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Monday, March 14th Episode Discussion
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Mar 14 2016, 03:18 PM
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Okay. The first second of this episode is pretty much everything that's wrong with this regime. We're picking up on a story from last week that got dropped at an awkward time on Wednesday. Two other stories had cliffhangers on Friday. One will pick up, but not both. No. That's not how this works. IDK whose issue this is, but whether it's the head writer's or the breakdown writer's, it needs to be fixed. Their killing their own momentum.
They need to at least leave the story in a place where they can leave it for a few days and then pick it up. I mean, I don't think leaving the Steve/Kayla stuff in the position they did was THAT bad. They found the shrine and reacted to it. The bigger issue IMO is why aren't they at a family wedding? Why couldn't we use that wedding as a way to pick up with what is happening with them? Then, you have Joey run out because he recalls killing Ava and feels awful and can't be around people. Steve and Kayla leave as well and give their apologies for missing the wedding. That gets those 3 out of there before the wedding and then you can still play the same stuff today that you did and set everything else up. Or at least bring up why they aren't at the wedding. Steve had a big meeting with Belle. Kayla wanted to be there for that. Joey was a mess. Whatever. Just mention it. Not very hard. The writers get the most blame but I feel the actors, especially in the current collaborative environment, should point this out too. The only reason IMO that I can tolerate the wedding stuff being delayed is because they needed the time to focus on the John story. I can deal with that. However, one could argue (and many will and they would be right) that they should've better planned all this out to avoid these issues. I agree. I get why they paused it. What I don't get it is why they planned them to air simultaneously in the first place. There shouldn't have had to have been a choice.
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Mar 14 2016, 03:22 PM
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I like the uneasy tension between S&K.
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Mar 14 2016, 03:22 PM
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- Mar 14 2016, 02:32 PM
Ok, let me get this straight... Yo Ling thinks his organization is some grand altruistic venture to save humanity without wanting to make a penny or something but he sold John to Stefano who used him to steal artwork and other goodies human kind covets for it's monetary value? OK then. :drunk: No, Petrov took John from Winterthorne and sold/gave him to Stefano. Timmy Yo had other sinister plans for him. Either way, John was screwed and would have no life. But then he met Marlena, and he got to have a life and a family, and love.
I just love that Timmy Yo is twisted as hell.
I give both Tobin and Drake major kudos for today's scenes. That second one, and the one where John said his dad stayed in the background while they "brainwashed him", and Timmy Yo followed up with "Educated you."... both gave me chills. Bell was a brilliant choice, the scene execution is fresh and beautiful, and the dialogue was smart. The best villains have a strange sense of higher purpose. I LOVE that his dad is a whack job, because it would genuinely suck if this superhero, this legendary mystery man had a nice lil' grandpa and grammy for parents. Instead, his mother poisoned him and his father considers his daughter-in-law and a child "collateral damage". All the good John has ever had, truly came from Marlena. And I'm sorry, but the fangirl in me freaking loves that. It all comes back to her being his saving grace. The core of John, is Marlena's love.
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Mar 14 2016, 03:25 PM
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I wonder if Steve doesn't tell Kayla he's leaving Friday. She doesn't seem happy since he's on bail an wants to go find John and that Monday spoiler could be him calling to telling her. The old don't ask for permission, ask for forgiveness.
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Mar 14 2016, 03:26 PM
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Ok, let me get this straight... Yo Ling thinks his organization is some grand altruistic venture to save humanity without wanting to make a penny or something but he sold John to Stefano who used him to steal artwork and other goodies human kind covets for it's monetary value? OK then. :drunk:
No, Petrov took John from Winterthorne and sold/gave him to Stefano. Timmy Yo had other sinister plans for him. Either way, John was screwed and would have no life. But then he met Marlena, and he got to have a life and a family, and love. I just love that Timmy Yo is twisted as hell. I give both Tobin and Drake major kudos for today's scenes. That second one, and the one where John said his dad stayed in the background while they "brainwashed him", and Timmy Yo followed up with "Educated you."... both gave me chills. Bell was a brilliant choice, the scene execution is fresh and beautiful, and the dialogue was smart. The best villains have a strange sense of higher purpose. I LOVE that his dad is a whack job, because it would genuinely suck if this superhero, this legendary mystery man had a nice lil' grandpa and grammy for parents. Instead, his mother poisoned him and his father considers his daughter-in-law and a child "collateral damage". All the good John has ever had, truly came from Marlena. And I'm sorry, but the fangirl in me freaking loves that. It all comes back to her being his saving grace. The core of John, is Marlena's love. LOL yep. That's where this will end up. He'll go home to her and that's the reason he even had any sort of wonderful life. And when you put that up against the conversation they had a month or so ago where she tried to reassure him his dad was a good man, they should have a heavy conversation and realization about this
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Mar 14 2016, 03:28 PM
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John is like dude...I'm in my sixties. I'm not into bedtime stories anymore.
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Mar 14 2016, 03:29 PM
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Yeah, I forgot to add, that I love how this ties back to how Marlena brought everything good into his life. That is very fitting, And the irony of all this is it was all because of Stefano, their greatest foe. Petrov gave him to Stefano and if that never happens, John never ends up with Marlena. I just think this really works on so many levels.
I feel bad for Griffith because I think he wanted to do far more with all this. I think if Dena had not had her 3 months reign of terror we would've seen far more buildup to all this with John, Marlena, Eduardo, etc. I mean, they tied this in with Bo's death and there was so much speculation back in the Fall of all these stories tying together and here we are. I just think it's so cool how they connected all this and how John's backstory fits. And they opened up some really good story potential, which was needed with Stefano gone. Even if Yo Ling is a goner at the end of this, you have his whole organization, this Alliance, out there looming. Days needs new villains and needs new threats and they now have one that I think can be invested in.
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Mar 14 2016, 03:29 PM
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John's initial physical reaction to hearing Jigsaw mention Bo was really good.
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Mar 14 2016, 03:31 PM
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- Mar 14 2016, 02:43 PM
Will admit that Kayla's rant against my Justin was good lol. In some ways it was justified. But still... The whole situation needs to end ASAP! Hmmm...I'm hoping Steve and Justin have it out at some point. I enjoy their animosity, which is tempered by the way they both care about Adrienne.
Complex relationships are interesting on a soap. Besides, Justin's just doing his job. He doesn't know the whole truth...that an impaired Joey killed Ava, and Steve's trying to protect his son.
Justin's gotta do his job. I prefer he go by the book rather than letting Steve off the way he let Hope off. I think Hope should face consequences for what she did. Not just because she killed Stefano. I actually understood that she was driven to that by his years of causing everyone pain and heartache. She'd just had enough. But the framing? I don't love that at all, and I wish Hope would step up and take responsibility, get a good lawyer, and take her chances with the legal system.
I don't blame Justin at all. I do understand why Steve and Kayla would be upset with him, and maybe it'll lead to some good stuff with Adrienne and Justin, too.
It's conflict, and conflict creates stories.
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Mar 14 2016, 03:31 PM
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- Mar 14 2016, 03:16 PM
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- Mar 14 2016, 03:04 PM
Okay. The first second of this episode is pretty much everything that's wrong with this regime. We're picking up on a story from last week that got dropped at an awkward time on Wednesday. Two other stories had cliffhangers on Friday. One will pick up, but not both. No. That's not how this works. IDK whose issue this is, but whether it's the head writer's or the breakdown writer's, it needs to be fixed. Their killing their own momentum.
They need to at least leave the story in a place where they can leave it for a few days and then pick it up. I mean, I don't think leaving the Steve/Kayla stuff in the position they did was THAT bad. They found the shrine and reacted to it. The bigger issue IMO is why aren't they at a family wedding? Why couldn't we use that wedding as a way to pick up with what is happening with them? Then, you have Joey run out because he recalls killing Ava and feels awful and can't be around people. Steve and Kayla leave as well and give their apologies for missing the wedding. That gets those 3 out of there before the wedding and then you can still play the same stuff today that you did and set everything else up. Or at least bring up why they aren't at the wedding. Steve had a big meeting with Belle. Kayla wanted to be there for that. Joey was a mess. Whatever. Just mention it. Not very hard. The writers get the most blame but I feel the actors, especially in the current collaborative environment, should point this out too. The only reason IMO that I can tolerate the wedding stuff being delayed is because they needed the time to focus on the John story. I can deal with that. However, one could argue (and many will and they would be right) that they should've better planned all this out to avoid these issues. For me, this is almost like a time management issue. When I watch GH, I'm astonished how much interaction (and dialogue that accomplishes stuff) fits into the same 36 minutes as DAYS. Somehow DAYS can't shoehorn these kinds of beats into its episodes.
A lot of their cuts end up messing with the episode structures.
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Mar 14 2016, 03:34 PM
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Belle is playing better today than from what I read. She clearly knows her argument is weak.
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Mar 14 2016, 03:35 PM
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- Mar 14 2016, 03:22 PM
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- Mar 14 2016, 02:32 PM
Ok, let me get this straight... Yo Ling thinks his organization is some grand altruistic venture to save humanity without wanting to make a penny or something but he sold John to Stefano who used him to steal artwork and other goodies human kind covets for it's monetary value? OK then. :drunk:
No, Petrov took John from Winterthorne and sold/gave him to Stefano. Timmy Yo had other sinister plans for him. Either way, John was screwed and would have no life. But then he met Marlena, and he got to have a life and a family, and love. I just love that Timmy Yo is twisted as hell. I give both Tobin and Drake major kudos for today's scenes. That second one, and the one where John said his dad stayed in the background while they "brainwashed him", and Timmy Yo followed up with "Educated you."... both gave me chills. Bell was a brilliant choice, the scene execution is fresh and beautiful, and the dialogue was smart. The best villains have a strange sense of higher purpose. I LOVE that his dad is a whack job, because it would genuinely suck if this superhero, this legendary mystery man had a nice lil' grandpa and grammy for parents. Instead, his mother poisoned him and his father considers his daughter-in-law and a child "collateral damage". All the good John has ever had, truly came from Marlena. And I'm sorry, but the fangirl in me freaking loves that. It all comes back to her being his saving grace. The core of John, is Marlena's love. That got me Posted Image
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Mar 14 2016, 03:35 PM
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The thing with Justin is that the writing for him isn't terrible. It's just missing the fact that he's related to people and has known people. And TBH...some of that could be fixed in performance and direction. I'm not even sure who to blame.
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Mar 14 2016, 03:36 PM
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Jigsaw/John are having their own little Ciara/Chase column moment.
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Mar 14 2016, 03:38 PM
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LMAO.
"But Yo Ling became a man." "Who talks about himself in the 3rd person."
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Mar 14 2016, 03:45 PM
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- Mar 14 2016, 03:31 PM
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- Mar 14 2016, 03:16 PM
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- Mar 14 2016, 03:04 PM
Okay. The first second of this episode is pretty much everything that's wrong with this regime. We're picking up on a story from last week that got dropped at an awkward time on Wednesday. Two other stories had cliffhangers on Friday. One will pick up, but not both. No. That's not how this works. IDK whose issue this is, but whether it's the head writer's or the breakdown writer's, it needs to be fixed. Their killing their own momentum.
They need to at least leave the story in a place where they can leave it for a few days and then pick it up. I mean, I don't think leaving the Steve/Kayla stuff in the position they did was THAT bad. They found the shrine and reacted to it. The bigger issue IMO is why aren't they at a family wedding? Why couldn't we use that wedding as a way to pick up with what is happening with them? Then, you have Joey run out because he recalls killing Ava and feels awful and can't be around people. Steve and Kayla leave as well and give their apologies for missing the wedding. That gets those 3 out of there before the wedding and then you can still play the same stuff today that you did and set everything else up. Or at least bring up why they aren't at the wedding. Steve had a big meeting with Belle. Kayla wanted to be there for that. Joey was a mess. Whatever. Just mention it. Not very hard. The writers get the most blame but I feel the actors, especially in the current collaborative environment, should point this out too. The only reason IMO that I can tolerate the wedding stuff being delayed is because they needed the time to focus on the John story. I can deal with that. However, one could argue (and many will and they would be right) that they should've better planned all this out to avoid these issues.
For me, this is almost like a time management issue. I watch GH and I'm astonished how much interaction (and dialogue that accomplishes stuff) fits into the same 36 minutes as DAYS. Somehow DAYS can't shoehorn these kinds of beats into its episodes. The sad part is they did a better job of it under previous regimes, including Tomsell. Sure, they still forget from time to time but not nearly as bad as this. I think the difference now is the show was clearly told to move fast. I've said this before but while I hate it I get it. I get why they have to do this. It's happening across TV in general. You have to tell story fast nowadays because you risk losing people's interest. The issue is that flies in the face of the kind of pace so many soap fans are used to and because you only get 36 minutes an episode and you want to move story that doesn't leave alot of time. However, that doesn't mean they can't take a few seconds just to have Kayla mention the wedding and explain why they weren't there. Time isn't THAT big an issue. The scriptwriters can toss something in there.
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Mar 14 2016, 03:46 PM
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Eduardo has also forgotten how to pronounce Arianna. Must have something to do with the story.
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Mar 14 2016, 03:47 PM
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I appreciate Deidre giving facial expressions like that for when I need avatar updates.
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Mar 14 2016, 03:48 PM
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- Mar 14 2016, 03:04 PM
Okay. The first second of this episode is pretty much everything that's wrong with this regime. We're picking up on a story from last week that got dropped at an awkward time on Wednesday. Two other stories had cliffhangers on Friday. One will pick up, but not both. No. That's not how this works. IDK whose issue this is, but whether it's the head writer's or the breakdown writer's, it needs to be fixed. Their killing their own momentum.
They need to at least leave the story in a place where they can leave it for a few days and then pick it up. I mean, I don't think leaving the Steve/Kayla stuff in the position they did was THAT bad. They found the shrine and reacted to it. The bigger issue IMO is why aren't they at a family wedding? Why couldn't we use that wedding as a way to pick up with what is happening with them? Then, you have Joey run out because he recalls killing Ava and feels awful and can't be around people. Steve and Kayla leave as well and give their apologies for missing the wedding. That gets those 3 out of there before the wedding and then you can still play the same stuff today that you did and set everything else up. Or at least bring up why they aren't at the wedding. Steve had a big meeting with Belle. Kayla wanted to be there for that. Joey was a mess. Whatever. Just mention it. Not very hard. The writers get the most blame but I feel the actors, especially in the current collaborative environment, should point this out too. The only reason IMO that I can tolerate the wedding stuff being delayed is because they needed the time to focus on the John story. I can deal with that. However, one could argue (and many will and they would be right) that they should've better planned all this out to avoid these issues. I'm not sure how the actors are responsible. If they aren't in the episode with the wedding, they might not even know it's being filmed. Or at least that it's going to air the same Salem day that they are sitting in the Pub and therefore it should be mentioned. For all they know, it's mentioned somewhere else.
I think it's absolutely ridiculous that Steve and Kayla weren't at the wedding. And it absolutely should have been mentioned. But the actors don't get scripts for episodes they aren't in. And they don't put the shows together. That's on the writers.
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Mar 14 2016, 03:52 PM
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Joey turned British there for a minute.
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