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Monday, March 14th Episode Discussion
Topic Started: Mar 13 2016, 04:25 PM (13,316 Views)
lysie


crookedhalo
Mar 14 2016, 05:19 PM
lysie
Mar 14 2016, 03:52 PM
LMAO @ Kayla wanting Justin to schedule surgery for the stick up his butt.
I didn't agree, I think he needs a massive enema to remove the shit he's full of...I mean he's so fair and impartial...

I mean he lets Hope off
He acts like there's no case against Chase
and then
He draws a target on Steve, and it seemed just so much about what Steve supposedly did. ugh :drunk:
Wouldn't surgery imply a worse impaction?
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moniker11
Mar 14 2016, 02:32 PM
Tobin and Drake were totally awesome today. The really cast a perfect guy to be creepy, insane, violent dad. Jigsaw is fantastic.

I know a lot of people are upset with Justin but ignore him for a minute and look at the law. Ava was a loon, no question. Still she was in a hospital bed and at the exact moment of her murder no threat to anyone. In the eyes of the law what Joey/Steve did is premeditated murder. It's pretty black and white. It's Belle's job to argue extenuating circumstances, the threat she posed to Kayla but for Justin as the DA he's got to follow the law and prosecute Steve.

Steve I adore you. Taking the fall for your son and then putting yourself further out there to do whatever is necessary to rescue your friend and partner John. I also really love that Kayla is upset John's missing. In my little world they're still bother and sister and I appreciate her worry and concern.

Joey you're an idiot. Of course it's a good idea to confess to murder to a girl you barely know.

Marlena looks like she's barely holding it together as the proof that no one knows where John is begins to sink in. Oh man when she gets a target to vent all that anger, fear, worry on, watch out.

I didn't even mind the Hernandez clan. Really a great episode. Can't wait to see how the rest of this John story plays out.
I agree with every point you raised.Especially concerning Justin.I find it refreshing that he is actually doing his job in an ethical manner.
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jane1978


PhoenixRising05
Mar 14 2016, 03:29 PM
Yeah, I forgot to add, that I love how this ties back to how Marlena brought everything good into his life. That is very fitting, And the irony of all this is it was all because of Stefano, their greatest foe. Petrov gave him to Stefano and if that never happens, John never ends up with Marlena. I just think this really works on so many levels.

I feel bad for Griffith because I think he wanted to do far more with all this. I think if Dena had not had her 3 months reign of terror we would've seen far more buildup to all this with John, Marlena, Eduardo, etc. I mean, they tied this in with Bo's death and there was so much speculation back in the Fall of all these stories tying together and here we are. I just think it's so cool how they connected all this and how John's backstory fits. And they opened up some really good story potential, which was needed with Stefano gone. Even if Yo Ling is a goner at the end of this, you have his whole organization, this Alliance, out there looming. Days needs new villains and needs new threats and they now have one that I think can be invested in.
No, just no. I strongly disagree this is a good story or a good move. The story is so convoluted and overtop it reminds me the worst flashback storylines from Arrow and trust me, thatīs not a compliment. There is a zilion better written, better produced and better acted action and spy show on television the viewers can tune in anytime they want. Trying to do the same on a cheap looking soap will just make them ridicule it and then switch the program. The only time DAYS is able to attract more than their usual audience is when they are featuring an interesting, hot, couples. Thatīs what soaps are about and the good thing, you just need two actors with smoking chemistry like Chabby and people are happy just watching them reading a cookbook.

I have no idea for whom is this action spy stuff except maybe some hardcore vet fans who are happy to see their heros of youth in an action again. But I do remember one of the most hated thing on Revenge was when the writers tried to do a similar move and introduced this supersecret terrorist villain organization which was supposed to be behind everything. It was called The Initiative which is just as cheesy name as Alliance.
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BeeBee
Mar 14 2016, 05:31 PM
moniker11
Mar 14 2016, 02:32 PM
Tobin and Drake were totally awesome today. The really cast a perfect guy to be creepy, insane, violent dad. Jigsaw is fantastic.

I know a lot of people are upset with Justin but ignore him for a minute and look at the law. Ava was a loon, no question. Still she was in a hospital bed and at the exact moment of her murder no threat to anyone. In the eyes of the law what Joey/Steve did is premeditated murder. It's pretty black and white. It's Belle's job to argue extenuating circumstances, the threat she posed to Kayla but for Justin as the DA he's got to follow the law and prosecute Steve.

Steve I adore you. Taking the fall for your son and then putting yourself further out there to do whatever is necessary to rescue your friend and partner John. I also really love that Kayla is upset John's missing. In my little world they're still bother and sister and I appreciate her worry and concern.

Joey you're an idiot. Of course it's a good idea to confess to murder to a girl you barely know.

Marlena looks like she's barely holding it together as the proof that no one knows where John is begins to sink in. Oh man when she gets a target to vent all that anger, fear, worry on, watch out.

I didn't even mind the Hernandez clan. Really a great episode. Can't wait to see how the rest of this John story plays out.
I agree with every point you raised.Especially concerning Justin.I find it refreshing that he is actually doing his job in an ethical manner.
It's not Justin being ethical that is the problem. It's his complete lack of compassion/conflict/understanding about it. I've got no problem with Justin telling Belle that he can't drop the charges based on the evidence. But he could be a little less "I can't wait to put this guy in jail" about the whole thing. How about a little recognition of what Ava put Kayla through? How about a little compassion for a guy trying to protect his family? How about just a tiny bit of recognition that the guy he's prosecuting is his kid's uncle and that putting Steve in prison is not going to be good for Kayla or Joey?

That's all I'm asking for is some layers to the character. I mean, this is the same guy who clearly didn't believe a word of Hope's confession to killing Dr. Malcolm in self-defense, but just accepted it. Even before that, Justin was making Hope's arraignment easier and going to her house and begging her to give him something he could work with. That's the Justin that I love - doing his job, but having some compassion as well.

This guy is back to the ass who had Chad tried and convicted before he was even arrested. There's nothing interesting about him.
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lysie
Mar 14 2016, 04:04 PM
Oh, and this backstory for John makes way more sense than the last few versions. Hopefully, this is the last time we go down this road. I liked that they tied up the loose ends with both the Alamains and Stefano.
I love that this isn't changing canon, it's simply filling in parts we didn't really have before. So that's new.
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moniker11


bygnedys
Mar 14 2016, 05:13 PM
I really wish they had tied Steve's ISA missions into the agency.

They went from his full out abandonment of Kayla and Joey in Africa to Kayla talking about all his ISA missions and coming home and leaving on another mission again.

I wanted Steve to tell them that while he was with ISA, that he and a small team would raid those camps and try to free as many kids as possible before they were brainwashed into being killers. It would explain how the ISA could guilt him into doing it by telling how could he face his own kids if he didn't do something to try to help these kids. It could show Steve feeling bad about what happened to John and Eduardo and no one there to help them.
They still can though because of Eduardo's line about everyone he knows has at least 5 or 6 identities and that he doesn't believe he ever met anyone high up in the hierarchy.

So there's all kinds of possibilities, say Steve's handler was supposed to be working for the ISA but had extra side missions he had Steve do for Phantom Agency. He could have come across a Phantom agent by accident. Hell Ava could have at one time had something to do with them and involved Steve during his missing years.

By introducing this whole shadow agency they've basically opened up everything as far as potential boogy men to replace Stefano. The possibilities are endless if they want to go this route.
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jane1978
Mar 14 2016, 05:35 PM
PhoenixRising05
Mar 14 2016, 03:29 PM
Yeah, I forgot to add, that I love how this ties back to how Marlena brought everything good into his life. That is very fitting, And the irony of all this is it was all because of Stefano, their greatest foe. Petrov gave him to Stefano and if that never happens, John never ends up with Marlena. I just think this really works on so many levels.

I feel bad for Griffith because I think he wanted to do far more with all this. I think if Dena had not had her 3 months reign of terror we would've seen far more buildup to all this with John, Marlena, Eduardo, etc. I mean, they tied this in with Bo's death and there was so much speculation back in the Fall of all these stories tying together and here we are. I just think it's so cool how they connected all this and how John's backstory fits. And they opened up some really good story potential, which was needed with Stefano gone. Even if Yo Ling is a goner at the end of this, you have his whole organization, this Alliance, out there looming. Days needs new villains and needs new threats and they now have one that I think can be invested in.
No, just no. I strongly disagree this is a good story or a good move. The story is so convoluted and overtop it reminds me the worst flashback storylines from Arrow and trust me, thatīs not a compliment. There is a zilion better written, better produced and better acted action and spy show on television the viewers can tune in anytime they want. Trying to do the same on a cheap looking soap will just make them ridicule it and then switch the program. The only time DAYS is able to attract more than their usual audience is when they are featuring an interesting, hot, couples. Thatīs what soaps are about and the good thing, you just need two actors with smoking chemistry like Chabby and people are happy just watching them reading a cookbook.

I have no idea for whom is this action spy stuff except maybe some hardcore vet fans who are happy to see their heros of youth in an action again. But I do remember one of the most hated thing on Revenge was when the writers tried to do a similar move and introduced this supersecret terrorist villain organization which was supposed to be behind everything. It was called The Initiative which is just as cheesy name as Alliance.
This isn't a prime time show, it's a soap. Over the top and convoluted backstories are kind of a thing on soaps. This one actually ties together most of John's history in a fairly neat manner. Like anything taken apart and put back together, there are a few leftover pieces that don't quite fit, but overall it works.

And a young, "smoking" couple isn't enough to keep people tuned in without other stories going on. The production values have actually been pretty decent on this particular story, but most soap fans know better than to expect primetime quality production values. We may snark about it, but it's rarely what makes somebody tune in or out.
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lysie


jane1978
Mar 14 2016, 05:35 PM
PhoenixRising05
Mar 14 2016, 03:29 PM
Yeah, I forgot to add, that I love how this ties back to how Marlena brought everything good into his life. That is very fitting, And the irony of all this is it was all because of Stefano, their greatest foe. Petrov gave him to Stefano and if that never happens, John never ends up with Marlena. I just think this really works on so many levels.

I feel bad for Griffith because I think he wanted to do far more with all this. I think if Dena had not had her 3 months reign of terror we would've seen far more buildup to all this with John, Marlena, Eduardo, etc. I mean, they tied this in with Bo's death and there was so much speculation back in the Fall of all these stories tying together and here we are. I just think it's so cool how they connected all this and how John's backstory fits. And they opened up some really good story potential, which was needed with Stefano gone. Even if Yo Ling is a goner at the end of this, you have his whole organization, this Alliance, out there looming. Days needs new villains and needs new threats and they now have one that I think can be invested in.
No, just no. I strongly disagree this is a good story or a good move. The story is so convoluted and overtop it reminds me the worst flashback storylines from Arrow and trust me, thatīs not a compliment. There is a zilion better written, better produced and better acted action and spy show on television the viewers can tune in anytime they want. Trying to do the same on a cheap looking soap will just make them ridicule it and then switch the program. The only time DAYS is able to attract more than their usual audience is when they are featuring an interesting, hot, couples. Thatīs what soaps are about and the good thing, you just need two actors with smoking chemistry like Chabby and people are happy just watching them reading a cookbook.

I have no idea for whom is this action spy stuff except maybe some hardcore vet fans who are happy to see their heros of youth in an action again. But I do remember one of the most hated thing on Revenge was when the writers tried to do a similar move and introduced this supersecret terrorist villain organization which was supposed to be behind everything. It was called The Initiative which is just as cheesy name as Alliance.
There's also a zillion better written couples and love stories. :shrug: Couples haven't been how Days has gotten viewers in decades. IDK if this will help or hurt them, though because of the time of year, I don't think it will matter much either way. I agree that it's a cheesy name, but the story itself works.
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crookedhalo
Mar 14 2016, 05:19 PM
lysie
Mar 14 2016, 03:52 PM
LMAO @ Kayla wanting Justin to schedule surgery for the stick up his butt.
I didn't agree, I think he needs a massive enema to remove the shit he's full of...I mean he's so fair and impartial...

I mean he lets Hope off
He acts like there's no case against Chase
and then
He draws a target on Steve, and it seemed just so much about what Steve supposedly did. ugh :drunk:
The situations with Hope and Chase were different.I don't see how Justin can over look that Steve in the room alone with Ava moments after she died and immediately confessed to the police officer that he killed her.
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lysie


BeeBee
Mar 14 2016, 05:43 PM
crookedhalo
Mar 14 2016, 05:19 PM
lysie
Mar 14 2016, 03:52 PM
LMAO @ Kayla wanting Justin to schedule surgery for the stick up his butt.
I didn't agree, I think he needs a massive enema to remove the shit he's full of...I mean he's so fair and impartial...

I mean he lets Hope off
He acts like there's no case against Chase
and then
He draws a target on Steve, and it seemed just so much about what Steve supposedly did. ugh :drunk:
The situations with Hope and Chase were different.I don't see how Justin can over look that Steve in the room alone with Ava moments after she died and immediately confessed to the police officer that he killed her.
Okay. No one is saying he should overlook it.
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This whole Justin/Steve thing seems to boil down to the fact that they don't get along and Justin isn't sympathetic to his plight. Now yes Justin should be because of Kayla and Joey but I get that his job. Beyond that his personal feelings for Steve plus their less than stellar history just don't make him inclined to be willing to work something out.

Also beyond that the DA isn't really supposed to bring compassion or sympathy to the job. He's supposed to prosecute criminals and that's it. Maybe for some he's playing it too literal but I do get where he's coming from here.
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lysie
Mar 14 2016, 05:45 PM
BeeBee
Mar 14 2016, 05:43 PM
crookedhalo
Mar 14 2016, 05:19 PM

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The situations with Hope and Chase were different.I don't see how Justin can over look that Steve in the room alone with Ava moments after she died and immediately confessed to the police officer that he killed her.
Okay. No one is saying he should overlook it.
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BeeBee
Mar 14 2016, 05:43 PM
crookedhalo
Mar 14 2016, 05:19 PM
lysie
Mar 14 2016, 03:52 PM
LMAO @ Kayla wanting Justin to schedule surgery for the stick up his butt.
I didn't agree, I think he needs a massive enema to remove the shit he's full of...I mean he's so fair and impartial...

I mean he lets Hope off
He acts like there's no case against Chase
and then
He draws a target on Steve, and it seemed just so much about what Steve supposedly did. ugh :drunk:
The situations with Hope and Chase were different.I don't see how Justin can over look that Steve in the room alone with Ava moments after she died and immediately confessed to the police officer that he killed her.
Nobody's saying he should overlook it. Just not be an ass about it.
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Lovejm


This is a great example of why the DA should be an unconnected person. So he can be ruthless. Having Justin in this role and so one dimensional doesn't do him or any relationships any favors.
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moniker11
Mar 14 2016, 05:48 PM
This whole Justin/Steve thing seems to boil down to the fact that they don't get along and Justin isn't sympathetic to his plight. Now yes Justin should be because of Kayla and Joey but I get that his job. Beyond that his personal feelings for Steve plus their less than stellar history just don't make him inclined to be willing to work something out.

Also beyond that the DA isn't really supposed to bring compassion or sympathy to the job. He's supposed to prosecute criminals and that's it. Maybe for some he's playing it too literal but I do get where he's coming from here.
Well, that whole "no compassion" thing went out the window when he let Hope off the hook for Malcolm's death.

I know he doesn't get along with Steve. I don't really care if he likes Steve or not. But Steve is his ex-wife's brother, uncle to his children, father to his nephew. I'd expect anybody to have a little compassion - at least for what this will do to those people, even if he doesn't give a fig about Steve.

Layers are good things in characters, not bad things.
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lysie
Mar 14 2016, 05:45 PM
BeeBee
Mar 14 2016, 05:43 PM
crookedhalo
Mar 14 2016, 05:19 PM

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The situations with Hope and Chase were different.I don't see how Justin can over look that Steve in the room alone with Ava moments after she died and immediately confessed to the police officer that he killed her.
Okay. No one is saying he should overlook it.
I was merely pointing out that the evidence in Steve's case it more clear cut since there are impartial witnesses in Ava's death but there are no impartial witnesses to what happened between Hope and Dr.Malcom.Hope and Stefano,or Chase and Ciara.
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lysie


BeeBee
Mar 14 2016, 05:53 PM
lysie
Mar 14 2016, 05:45 PM
BeeBee
Mar 14 2016, 05:43 PM

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Okay. No one is saying he should overlook it.
I was merely pointing out that the evidence in Steve's case it more clear cut since there are impartial witnesses in Ava's death but there are no impartial witnesses to what happened between Hope and Dr.Malcom.Hope and Stefano,or Chase and Ciara.
Right. But all of that is beside the point we're making. If Ava had done absolutely nothing and Steve had walked into a room full of people and shot Ava in the head in front of them, Justin should still have some conflict about the situation and how it affects his family.
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esp13
Mar 14 2016, 05:49 PM
BeeBee
Mar 14 2016, 05:43 PM
crookedhalo
Mar 14 2016, 05:19 PM

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The situations with Hope and Chase were different.I don't see how Justin can over look that Steve in the room alone with Ava moments after she died and immediately confessed to the police officer that he killed her.
Nobody's saying he should overlook it. Just not be an ass about it.
I guess I just don't equate Justin's behavior with being an ass.
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lysie
Mar 14 2016, 05:26 PM
crookedhalo
Mar 14 2016, 05:19 PM
lysie
Mar 14 2016, 03:52 PM
LMAO @ Kayla wanting Justin to schedule surgery for the stick up his butt.
I didn't agree, I think he needs a massive enema to remove the shit he's full of...I mean he's so fair and impartial...

I mean he lets Hope off
He acts like there's no case against Chase
and then
He draws a target on Steve, and it seemed just so much about what Steve supposedly did. ugh :drunk:
Wouldn't surgery imply a worse impaction?
well the stick might be holding in the shit. :blulaugh:
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Poor Marlena. Her husband almost cheats on her, he calls her collateral damage. She gets kidnapped and potentially killed by her husband's father and he calls her collateral damage. Gal can't catch a break!
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