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John in the 90s (with Kristen/Susan) wasn't especially smart either. How could he even imagine Kristen would wear THAT outfit for her wedding lol.
John was brainless all the while he was with Kristen. But unlike Brady at least he was noble. Noble? I don't see it that way. John was a big fat LIAR most of the time he was with Kristen. He had feelings for Marlena and kept sleeping with Kristen and telling her he loved her. Dishonest, if you ask me. (And that's where I lost Kristen, I don't get why Kristen wanted him after all of this). At least Brady - whatever his personality - had real feelings for her.
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Even w/o Paul, Brady probably wouldn't be there for his parents. He's isolated in Braniel/Summer crap.
I hate that Brady isn't involved in this story with John. It sometimes is hard to believe that Brady is John Blacks son. John would be so suspicious of Summer yet Brady is completely clueless.
This is one of the things that frustrates me about DAYS. They haven't built up a younger set to take over adventure storylines. Those were my favorite stories I think. Of course DAYS didn't make the ISA as important as the WSB was on GH, but that is something I think GH does better. They have involved at least to a certain extent the younger set in the parent's adventure stories. Robin was a doctor, but was still involved when Anna and Robert came back briefly several years ago. And when Luke and Laura had a brief adventure when TG left Lucky and Lulu were involved. You don't even have to make the younger actors secret agents to involve them in the stories, but I would prefer they did that to a degree. I was actually thinking about this because I keep seeing all these vets doing adventure stories on DAYS and I think WTF? Why would anyone want to see that? But then I think if it were reversed and we were looking at GH I would definitely want to see Anna and Robert in an adventure story, but the difference is that it isn't JUST about Anna and Robert. It does involve the younger characters. At least to a certain extent. I just really want to see something that DAYS will never give me. It's like a craving that will never get satisfied. I love all the secret agent stuff, but I don't want to see another John and Marlena story. I think it's time to move on and bring in some fresh blood. And that is what I think is really wrong with DAYS. They go to one extreme or another. It's either all vets all the time or get rid of them all. I still want them around, but I don't want them to drive story. Neither do I want them to bring on completely new characters that I have no connections to. They have plenty of legacy characters that they could use for this - JJ, Eric, Brady, Shawn - just to name a few. I think the 80s adventure stories were successful for a reason, but you can't replicate that with recycled vet stories. I think they need to take the legacy characters they have and create some adventure around those characters. It really isn't that hard. They are just too stupid to do it. Seems to me that that's kind of the point of this story. It does involve more people. Hence the complaints, because heaven forbid it not just be about John and Marlena.
I don't really see this as an adventure story though. Days hasn't really done one of those in a long time.
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John was brainless all the while he was with Kristen. But unlike Brady at least he was noble.
Noble? I don't see it that way. John was a big fat LIAR most of the time he was with Kristen. He had feelings for Marlena and kept sleeping with Kristen and telling her he loved her. Dishonest, if you ask me. (And that's where I lost Kristen, I don't get why Kristen wanted him after all of this). At least Brady - whatever his personality - had real feelings for her. I wouldn't call him noble, but I don't think he was really dishonest either. :shrug:
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This is one of the things that frustrates me about DAYS. They haven't built up a younger set to take over adventure storylines. Those were my favorite stories I think. Of course DAYS didn't make the ISA as important as the WSB was on GH, but that is something I think GH does better. They have involved at least to a certain extent the younger set in the parent's adventure stories. Robin was a doctor, but was still involved when Anna and Robert came back briefly several years ago. And when Luke and Laura had a brief adventure when TG left Lucky and Lulu were involved. You don't even have to make the younger actors secret agents to involve them in the stories, but I would prefer they did that to a degree. I was actually thinking about this because I keep seeing all these vets doing adventure stories on DAYS and I think WTF? Why would anyone want to see that? But then I think if it were reversed and we were looking at GH I would definitely want to see Anna and Robert in an adventure story, but the difference is that it isn't JUST about Anna and Robert. It does involve the younger characters. At least to a certain extent. I just really want to see something that DAYS will never give me. It's like a craving that will never get satisfied. I love all the secret agent stuff, but I don't want to see another John and Marlena story. I think it's time to move on and bring in some fresh blood. And that is what I think is really wrong with DAYS. They go to one extreme or another. It's either all vets all the time or get rid of them all. I still want them around, but I don't want them to drive story. Neither do I want them to bring on completely new characters that I have no connections to. They have plenty of legacy characters that they could use for this - JJ, Eric, Brady, Shawn - just to name a few. I think the 80s adventure stories were successful for a reason, but you can't replicate that with recycled vet stories. I think they need to take the legacy characters they have and create some adventure around those characters. It really isn't that hard. They are just too stupid to do it.
Seems to me that that's kind of the point of this story. It does involve more people. Hence the complaints, because heaven forbid it not just be about John and Marlena. I don't really see this as an adventure story though. Days hasn't really done one of those in a long time. And that's my point. There's a lot of people involved and that's awesome. If they were alone in this story there'd be tons of complaints they're not important to the canvas and no one is aware of or cares what's happening to them.
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Seems to me that that's kind of the point of this story. It does involve more people. Hence the complaints, because heaven forbid it not just be about John and Marlena. I don't really see this as an adventure story though. Days hasn't really done one of those in a long time.
And that's my point. There's a lot of people involved and that's awesome. If they were alone in this story there'd be tons of complaints they're not important to the canvas and no one is aware of or cares what's happening to them. This.
I'm not gonna nit-pick the details, I'm gonna just plain enjoy it for what it is - :popcorn: they're out of their bubble & on the front-burner.
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John was brainless all the while he was with Kristen. But unlike Brady at least he was noble.
Noble? I don't see it that way. John was a big fat LIAR most of the time he was with Kristen. He had feelings for Marlena and kept sleeping with Kristen and telling her he loved her. Dishonest, if you ask me. (And that's where I lost Kristen, I don't get why Kristen wanted him after all of this). At least Brady - whatever his personality - had real feelings for her. This is why, from Eileen's point of view, she liked her 2012-2013 story better than the stuff from the 90s. She finally had a good-looking man who loved HER character first instead of just being an interloper for a super couple. She got the chance to be the rejector (she rejected John's advances) instead of being the one rejected in favor of another woman. That must have felt good.
That being said, Kristen was pathetic as hell in the 90s, and I don't blame John for his actions. Why would you want to be with a man who was in love with someone else anyway? I never understood why she dumped Tandre for John. Like Brady, Tandre loved her completely and she wasn't second-best to another woman. But she was willing to roll the dice with John? Um, okay.
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Seems to me that that's kind of the point of this story. It does involve more people. Hence the complaints, because heaven forbid it not just be about John and Marlena. I don't really see this as an adventure story though. Days hasn't really done one of those in a long time.
And that's my point. There's a lot of people involved and that's awesome. If they were alone in this story there'd be tons of complaints they're not important to the canvas and no one is aware of or cares what's happening to them. Yet, the characters that should be involved - i.e. their "not retconned" children don't seem to be involved.
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Here's the thing about Paul. CS is a good actor. If they ever decide to actually use him, he could possibly keep J&M relevant and involved in the kind of stories that garner mainstream attention. John being his father affected nothing. It didn't change anything about their story or relationship. I don't want to see them become all about him (like Maggie with Daniel and Melanie) but if that hasn't happened yet, hopefully that makes it unlikely. As it is, he bring some diversity to the family (in multiple ways). He's the kid with least amount of information about how crazy their family can be, so him getting caught up in this makes sense to me. Plus I'm sick of Brady. I've never been one to want a secret extra child for either character, but if there was going to be one, I'm glad it's one that changes nothing and has the potential to be socially relevant.
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And that's my point. There's a lot of people involved and that's awesome. If they were alone in this story there'd be tons of complaints they're not important to the canvas and no one is aware of or cares what's happening to them.
Yet, the characters that should be involved - i.e. their "not retconned" children don't seem to be involved. One has a baboon heart and the other isn't exactly the type to go chase down bad guys. We'll probably see them worried about things though.
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Here's the thing about Paul. CS is a good actor. If they ever decide to actually use him, he could possibly keep J&M relevant and involved in the kind of stories that garner mainstream attention. John being his father affected nothing. It didn't change anything about their story or relationship. I don't want to see them become all about him (like Maggie with Daniel and Melanie) but if that hasn't happened yet, hopefully that makes it unlikely. As it is, he bring some diversity to the family (in multiple ways). He's the kid with least amount of information about how crazy their family can be, so him getting caught up in this makes sense to me. Plus I'm sick of Brady. I've never been one to want a secret extra child for either character, but if there was going to be one, I'm glad it's one that changes nothing and has the potential to be socially relevant. I don't like Paul being John's son, but I'll take that over Theresa being around, period. Unlike JL's acting with the retconned "heroine" Theresa, CS doesn't make me stabby.
I just cannot handle Theresa and Brady as a couple. Out of everything on the show, that makes me vomit the most. It's complete crap.
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Even w/o Paul, Brady probably wouldn't be there for his parents. He's isolated in Braniel/Summer crap.
I hate that Brady isn't involved in this story with John. It sometimes is hard to believe that Brady is John Blacks son. John would be so suspicious of Summer yet Brady is completely clueless.
John isn't without his clueless moments. I submit every storyline involving Kristen Dimera, both in the 90s and during the 2012-2013 arc. That's true Kristen did fool him for quite awhile.
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Noble? I don't see it that way. John was a big fat LIAR most of the time he was with Kristen. He had feelings for Marlena and kept sleeping with Kristen and telling her he loved her. Dishonest, if you ask me. (And that's where I lost Kristen, I don't get why Kristen wanted him after all of this). At least Brady - whatever his personality - had real feelings for her.
This is why, from Eileen's point of view, she liked her 2012-2013 story better than the stuff from the 90s. She finally had a good-looking man who loved HER character first instead of just being an interloper for a super couple. She got the chance to be the rejector (she rejected John's advances) instead of being the one rejected in favor of another woman. That must have felt good. That being said, Kristen was pathetic as hell in the 90s, and I don't blame John for his actions. Why would you want to be with a man who was in love with someone else anyway? I never understood why she dumped Tandre for John. Like Brady, Tandre loved her completely and she wasn't second-best to another woman. But she was willing to roll the dice with John? Um, okay. ITA. She probably got tired of playing a pathetic loser for years LOL. I watched these stories on YT. And I have to admit that it sometimes gets uncomfortable to watch Kristen's edited storylines. All those monologues one after another full of crying are depressing. This character is almost always melancholic, depressive or paranoid. And if they had to do several takes, it had to be exhausting.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep :blink: Maybe because he's John's son?
It should be Brady, which tells me the writers are clueless.
Exactly. And Belle and Eric should be involved too. LOL Eric is too busy tailing after Jennifer :rolleyes:
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All the time? We must be watching two different shows. Paul and John haven't had a scene together in I don't know how long? In fact, Paul has been on like twice since new years.
He was on recently. I didn't mind him at all because he was doing his own thing and not in John's orbit. Not that John has an orbit LOL He has more of an orbit than Paul does. Lol
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Yet, the characters that should be involved - i.e. their "not retconned" children don't seem to be involved.
One has a baboon heart and the other isn't exactly the type to go chase down bad guys. We'll probably see them worried about things though. HA! Exactly. Brady is worthless and has a bum heart. What the hell would Belle even do? If we see her worried about her family when this goes down then that's enough. How would she be involved otherwise? What would Eric even do? Cry the bad guys to death? I just think Paul is the best choice and CS being a good actor is a little bonus on top.
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John was brainless all the while he was with Kristen. But unlike Brady at least he was noble.
Noble? I don't see it that way. John was a big fat LIAR most of the time he was with Kristen. He had feelings for Marlena and kept sleeping with Kristen and telling her he loved her. Dishonest, if you ask me. (And that's where I lost Kristen, I don't get why Kristen wanted him after all of this). At least Brady - whatever his personality - had real feelings for her. Oh, I don't disagree with that. I don't think though that he purposely used Kristen. I think he believed he loved her. On some level. He had real feelings for her.
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He was on recently. I didn't mind him at all because he was doing his own thing and not in John's orbit. Not that John has an orbit LOL
He has more of an orbit than Paul does. Lol As he should.
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I hope we get another set of spoilers today. Waiting patiently. :) The first set doesn't look bad. I wish they would use Brian/Lucas more though. I feel like they just use him for filler material and it's sad.
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Here's the thing about Paul. CS is a good actor. If they ever decide to actually use him, he could possibly keep J&M relevant and involved in the kind of stories that garner mainstream attention. John being his father affected nothing. It didn't change anything about their story or relationship. I don't want to see them become all about him (like Maggie with Daniel and Melanie) but if that hasn't happened yet, hopefully that makes it unlikely. As it is, he bring some diversity to the family (in multiple ways). He's the kid with least amount of information about how crazy their family can be, so him getting caught up in this makes sense to me. Plus I'm sick of Brady. I've never been one to want a secret extra child for either character, but if there was going to be one, I'm glad it's one that changes nothing and has the potential to be socially relevant.
I don't like Paul being John's son, but I'll take that over Theresa being around, period. Unlike JL's acting with the retconned "heroine" Theresa, CS doesn't make me stabby. I just cannot handle Theresa and Brady as a couple. Out of everything on the show, that makes me vomit the most. It's complete crap. I actually agree with your statements. It's just that it's not an either-or situation. It looks like we are stuck with both "retcons"... :'(
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This is why, from Eileen's point of view, she liked her 2012-2013 story better than the stuff from the 90s. She finally had a good-looking man who loved HER character first instead of just being an interloper for a super couple. She got the chance to be the rejector (she rejected John's advances) instead of being the one rejected in favor of another woman. That must have felt good. That being said, Kristen was pathetic as hell in the 90s, and I don't blame John for his actions. Why would you want to be with a man who was in love with someone else anyway? I never understood why she dumped Tandre for John. Like Brady, Tandre loved her completely and she wasn't second-best to another woman. But she was willing to roll the dice with John? Um, okay.
ITA. She probably got tired of playing a pathetic loser for years LOL. I watched these stories on YT. And I have to admit that it sometimes gets uncomfortable to watch Kristen's edited storylines. All those monologues one after another full of crying are depressing. This character is almost always melancholic, depressive or paranoid. And if they had to do several takes, it had to be exhausting. It didn't sound at all like she had an issue with any of that. She barely remembered Kristen. She mostly remembered Susan. She thought Kristen was one note. She clearly remembered nothing of the character.
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