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Rafe was applying pressure to Eduardo's wound the entire time so he didn't bleed out. I'd think the other cops present would know how to secure a scene and see to drugged out John. I can't blame Rafe for losing John at all. Actually if he hadn't shown up both men would now be tied up in that creepy room having who knows what tortures inflicted on them. John handling the situation was to do the heroic thing and trade himself. Rafe was trying his best to save both men and the hostages.
We don't actually know what John and Eduardo's plan was. What we know is that the shoot out was caused by the Salem PD showing up, and the shoot out is what led to Eduardo getting shot and John being taken.
Did they have a plan? Seems to me they were winging it. The only conversation we heard between them was trading themselves in order to have the hostages free making themselves hostages in need of rescue. Both would have been taken. Maybe Eduardo wouldn't have been shot, but I have a feeling he's going to end up preferring that ;) I don't see why Marlena would have an issue with Rafe.
I think a shoot out is a better way to go then being a guinea pig subjected to torture. It sure was a hellava lot more fun to watch!!!
Although I guess it turns out Stefano was lying - someone else taught John everything he knows.....
I think they're leaving the story of John getting delivered to Salem from Petrov on Stefano's orders intact though. This is playing with the time frame before Stefano got john so the fact that his dad sold him to Stefano and then Stefano wiped his memories is interesting to me.
If he hadn't done that and wiped his memories, John would have ended up living a life like Eduardo's instead of being happy with Marlena and the kids
I hate that this wedding is happening in the dimera mansion - it just looks wrong having Julie, Jen and Adrienne prancing around there.
I don't like that it was in the mansion either, or that they're even living there. I don't buy that Chad would want to live there.
If it was going to be at the Dimera estate, then I would've preferred the Dimera garden. I know Sami and EJ were married out there not too long ago and that might've stirred up some stuff but eh. I just think the outside lighting would have given it a brighter and happier atmosphere for a wedding then inside that dark and dreary living room.
Although I think they purposely made it look doom and gloom, because I remember it being a lot brighter in that room when they were planning on having Bristen wedding 1.0 there.
We don't actually know what John and Eduardo's plan was. What we know is that the shoot out was caused by the Salem PD showing up, and the shoot out is what led to Eduardo getting shot and John being taken.
Did they have a plan? Seems to me they were winging it. The only conversation we heard between them was trading themselves in order to have the hostages free making themselves hostages in need of rescue. Both would have been taken. Maybe Eduardo wouldn't have been shot, but I have a feeling he's going to end up preferring that ;) I don't see why Marlena would have an issue with Rafe.
I think a shoot out is a better way to go then being a guinea pig subjected to torture. It sure was a hellava lot more fun to watch!!!
We don't know. But what we do know is that they had an idea of what was going on and Rafe didn't.
Did they have a plan? Seems to me they were winging it. The only conversation we heard between them was trading themselves in order to have the hostages free making themselves hostages in need of rescue. Both would have been taken. Maybe Eduardo wouldn't have been shot, but I have a feeling he's going to end up preferring that ;) I don't see why Marlena would have an issue with Rafe.
I think a shoot out is a better way to go then being a guinea pig subjected to torture. It sure was a hellava lot more fun to watch!!!
We don't know. But what we do know is that they had an idea of what was going on and Rafe didn't.
And they told Rafe nine times to stay out of it and that the Salem PD wasn't prepared for this
I had a longer post about the wedding (so far), but my computer ate it. There definitely should have been more people there (Steve, Kayla, Joey, Hope, etc), but I'm still enjoying it. The scenes between Chad and Abby made the episode so good for me. I loved Chad knowing that the mention of Ben upset Abby and that he went to comfort and reassure her. Loved the birth certificate scene, especially Chad saying "you are the best of both of us." Just seeing how much they love each other makes me smile. :wub:
Loved the something old, new, borrowed, and blue scenes between Abby, Julie, Adrienne, and Jennifer. I particularly liked the locket of baby Jack that Adrienne gave Abby so that her father is close to her heart on this day. After really no pre-wedding build-up, these scenes were such a treat and will be very memorable to me.
Chad looking at Abby was she walked down the aisle was my everything! He just loves her so much.
Some other things...Instead of wasting that scene of Jennifer on the phone with Maggie, I wish it had been Bill or Laura sending their well wishes to Abby and their regrets for not being there. An phone call or text from Sonny to Chad or Abby would have been nice too since they are building up his return.
I have to mention the absence of Steve and Kayla again. I mean they don't even think to include the bride's uncle? Really? I thought both of them could have shared some good dialogue and scenes with Chad and Abby. I'm still bothered they totally dropped the Kayla/Abby relationship. MBE and KM worked so well together. Kayla has really had sort of front row seat to the Chabby relationship going back to Abby's pregnancy this past summer and back in 2013 with Chad's brain tumor lie. I think she knows more about the details of their relationship than Jennifer does. So thumbs down to Days for not including Steve and Kayla.
Adrienne looked gorgeous! Justin should be jealous.
We don't know. But what we do know is that they had an idea of what was going on and Rafe didn't.
And they told Rafe nine times to stay out of it and that the Salem PD wasn't prepared for this
And Rafe told them he would give them an hour. And he also didn't come in until Marlena and Ari were out of the building. Plus, unless I misunderstood, they shot all the bad guys. I know John disappeared, but it appeared he was right there with them before that.
I don't know, I guess I don't get the criticism. They were turning themselves over to these people and sure didn't seem to have any options prior to the SPD showing up. One of them even said it looked like someone had their backs.
And they told Rafe nine times to stay out of it and that the Salem PD wasn't prepared for this
And Rafe told them he would give them an hour. And he also didn't come in until Marlena and Ari were out of the building. Plus, unless I misunderstood, they shot all the bad guys. I know John disappeared, but it appeared he was right there with them before that.
I don't know, I guess I don't get the criticism. They were turning themselves over to these people and sure didn't seem to have any options prior to the SPD showing up. One of them even said it looked like someone had their backs.
Like Lysie said, we really don't know if they had a plan. Maybe it'll come out in conversations afterwards.
I think Lani, John and Rafe each got a bad guy.
I think it's easier for us to say Rafe did the right thing because we know Eduardo and John don't die. But as far as it seems in Salem, Eduardo could be bleeding out and John is just totally gone. And that's why I think Marlena will be so upset. She left with the mindset that John had it under control, he even told her that. And then Rafe came and it all went to hell.
And they told Rafe nine times to stay out of it and that the Salem PD wasn't prepared for this
And Rafe told them he would give them an hour. And he also didn't come in until Marlena and Ari were out of the building. Plus, unless I misunderstood, they shot all the bad guys. I know John disappeared, but it appeared he was right there with them before that.
I don't know, I guess I don't get the criticism. They were turning themselves over to these people and sure didn't seem to have any options prior to the SPD showing up. One of them even said it looked like someone had their backs.
Had it been an hour? They'd only just gotten there. They must not have gotten them all, because there were people left to take John. Maybe that's why they were willing to stop shooting?
And Rafe told them he would give them an hour. And he also didn't come in until Marlena and Ari were out of the building. Plus, unless I misunderstood, they shot all the bad guys. I know John disappeared, but it appeared he was right there with them before that.
I don't know, I guess I don't get the criticism. They were turning themselves over to these people and sure didn't seem to have any options prior to the SPD showing up. One of them even said it looked like someone had their backs.
Had it been an hour? They'd only just gotten there. They must not have gotten them all, because there were people left to take John. Maybe that's why they were willing to stop shooting?
Who knows in Salem time?
I guess, for me, I don't have enought information to know/believe that Rafe made the wrong choice. From everything I saw, John and Eduardo were going to be taken. If Eddie wakes up and lambasts Rafe because he and John had some foolproof plan, then I'll feel differently. Until then, the way it played out to me was that Rafe actually gave them a fighting chance. The fact that it didn't work doesn't automatically mean Rafe made the wrong decision.
Had it been an hour? They'd only just gotten there. They must not have gotten them all, because there were people left to take John. Maybe that's why they were willing to stop shooting?
Who knows in Salem time?
I guess, for me, I don't have enought information to know/believe that Rafe made the wrong choice. From everything I saw, John and Eduardo were going to be taken. If Eddie wakes up and lambasts Rafe because he and John had some foolproof plan, then I'll feel differently. Until then, the way it played out to me was that Rafe actually gave them a fighting chance. The fact that it didn't work doesn't automatically mean Rafe made the wrong decision.
To me it seemed like things were fine until they got there. No one was bleeding. We don't know what was going to happen next so I guess it could go either way. It just seems like their timing was really bad and that things went south once they got there.
Had it been an hour? They'd only just gotten there. They must not have gotten them all, because there were people left to take John. Maybe that's why they were willing to stop shooting?
Who knows in Salem time?
I guess, for me, I don't have enought information to know/believe that Rafe made the wrong choice. From everything I saw, John and Eduardo were going to be taken. If Eddie wakes up and lambasts Rafe because he and John had some foolproof plan, then I'll feel differently. Until then, the way it played out to me was that Rafe actually gave them a fighting chance. The fact that it didn't work doesn't automatically mean Rafe made the wrong decision.
I actually don't expect Eduardo to be mad at Rafe. I do think Marlena will be, whether she's right or not, once she hears what happened. And it may just be the fear talking.
I guess, for me, I don't have enought information to know/believe that Rafe made the wrong choice. From everything I saw, John and Eduardo were going to be taken. If Eddie wakes up and lambasts Rafe because he and John had some foolproof plan, then I'll feel differently. Until then, the way it played out to me was that Rafe actually gave them a fighting chance. The fact that it didn't work doesn't automatically mean Rafe made the wrong decision.
I actually don't expect Eduardo to be mad at Rafe. I do think Marlena will be, whether she's right or not, once she hears what happens. And it may just be the fear talking.
Agreed. My criticism of him is mostly because I think they just made him look kind of silly through out.
I guess, for me, I don't have enought information to know/believe that Rafe made the wrong choice. From everything I saw, John and Eduardo were going to be taken. If Eddie wakes up and lambasts Rafe because he and John had some foolproof plan, then I'll feel differently. Until then, the way it played out to me was that Rafe actually gave them a fighting chance. The fact that it didn't work doesn't automatically mean Rafe made the wrong decision.
To me it seemed like things were fine until they got there. No one was bleeding. We don't know what was going to happen next so I guess it could go either way. It just seems like their timing was really bad and that things went south once they got there.
Right, no one was bleeding. But John and Eduardo had drunk whatever was in the thermos, we're surrounded by sharpshooters, and were completely exposed. Rafe showing up had the element of surprise and gave the guys an opportunity to fight back.
I just saw nothing that told me that John and Eduardo had some big plan. I saw two guys who were totally vulnerable and defenseless. For me this doesn't have anything to do with Rafe. I'm not defending the character because it's Rafe. It's just that I didn't see anything that made me think there was a better option.
To me it seemed like things were fine until they got there. No one was bleeding. We don't know what was going to happen next so I guess it could go either way. It just seems like their timing was really bad and that things went south once they got there.
Right, no one was bleeding. But John and Eduardo had drunk whatever was in the thermos, we're surrounded by sharpshooters, and were completely exposed. Rafe showing up had the element of surprise and gave the guys an opportunity to fight back.
I just saw nothing that told me that John and Eduardo had some big plan. I saw two guys who were totally vulnerable and defenseless. For me this doesn't have anything to do with Rafe. I'm not defending the character because it's Rafe. It's just that I didn't see anything that made me think there was a better option.
To me, the problem is more that what the Salem PD did may have stopped something current, but if they didn't get Eduardo, it's not over. So now they just come back and take Ari or some other Hernandez and start all over again.
Did they have a plan? Seems to me they were winging it. The only conversation we heard between them was trading themselves in order to have the hostages free making themselves hostages in need of rescue. Both would have been taken. Maybe Eduardo wouldn't have been shot, but I have a feeling he's going to end up preferring that ;) I don't see why Marlena would have an issue with Rafe.
I think a shoot out is a better way to go then being a guinea pig subjected to torture. It sure was a hellava lot more fun to watch!!!
We don't know. But what we do know is that they had an idea of what was going on and Rafe didn't.
It looks like the only difference Rafe and the Keystone Cops made was more dead bodies. Otherwise, no difference.
Right, no one was bleeding. But John and Eduardo had drunk whatever was in the thermos, we're surrounded by sharpshooters, and were completely exposed. Rafe showing up had the element of surprise and gave the guys an opportunity to fight back.
I just saw nothing that told me that John and Eduardo had some big plan. I saw two guys who were totally vulnerable and defenseless. For me this doesn't have anything to do with Rafe. I'm not defending the character because it's Rafe. It's just that I didn't see anything that made me think there was a better option.
To me, the problem is more that what the Salem PD did may have stopped something current, but if they didn't get Eduardo, it's not over. So now they just come back and take Ari or some other Hernandez and start all over again.
Regardless of "Rafe to the Rescue" they still got John which is what they wanted but now Eduardo`s been shot and looks like he`s bleeding to death.
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