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Topic Started: Mar 4 2016, 08:14 PM (49,836 Views)
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Mar 6 2016, 01:18 PM
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I really never understood why they didn't try the spy route with Brady. His professional life has been a mess forever and it could be a cool story to see him try to do something they established his father (and most of his dad's friends) as being good at. Could even tie it into Shane being such a big shot in the ISA I mean they've made Shawn a cop at last but I feel like we never see him. This show has failed with the younger characters a lot which is usually why they resort to the vets when they come up with these save Days concepts.
I really hope we see more of Shawn and JJ as cops and they don't keep cutting Shawn's scenes. I'm interested in seeing that. I'd rather watch Shawn than Rafe.
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Mar 6 2016, 01:20 PM
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Here's the thing about Paul. CS is a good actor. If they ever decide to actually use him, he could possibly keep J&M relevant and involved in the kind of stories that garner mainstream attention. John being his father affected nothing. It didn't change anything about their story or relationship. I don't want to see them become all about him (like Maggie with Daniel and Melanie) but if that hasn't happened yet, hopefully that makes it unlikely. As it is, he bring some diversity to the family (in multiple ways). He's the kid with least amount of information about how crazy their family can be, so him getting caught up in this makes sense to me. Plus I'm sick of Brady. I've never been one to want a secret extra child for either character, but if there was going to be one, I'm glad it's one that changes nothing and has the potential to be socially relevant. Well said! :applause:
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Mar 6 2016, 01:24 PM
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ITA. She probably got tired of playing a pathetic loser for years LOL. I watched these stories on YT. And I have to admit that it sometimes gets uncomfortable to watch Kristen's edited storylines. All those monologues one after another full of crying are depressing. This character is almost always melancholic, depressive or paranoid. And if they had to do several takes, it had to be exhausting.
It didn't sound at all like she had an issue with any of that. She barely remembered Kristen. She mostly remembered Susan. She thought Kristen was one note. She clearly remembered nothing of the character. Yeah but remember her Twitter chat when someone asked how she liked her new storyline (this was fall of 2012) she said "Much better than last time!" So she must have remembered what a loser Kristen was written to be back then.
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Mar 6 2016, 01:25 PM
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And that's my point. There's a lot of people involved and that's awesome. If they were alone in this story there'd be tons of complaints they're not important to the canvas and no one is aware of or cares what's happening to them.
Yet, the characters that should be involved - i.e. their "not retconned" children don't seem to be involved. so far I don't mind that they don't seem involved in the search. I hope Belle is concerned about leaving Claire alone after four members of their family are kidnapped during this. I will be upset if they don't even find out but we don't know that yet so I'll wait and see.
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Mar 6 2016, 01:28 PM
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It didn't sound at all like she had an issue with any of that. She barely remembered Kristen. She mostly remembered Susan. She thought Kristen was one note. She clearly remembered nothing of the character.
Yeah but remember her Twitter chat when someone asked how she liked her new storyline (this was fall of 2012) she said "Much better than last time!" So she must have remembered what a loser Kristen was written to be back then. And then she went on in other interviews to describe what she remembered, and it was Susan Susan Susan and underdeveloped Kristen.
"much better than last time" doesn't even imply Kristen. That's quite the jump you made to assuming she remembers Kristen as a loser...especially when it's just as likely (more likely if you know about her other interviews) that she was thinking of Susan.
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Mar 6 2016, 01:29 PM
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Noble? I don't see it that way. John was a big fat LIAR most of the time he was with Kristen. He had feelings for Marlena and kept sleeping with Kristen and telling her he loved her. Dishonest, if you ask me. (And that's where I lost Kristen, I don't get why Kristen wanted him after all of this). At least Brady - whatever his personality - had real feelings for her.
Oh, I don't disagree with that. I don't think though that he purposely used Kristen. I think he believed he loved her. On some level. He had real feelings for her. Btw, he had a similar situation with Rebecca (before Kristen). Only Rebecca, unlike Kristen, was smart enough to leave him when she noticed that John cared more for Kristen than her.
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Mar 6 2016, 01:37 PM
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It does involve more people. Hence the complaints, because heaven forbid it not just be about John and Marlena. I don't really like when someone tries to sum up why other fans or even worse, fan bases, are complaining. Everyone should respect everyone else's opinions and right to have them, without trying to characterize those opinions to fit their own narratives.
As a J&M Fan, I love umbrella stories. I have craved them since they have been few and far between for over a decade now. Stories that's involve character interaction can be wonderful. But umbrella story or no umbrella story, interactions and relationships need to make sense, and the characters involved in those stores should not be lost in the shuffle or just used as props.
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Mar 6 2016, 01:41 PM
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It does involve more people. Hence the complaints, because heaven forbid it not just be about John and Marlena.
I don't really like when someone tries to sum up why other fans or even worse, fan bases, are complaining. Everyone should respect everyone else's opinions and right to have them, without trying to characterize those opinions to fit their own narratives. As a J&M Fan, I love umbrella stories. I have craved them since they have been few and far between for over a decade now. Stories that's involve character interaction can be wonderful. But umbrella story or no umbrella story, interactions and relationships need to make sense, and the characters involved in those stores should not be lost in the shuffle or just used as props. I don't think John or Marlena will be reduced to props in this story. Marlena is already spoiled as being part of the rescue team and they actually bothered to cast Jigsaw to be John's dad. I'd be stunned if the big final showdown isn't the two of them against the dad.
A few months ago people were concerned John got captured while trying to rescue Paul and actually it turns out he's trying to save Marlena as the most important person in his life. And I'm thrilled she's not sitting home crying and is actively working to find him herself.
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Mar 6 2016, 01:44 PM
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It does involve more people. Hence the complaints, because heaven forbid it not just be about John and Marlena.
I don't really like when someone tries to sum up why other fans or even worse, fan bases, are complaining. Everyone should respect everyone else's opinions and right to have them, without trying to characterize those opinions to fit their own narratives. As a J&M Fan, I love umbrella stories. I have craved them since they have been few and far between for over a decade now. Stories that's involve character interaction can be wonderful. But umbrella story or no umbrella story, interactions and relationships need to make sense, and the characters involved in those stores should not be lost in the shuffle or just used as props. It wasn't a summary.
I like J&M too but my goodness. Y'all make me not want to. This hasn't even aired. If it airs and those things get lost in the shuffle, I'll be complaining too. Loudly. But this is one spoiler of Paul being bewildered. There's no implication in any of this about whether or not relationships make sense at all or about if characters are being used as props.
It's a very large mistake to assume this has anything to do with a fanbase. Unless you've just never paid attention to what I like. ;)
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Mar 6 2016, 01:45 PM
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I don't think John or Marlena will be reduced to props in this story. Marlena is already spoiled as being part of the rescue team and they actually bothered to cast Jigsaw to be John's dad. I'd be stunned if the big final showdown isn't the two of them against the dad. And I hope you are right. We shall see.
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Mar 6 2016, 01:50 PM
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One has a baboon heart and the other isn't exactly the type to go chase down bad guys. We'll probably see them worried about things though.
HA! Exactly. Brady is worthless and has a bum heart. What the hell would Belle even do? If we see her worried about her family when this goes down then that's enough. How would she be involved otherwise? What would Eric even do? Cry the bad guys to death? I just think Paul is the best choice and CS being a good actor is a little bonus on top. Brady's baboon heart is strong as hell. Remember, this heart was pulling people out of the ocean. :blulaugh:
If GH's Lulu can do it, Belle can do it better. And I'm not sure what is it that Eric can't do but Paul can. And I agree that CS is likeable and a good actor. (I just wish he was Sonny's bisexual ex and not John's son).
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Mar 6 2016, 01:51 PM
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I really can't believe the amount of conversation about one spoiler line for Paul being bewildered. There's been like 7 spoilers about J&M and this kidnapping (and probably more coming) so far somehow all were talking about is Paul literally existing lol John hasn't spent any time with Paul recently and this is the first Paul spoiler in more than 3 months, I don't understand why it's a big issue. I get that some people will never accept Paul as John's son but it's not like a lot of story revolves around their relationship.
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Mar 6 2016, 01:53 PM
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HA! Exactly. Brady is worthless and has a bum heart. What the hell would Belle even do? If we see her worried about her family when this goes down then that's enough. How would she be involved otherwise? What would Eric even do? Cry the bad guys to death? I just think Paul is the best choice and CS being a good actor is a little bonus on top.
Brady's baboon heart is strong as hell. Remember, this heart was pulling people out of the ocean. :blulaugh: If GH's Lulu can do it, Belle can do it better. And I'm not sure what is it that Eric can't do but Paul can. And I agree that CS is likeable and a good actor. (I just wish he was Sonny's bisexual ex and not John's son). I don't know Lulu, but Belle is Belle, and I can't see Belle going into search and rescue mode. I also can't see her mother letting her. Brady pulled a woman out of the ocean, and then had more heart pain. Eric could probably do something, but he's not really the search and rescue type either. I'd like to see him more involved, though, but I wouldn't want him in Paul's place in the story. I'd actually prefer him be with Marlena during that stage of the story, and that could be where he is. If he's anywhere.
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I like J&M too but my goodness. Y'all make me not want to. This hasn't even aired. If it airs and those things get lost in the shuffle, I'll be complaining too. Loudly. But this is one spoiler of Paul being bewildered. There's no implication in any of this about whether or not relationships make sense at all or about if characters are being used as props. It's a very large mistake to assume this has anything to do with a fanbase. Unless you've just never paid attention to what I like. ;) Sorry I didn't know if you liked John & Marlena or not. I noticed John wasn't one of your 20 characters you wanted on the show. My apologies if "we all" make you not like them or him. :shrug:
And we are allowed to react to spoilers right? Also my only reaction to the spoiler was that it was unfortunate to me that Paul would be there. That's because I don't like the guy. All of my other reservations on how this might play out are based on the handling of 99% of stories that have already aired where characters were, in fact, used as props.. And frankly, even if I rave about or complain about something that has already aired, I'm told I should have viewed it differently. So what difference does it really make LOL
Regarding your last point, then why did u inject "heaven forbid it not just be about John & Marlena" ? I'm seriously just curious about this lol
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Mar 6 2016, 01:59 PM
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Brady's baboon heart is strong as hell. Remember, this heart was pulling people out of the ocean. :blulaugh: If GH's Lulu can do it, Belle can do it better. And I'm not sure what is it that Eric can't do but Paul can. And I agree that CS is likeable and a good actor. (I just wish he was Sonny's bisexual ex and not John's son).
I don't know Lulu, but Belle is Belle, and I can't see Belle going into search and rescue mode. I also can't see her mother letting her. Brady pulled a woman out of the ocean, and then had more heart pain. Eric could probably do something, but he's not really the search and rescue type either. I'd like to see him more involved, though, but I wouldn't want him in Paul's place in the story. I'd actually prefer him be with Marlena during that stage of the story, and that could be where he is. If he's anywhere. I mentioned it above but Belle and Brady should both be concerned about their kids safety and staying close by after Marlena, Ari, John and Paul were all held prisoner.
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Mar 6 2016, 02:07 PM
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I mentioned it above but Belle and Brady should both be concerned about their kids safety and staying close by after Marlena, Ari, John and Paul were all held prisoner. I agree with this
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Mar 6 2016, 02:08 PM
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I like J&M too but my goodness. Y'all make me not want to. This hasn't even aired. If it airs and those things get lost in the shuffle, I'll be complaining too. Loudly. But this is one spoiler of Paul being bewildered. There's no implication in any of this about whether or not relationships make sense at all or about if characters are being used as props. It's a very large mistake to assume this has anything to do with a fanbase. Unless you've just never paid attention to what I like. ;)
Sorry I didn't know if you liked John & Marlena or not. I noticed John wasn't one of your 20 characters you wanted on the show. My apologies if "we all" made you not like them or him. :shrug: And we are allowed to react to spoilers right? Also my only reaction to the spoiler was that it was unfortunate to me that Paul would be there. That's because I don't like the guy. All of my other reservations on how this might play out are based on the handling of 99% of stories that have already aired where characters were, in fact, used as props.. And frankly, even if I rave about or complain about something that has already aired, I'm told I should have viewed it differently. So what difference does it really make LOL Regarding your last point, then why did u inject "heaven forbid it not just be about John & Marlena" ? I'm seriously just curious about this lol LOL. He was supposed to be 4th. I guess I cut and pasted poorly. I wondered why I had 19 right before I posted. Oh well. He didn't need my help anyway. But seriously. I post all day every day, and you went by that one list to decide what you think I like and don't like. I'm not unclear on this subject.
If you ever reacted to anything else, it would probably not seem like a thing. ;)
And I did it because I wanted to. As always, you're not the only person involved in the conversation. And even so, you don't represent an entire fanbase. I know you for whatever reason think this board is unkind or whatever to J&M fans...but look around. Many of the people disagreeing with your points ARE J&M fans. It's not about a ship or a fanbase.
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I like J&M too but my goodness. Y'all make me not want to. This hasn't even aired. If it airs and those things get lost in the shuffle, I'll be complaining too. Loudly. But this is one spoiler of Paul being bewildered. There's no implication in any of this about whether or not relationships make sense at all or about if characters are being used as props. It's a very large mistake to assume this has anything to do with a fanbase. Unless you've just never paid attention to what I like. ;)
Sorry I didn't know if you liked John & Marlena or not. I noticed John wasn't one of your 20 characters you wanted on the show. My apologies if "we all" made you not like them or him. :shrug: And we are allowed to react to spoilers right? Also my only reaction to the spoiler was that it was unfortunate to me that Paul would be there. That's because I don't like the guy. All of my other reservations on how this might play out are based on the handling of 99% of stories that have already aired where characters were, in fact, used as props.. And frankly, even if I rave about or complain about something that has already aired, I'm told I should have viewed it differently. So what difference does it really make LOL Regarding your last point, then why did u inject "heaven forbid it not just be about John & Marlena" ? I'm seriously just curious about this lol
LOL. He was supposed to be 4th. I guess I cut and pasted poorly. I wondered why I had 19 right before I posted. Oh well. He didn't need my help anyway. But seriously. I post all day every day, and you went by that one list to decide what you think I like and don't like. I'm not unclear on this subject. If you ever reacted to anything else, it would probably not seem like a thing. ;)And I did it because I wanted to. As always, you're not the only person involved in the conversation. And even so, you don't represent an entire fanbase. I know you for whatever reason think this board is unkind or whatever to J&M fans...but look around. Many of the people disagreeing with your points ARE J&M fans. It's not about a ship or a fanbase. This board is unkind to John and Marlena? Wut? :wtf:
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Mar 6 2016, 02:13 PM
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LOL. He was supposed to be 4th. I guess I cut and pasted poorly. I wondered why I had 19 right before I posted. Oh well. He didn't need my help anyway. But seriously. I post all day every day, and you went by that one list to decide what you think I like and don't like. I'm not unclear on this subject. If you ever reacted to anything else, it would probably not seem like a thing. ;)And I did it because I wanted to. As always, you're not the only person involved in the conversation. And even so, you don't represent an entire fanbase. I know you for whatever reason think this board is unkind or whatever to J&M fans...but look around. Many of the people disagreeing with your points ARE J&M fans. It's not about a ship or a fanbase.
This board is unkind to John and Marlena? Wut? :wtf: That's what we were told during the couples list from the summer, lol.
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The past 7 years have been really bad for Jarlena fans. Deidre and Drake were fired and off the show for 2 and half years. Then they returned and got 1 year of decent writing with MarDar, then 3 years of terrible writing with TomSell. So it's understandable there's a lot of frustration and a tendancy to always assume the worst will happen when it comes to Jarlena.
But... I feel like this is a good time for the couple and if you can't enjoy it because you always expect the worst or focus on little details that you don't like, I don't know how you will ever be satisfied.
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