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Monday, March 14th Episode Discussion
Topic Started: Mar 13 2016, 04:25 PM (13,317 Views)
lysie


LMAO @ Kayla wanting Justin to schedule surgery for the stick up his butt.
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Mar 14 2016, 03:48 PM
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Mar 14 2016, 03:16 PM
lysie
Mar 14 2016, 03:04 PM
Okay. The first second of this episode is pretty much everything that's wrong with this regime. We're picking up on a story from last week that got dropped at an awkward time on Wednesday. Two other stories had cliffhangers on Friday. One will pick up, but not both. No. That's not how this works. IDK whose issue this is, but whether it's the head writer's or the breakdown writer's, it needs to be fixed. Their killing their own momentum.
They need to at least leave the story in a place where they can leave it for a few days and then pick it up. I mean, I don't think leaving the Steve/Kayla stuff in the position they did was THAT bad. They found the shrine and reacted to it. The bigger issue IMO is why aren't they at a family wedding? Why couldn't we use that wedding as a way to pick up with what is happening with them? Then, you have Joey run out because he recalls killing Ava and feels awful and can't be around people. Steve and Kayla leave as well and give their apologies for missing the wedding. That gets those 3 out of there before the wedding and then you can still play the same stuff today that you did and set everything else up. Or at least bring up why they aren't at the wedding. Steve had a big meeting with Belle. Kayla wanted to be there for that. Joey was a mess. Whatever. Just mention it. Not very hard. The writers get the most blame but I feel the actors, especially in the current collaborative environment, should point this out too.

The only reason IMO that I can tolerate the wedding stuff being delayed is because they needed the time to focus on the John story. I can deal with that. However, one could argue (and many will and they would be right) that they should've better planned all this out to avoid these issues.
I'm not sure how the actors are responsible. If they aren't in the episode with the wedding, they might not even know it's being filmed. Or at least that it's going to air the same Salem day that they are sitting in the Pub and therefore it should be mentioned. For all they know, it's mentioned somewhere else.

I think it's absolutely ridiculous that Steve and Kayla weren't at the wedding. And it absolutely should have been mentioned. But the actors don't get scripts for episodes they aren't in. And they don't put the shows together. That's on the writers.
I didn't say they were the primary ones to blame. That is on the writers, most especially the scriptwriters. And, yes, they don't always film things together. They film out of order. I know that. But SN and MBE are on set alot and they tend to be fairly up to speed on what is going on. I mean, the current episodes could've have been filmed that far apart. I don't know. I just think they could've mentioned something, especially given it's known in the past they have been vocal and among the actors that are hands on when allowed to be with things like dialogue and such. Maybe I should clarify...I blame the producers, directors, and scriptwriters and I'm shocked none of the actors said anything.
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Mar 14 2016, 03:48 PM
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Mar 14 2016, 03:16 PM
lysie
Mar 14 2016, 03:04 PM
Okay. The first second of this episode is pretty much everything that's wrong with this regime. We're picking up on a story from last week that got dropped at an awkward time on Wednesday. Two other stories had cliffhangers on Friday. One will pick up, but not both. No. That's not how this works. IDK whose issue this is, but whether it's the head writer's or the breakdown writer's, it needs to be fixed. Their killing their own momentum.
They need to at least leave the story in a place where they can leave it for a few days and then pick it up. I mean, I don't think leaving the Steve/Kayla stuff in the position they did was THAT bad. They found the shrine and reacted to it. The bigger issue IMO is why aren't they at a family wedding? Why couldn't we use that wedding as a way to pick up with what is happening with them? Then, you have Joey run out because he recalls killing Ava and feels awful and can't be around people. Steve and Kayla leave as well and give their apologies for missing the wedding. That gets those 3 out of there before the wedding and then you can still play the same stuff today that you did and set everything else up. Or at least bring up why they aren't at the wedding. Steve had a big meeting with Belle. Kayla wanted to be there for that. Joey was a mess. Whatever. Just mention it. Not very hard. The writers get the most blame but I feel the actors, especially in the current collaborative environment, should point this out too.

The only reason IMO that I can tolerate the wedding stuff being delayed is because they needed the time to focus on the John story. I can deal with that. However, one could argue (and many will and they would be right) that they should've better planned all this out to avoid these issues.
I'm not sure how the actors are responsible. If they aren't in the episode with the wedding, they might not even know it's being filmed. Or at least that it's going to air the same Salem day that they are sitting in the Pub and therefore it should be mentioned. For all they know, it's mentioned somewhere else.

I think it's absolutely ridiculous that Steve and Kayla weren't at the wedding. And it absolutely should have been mentioned. But the actors don't get scripts for episodes they aren't in. And they don't put the shows together. That's on the writers.
Yeah, I agree. It's one thing for KM to got to bat for JJ being at the wedding. But for SN and MBE to argue that point when they haven't been involved with Abby/Chad's story much at all since the new writers started is different. I think it's easier to go to bat for something when it directly involves your characters' primary story.
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lysie


The girls playing Arianna have had this "what have we stepped into" look on their faces since last week. It's cracking me up.
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Mar 14 2016, 03:29 PM
And they opened up some really good story potential, which was needed with Stefano gone. Even if Yo Ling is a goner at the end of this, you have his whole organization, this Alliance, out there looming. Days needs new villains and needs new threats and they now have one that I think can be invested in.
Maybe they stole some ideas from your VIPER story. ;)
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lysie


Today was good. The warehouse scenes were pretty effective. Disappointed they cut Belle/Shawn. I hope Marlena's part in this story picks up soon. I guess at least Gabi mentioned the wedding.
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Mar 14 2016, 03:59 PM
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Mar 14 2016, 03:48 PM
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Mar 14 2016, 03:16 PM

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I'm not sure how the actors are responsible. If they aren't in the episode with the wedding, they might not even know it's being filmed. Or at least that it's going to air the same Salem day that they are sitting in the Pub and therefore it should be mentioned. For all they know, it's mentioned somewhere else.

I think it's absolutely ridiculous that Steve and Kayla weren't at the wedding. And it absolutely should have been mentioned. But the actors don't get scripts for episodes they aren't in. And they don't put the shows together. That's on the writers.
Yeah, I agree. It's one thing for KM to got to bat for JJ being at the wedding. But for SN and MBE to argue that point when they haven't been involved with Abby/Chad's story much at all since the new writers started is different. I think it's easier to go to bat for something when it directly involves your characters' primary story.
Eh. I don't think one is any easier or more difficult. Like I said, I don't really blame them. I'm more surprised than anything because things like this that are glaring they usually pick up on. Maybe they did and they didn't manage to get their way. I doubt it given this regime seems to like collaboration especially with Griffith at the helm but who knows. For me, a simple tweak of dialogue that would've mention a reason for them not attending was all that was needed and I do believe they could've gotten that. Griffith clearly loves writing for them and Alarr is right there. Again, maybe I should've used a better word than "blame." Surprise and shocked they didn't is better especially since I feel they could've done something.
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Oh, and this backstory for John makes way more sense than the last few versions. Hopefully, this is the last time we go down this road. I liked that they tied up the loose ends with both the Alamains and Stefano.
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Mar 14 2016, 04:02 PM
PhoenixRising05
Mar 14 2016, 03:29 PM
And they opened up some really good story potential, which was needed with Stefano gone. Even if Yo Ling is a goner at the end of this, you have his whole organization, this Alliance, out there looming. Days needs new villains and needs new threats and they now have one that I think can be invested in.
Maybe they stole some ideas from your VIPER story. ;)
Seriously...I thought of that too :blulaugh: .

Speaking of which... :blulaugh:
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Mar 14 2016, 02:54 PM
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Mar 14 2016, 02:37 PM
Did they clarify today that Petrov betrayed Jigsaw and sold John to Stefano? I think that's what the tweets said. If so, I like that. It fits.
Yes they did and I assume Petrov sold him to Stefano which in my mind means John was physically sold four times in his life like a slave centuries ago would have been.

Am I counting right?

His mom sold him to that family so she could have a more comfortable life.

The orphanage, legally, sold him to the Alamain's.

The Alamain's sold him to Yo Ling.

Petrov stole John and sold him to Stefano. Then when Stefano was assumed dead Petrov was going to sell John again to the highest bidder the KGB, Victor Kiriakis or whomever else was bidding on him.

That's pretty fucked up.
Yes, that and a bit too far fetched to be believable or interesting. John has been too many things and has too many different past stories. Hurts my head just trying to keep up.
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lysie
Mar 14 2016, 03:35 PM
The thing with Justin is that the writing for him isn't terrible. It's just missing the fact that he's related to people and has known people. And TBH...some of that could be fixed in performance and direction. I'm not even sure who to blame.
You make a good point. I don't think it's the performance, I think it's the laziness of the writers and directions in regards to this. I think the fact that these idiot writers don't care one bit about all those angles. I know I'm being highly sensitive about this, but this has been going on far too long with Justin lol. But I know others have down this road before, but when it's my fav it pisses me off lol. It's this kind of stuff that messes with stories and makes it look more insane.
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esp13
Mar 14 2016, 03:48 PM
PhoenixRising05
Mar 14 2016, 03:16 PM
lysie
Mar 14 2016, 03:04 PM
Okay. The first second of this episode is pretty much everything that's wrong with this regime. We're picking up on a story from last week that got dropped at an awkward time on Wednesday. Two other stories had cliffhangers on Friday. One will pick up, but not both. No. That's not how this works. IDK whose issue this is, but whether it's the head writer's or the breakdown writer's, it needs to be fixed. Their killing their own momentum.
They need to at least leave the story in a place where they can leave it for a few days and then pick it up. I mean, I don't think leaving the Steve/Kayla stuff in the position they did was THAT bad. They found the shrine and reacted to it. The bigger issue IMO is why aren't they at a family wedding? Why couldn't we use that wedding as a way to pick up with what is happening with them? Then, you have Joey run out because he recalls killing Ava and feels awful and can't be around people. Steve and Kayla leave as well and give their apologies for missing the wedding. That gets those 3 out of there before the wedding and then you can still play the same stuff today that you did and set everything else up. Or at least bring up why they aren't at the wedding. Steve had a big meeting with Belle. Kayla wanted to be there for that. Joey was a mess. Whatever. Just mention it. Not very hard. The writers get the most blame but I feel the actors, especially in the current collaborative environment, should point this out too.

The only reason IMO that I can tolerate the wedding stuff being delayed is because they needed the time to focus on the John story. I can deal with that. However, one could argue (and many will and they would be right) that they should've better planned all this out to avoid these issues.
I'm not sure how the actors are responsible. If they aren't in the episode with the wedding, they might not even know it's being filmed. Or at least that it's going to air the same Salem day that they are sitting in the Pub and therefore it should be mentioned. For all they know, it's mentioned somewhere else.

I think it's absolutely ridiculous that Steve and Kayla weren't at the wedding. And it absolutely should have been mentioned. But the actors don't get scripts for episodes they aren't in. And they don't put the shows together. That's on the writers.
This reminds me, we're getting close to the time that MBE mentioned she took a script to JG because she felt Kayla would never say that line to Steve. Or maybe it was in a recent episode. I'm so curious, lol. But anyway, they may be picking their battles.
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Mar 14 2016, 04:12 PM
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Mar 14 2016, 03:35 PM
The thing with Justin is that the writing for him isn't terrible. It's just missing the fact that he's related to people and has known people. And TBH...some of that could be fixed in performance and direction. I'm not even sure who to blame.
You make a good point. I don't think it's the performance, I think it's the laziness of the writers and directions in regards to this. I think the fact that these idiot writers don't care one bit about all those angles. I know I'm being highly sensitive about this, but this has been going on far too long with Justin lol. But I know others have down this road before, but when it's my fav it pisses me off lol. It's this kind of stuff that messes with stories and makes it look more insane.
I feel like Wally could add some layers to the performance...however, for all I know, he wants to and has been told not to. IDK. It seems even more obvious now that it's Steve and not Chad.
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Mar 14 2016, 03:31 PM
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Mar 14 2016, 02:43 PM
Will admit that Kayla's rant against my Justin was good lol. In some ways it was justified. But still... The whole situation needs to end ASAP!
Hmmm...I'm hoping Steve and Justin have it out at some point. I enjoy their animosity, which is tempered by the way they both care about Adrienne.

Complex relationships are interesting on a soap. Besides, Justin's just doing his job. He doesn't know the whole truth...that an impaired Joey killed Ava, and Steve's trying to protect his son.

Justin's gotta do his job. I prefer he go by the book rather than letting Steve off the way he let Hope off. I think Hope should face consequences for what she did. Not just because she killed Stefano. I actually understood that she was driven to that by his years of causing everyone pain and heartache. She'd just had enough. But the framing? I don't love that at all, and I wish Hope would step up and take responsibility, get a good lawyer, and take her chances with the legal system.

I don't blame Justin at all. I do understand why Steve and Kayla would be upset with him, and maybe it'll lead to some good stuff with Adrienne and Justin, too.

It's conflict, and conflict creates stories.

I would love to see more of the Justin/Steve animosity played out. There is a lot to play with that. I agree that Justin just doing his job, but there's some beats they are missing from this. At least Justin isn't covering other people's crimes like those dingbats Hope, Rafe and Roman lol

I will hope for the best!
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Mar 14 2016, 04:03 PM
Today was good. The warehouse scenes were pretty effective. Disappointed they cut Belle/Shawn. I hope Marlena's part in this story picks up soon. I guess at least Gabi mentioned the wedding.
I haven't watched yet, but I'm so sick of them cutting Belle/Shawn. I enjoy their scenes together.
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Mar 14 2016, 04:20 PM
lysie
Mar 14 2016, 04:03 PM
Today was good. The warehouse scenes were pretty effective. Disappointed they cut Belle/Shawn. I hope Marlena's part in this story picks up soon. I guess at least Gabi mentioned the wedding.
I haven't watched yet, but I'm so sick of them cutting Belle/Shawn. I enjoy their scenes together.
I agree! I've never been much of Shelle fan and always rooted for Shawn and Belle with others. However, I'm really digging their chemistry this time around and could root for them.
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lysie
Mar 14 2016, 04:15 PM
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Mar 14 2016, 04:12 PM
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Mar 14 2016, 03:35 PM
The thing with Justin is that the writing for him isn't terrible. It's just missing the fact that he's related to people and has known people. And TBH...some of that could be fixed in performance and direction. I'm not even sure who to blame.
You make a good point. I don't think it's the performance, I think it's the laziness of the writers and directions in regards to this. I think the fact that these idiot writers don't care one bit about all those angles. I know I'm being highly sensitive about this, but this has been going on far too long with Justin lol. But I know others have down this road before, but when it's my fav it pisses me off lol. It's this kind of stuff that messes with stories and makes it look more insane.
I feel like Wally could add some layers to the performance...however, for all I know, he wants to and has been told not to. IDK. It seems even more obvious now that it's Steve and not Chad.
That could be the case, I'm hoping its more of him being told not do it, but I could be wrong. All I know is that something has to change and get Justin back on track with more layers, not just some d-bag as the DA. I miss the hardass lawyer with compassion he used to be.
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Thank you JCP.

I really wish they had tied Steve's ISA missions into the agency.

They went from his full out abandonment of Kayla and Joey in Africa to Kayla talking about all his ISA missions and coming home and leaving on another mission again.

I wanted Steve to tell them that while he was with ISA, that he and a small team would raid those camps and try to free as many kids as possible before they were brainwashed into being killers. It would explain how the ISA could guilt him into doing it by telling how could he face his own kids if he didn't do something to try to help these kids. It could show Steve feeling bad about what happened to John and Eduardo and no one there to help them.
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lysie
Mar 14 2016, 03:52 PM
LMAO @ Kayla wanting Justin to schedule surgery for the stick up his butt.
I didn't agree, I think he needs a massive enema to remove the shit he's full of...I mean he's so fair and impartial...

I mean he lets Hope off
He acts like there's no case against Chase
and then
He draws a target on Steve, and it seemed just so much about what Steve supposedly did. ugh :drunk:
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I mean Yo Ling...yes you seem like such the good guy, so noble...sure, right!
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