but even that is minimal and a means to an end to up the stakes. Maybe this will set something up for him but that will come after this story. I really like the connection to Bo's death and the cool thing is Deimos WAS still involved. He is the one that chose to go about getting the serum the way he did. He didn't have to go that far but he did. He's still responsible and this still builds him up as a villain but it makes far more sense given Deimos just got out of jail recently. Basically, this whole mess with John's dad helped Deimos's position. Obviously, he got paid well and got benefits from it and for someone just getting out of jail and looking for revenge it makes sense.

The Joey stuff is fine. He's a teenager who is an emotional wreck and has a girl who is interested in him that is pushing and pushing for info. I can buy him telling her. Teenagers make dumb decisions like that all the time.

The Chad/Abby stuff sounds awesome. Glad both KM and BF had so much input. That is why I like this regime. They allow for a collaborative effort. The actors know the characters and were allowed influence. And this is the good kind of influence from actor's. Not like SR and MB with the egg baby nonsense.
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lysie
Mar 9 2016, 11:33 PM
thepadange
Mar 9 2016, 10:06 PM
lysie
Mar 9 2016, 09:21 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepThose stories were written by the writers as well.
It seems to me it is.
I don't get the explanation that characters can't be in the story X because they are in the stories Y or Z. The writers created the stories X, Y, Z and the characters easily could have been in the story X, and the stories Y, Z could have been different. None of these things were predetermined
Same goes for characters.
I'm pretty sure everyone knows the stories are being written. Except Brooke Shields' character on Friends.

But like...part of writing is predetermining things, so yes, these things were predetermined. They could have used other characters. Maybe they should have. In this particular instance though, I'm so sick of Brady that I'm glad they're using Paul. And I think Belle's greater involvement would actually take away from the story they're telling. :shrug:
Agreed. I'd rather just have Marlena worried about getting John back, then Belle being there with him too. And I hope we see her very worried for her parents.
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Perhaps John's daddy grabs Paul because of the "Asian" thing? :shrug:

Either way I am just glad to see John and Marlena in a story... then once every two weeks. Paul doesn't bother me... at this rate if Belle or Brady was kidnapped I want the kidnapper to KEEP them because they are both on my last nerve!
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lysie


I don't care for it when the actors take credit for their dialogue. I don't mind when they mention occasional ad libs or whatever, but otherwise, I don't like it. It'd be different if a writer or director credited them in a magazine, but I wish the actors would keep quiet about stuff like that. Seems kind of disrespectful to the production/writers. It doesn't help that I've never been particularly fond of any of the vows the actors have managed to come up with. Actors tend to have a weird view of their pairings' stories...and they're often even cheesier than the script writers.

That being said...I do like that KM spoke up about having JJ there. And it's ridiculous that she had to in the first place. I'm still pretty disappointed in the guest list overall. I get why it is what it is, but I really wish they'd spread these stories out more.
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moniker11


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Mar 9 2016, 09:36 PM
I was thinking about all the layers of this John's past story and it could actually be really brilliant of written well. If history is respected and the beats are played. Adding in the tragedy of Bo's imprisonment will tie in the Brady's, adding Paul gives a new layer to a still new character who the audience can become vested in, victors role in procuring the treatment, and it is, as is being totted, a love story. In which John (maybe) finally realizes that who he is has very little to do with his parentage and everything to do with who he has become (Marlena's (provisional) husband, father, grandfather, all around Salems hero....I for one am excited to see it unfold and I have faith (however unwarranted it may be) that it could be done well. Drake seems to be feeling it so that's always a positive!
This says everything I wish I could have said. Paul is a nice way to keep John there, because we all know he'd have escaped or died trying once Marlena was free. Paul as a bargaining chip makes sense. It also gives Marlena and everyone else who cares about John a chance to help free him rather than him rescuing others, as he often has in the past.

John's dad being partially responsible for Bo's dead, adds a whole new layer of grief to the story as well. It also damn sure means at least John and Steve will gun for Deimos sometime in the future. I hope Eduardo is along for the ride.
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Mar 10 2016, 12:44 AM
Perhaps John's daddy grabs Paul because of the "Asian" thing? :shrug:

Either way I am just glad to see John and Marlena in a story... then once every two weeks. Paul doesn't bother me... at this rate if Belle or Brady was kidnapped I want the kidnapper to KEEP them because they are both on my last nerve!
I think grabbing Paul was just a matter of convenience. Paul was in the square that day and may have seen Marlena kidnapped. Brady was gone, Belle was probably screwing Phillip so story wise he was the obvious option.
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I like that John's dad is behind Bo's death but it's disappointing they couldn't find an actor willing to play the role for 3 months because 5 episodes is not enough.

It makes sense that Paul was kidnapped and not Brady or Belle. It's just easier to grab someone who spends a lot of time alone.

I think they could be some interesting beats between a lot of characters once the story is over: John with Marlena, Paul, Hope, Eddie with his family, Deimos with everyone. I hope they won't just start something else immediately.
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Mar 10 2016, 01:36 AM
I like that John's dad is behind Bo's death but it's disappointing they couldn't find an actor willing to play the role for 3 months because 5 episodes is not enough.

It makes sense that Paul was kidnapped and not Brady or Belle. It's just easier to grab someone who spends a lot of time alone.

I think they could be some interesting beats between a lot of characters once the story is over: John with Marlena, Paul, Hope, Eddie with his family, Deimos with everyone. I hope they won't just start something else immediately.
I'm not a fan of this twist. It ties John into the Deimos story but it feels like a really halfa$$ knot especially with "the mastermind" only there for 5 episodes. It also feels like it further weakens Deimos new "super-villain" stand unless they work in further ridiculous contrivances and coincidences to make him more of the master manipulator in the Bo story (which they can do rather easily). Did Deimos even have anything to do with this latest kidnapping? (That would be a better J/D tie-in; D gave intel, etc) John's background story is comical ridiculousness. Kudos to it being done with (for the time being). Bo risking death for over a year to protect the serum, Victor risking the life of his family AND Phillip then giving the serum up in 90 seconds and that being that? Anti-climatic, but the serum also was comical ridiculousness. Boy, Deimos was getting chit done from jail,lol. IDK. Meh.

I guess the interactions/aftermath has potential. I like that it looks like we'll be getting larger cast interactions after so many months of bubbles. I'm looking forward to the beat of John revealing this information to Hope and all the ramifications that will come from THE PROOF. The shifting dynamics of fathers/sons (Eduardo/Rafe, John/Paul) will be an interesting beat. If I can stop rolling my eyes, I guess the beat of John having to deal with the knowledge that his dad raised him to be an assassin and sold him to the highest bidder (I'm guessing that is what happened) is interesting psychological drama for John, John & Marlena.

Edited by AngelaP, Mar 10 2016, 02:17 AM.
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moniker11


I hope Deimos takes an El Chapo type turn where, yeah he was in jail but he was running things while there so it makes it seem less contrived that he's out one day and hip deep in a deal with Jigsaw the next. Also if they go that route there's more gravitas, for lack of a better word, behind Deimos besides a guy who stole Victor's ex and spent 30 years in prison.

For me the scenes with Jigsaw will hopefully rock but honestly the story isn't about him, it's about how John and the rest of his family deals with everything that happens once his dad is dead. So as long as I get the proper payoffs and beats played I'll be happy. More aftermath than what Will got would be appreciated.
Edited by moniker11, Mar 10 2016, 03:29 AM.
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Yay more Paul!

I don't even care that it'd make more sense if it were Brady or Belle taken. They already have storylines, Paul doesn't. Works for me.
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