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Mar 18 2016, 06:15 PM
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I don't really understand why Roman's covering everything up. Once he found out what Hope did, he should have counseled her to turn herself in. Get her a decent lawyer, make sure everyone knows the many things Stefano did that drove her to the action she took, then have her do some time in an institution.
Joey did a terrible thing, and while he is afraid, he wants to take responsibility. Let him. Given Ava's actions, and the fact that she had already killed his grandfather years ago, that she had attacked Kayla and held her hostage and was a clear and constant threat to Kayla, he wouldn't have gotten the maximum sentence.
I don't like for him to disregard what they did. Bend the law some, sure. But don't disregard murder. We know they DID it, so there should be some kind of payment.
I don't disagree in some ways. I mean, I think - as a general rule - there should be consequences for things. But, in regards to Joey, it's a more difficult question. He did something awful, no question. But there is also no question that Ava was psycho and - while it could have been built up better - that he really did kind of snap. And, here's the thing - maybe he doesn't get a "maximum" sentence but prison time is likely to ruin his life (shut up, Gabi, you don't count). In the real world, if he spent five years in prison after a murder conviction, he'd be lucky to ever get any kind of decent job again. A background check would pretty much automatically exclude him and probably exclude him from a lot of colleges and professions. So, I can actually buy that the people that love the kid don't want to see his life ruined by Ava. And while maybe it shouldn't matter who his victim was, it kind of does - at least to me. I see what you're saying. I don't have a problem with it in some respects.
All Joey had seen of Ava since he found out what she was really after was her manipulation of his father, her blackmail, her attacking his mother and holding her hostage. Then he heard Ava was trying to frame his mom, so he knew she was a threat.
He'd been drinking, too. Not exactly a recipe for clear thinking for anyone, much less a sixteen year old. He was trying to protect his mom, and he was way off in the way he did it.
So I can see why people would want to protect him. I understand why Steve and Kayla are. They're Joey's parents, and they have a natural inclination to want to shield him. But Roman is crossing too many lines for his position as police commander.
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Mar 18 2016, 06:15 PM
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Wow! Tobin Bell was great and I thought I saw 1980s' Drake - action stories definitely suit him better than the usual 2010s stuff.
VJ was strong in non-verbal scenes again.
Hope/Kayla scenes were strong.
Just a thought. From personality perspective, I could imagine Olivia playing Ciara that was played by Lauren - charismatic, energetic, enthusiastic.
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Mar 18 2016, 06:24 PM
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I don't really understand why Roman's covering everything up. Once he found out what Hope did, he should have counseled her to turn herself in. Get her a decent lawyer, make sure everyone knows the many things Stefano did that drove her to the action she took, then have her do some time in an institution.
Joey did a terrible thing, and while he is afraid, he wants to take responsibility. Let him. Given Ava's actions, and the fact that she had already killed his grandfather years ago, that she had attacked Kayla and held her hostage and was a clear and constant threat to Kayla, he wouldn't have gotten the maximum sentence.
I don't like for him to disregard what they did. Bend the law some, sure. But don't disregard murder. We know they DID it, so there should be some kind of payment.
I don't disagree in some ways. I mean, I think - as a general rule - there should be consequences for things. But, in regards to Joey, it's a more difficult question. He did something awful, no question. But there is also no question that Ava was psycho and - while it could have been built up better - that he really did kind of snap. And, here's the thing - maybe he doesn't get a "maximum" sentence but prison time is likely to ruin his life (shut up, Gabi, you don't count). In the real world, if he spent five years in prison after a murder conviction, he'd be lucky to ever get any kind of decent job again. A background check would pretty much automatically exclude him and probably exclude him from a lot of colleges and professions. So, I can actually buy that the people that love the kid don't want to see his life ruined by Ava. And while maybe it shouldn't matter who his victim was, it kind of does - at least to me.
I see what you're saying. I don't have a problem with it in some respects. All Joey had seen of Ava since he found out what she was really after was her manipulation of his father, her blackmail, her attacking his mother and holding her hostage. Then he heard Ava was trying to frame his mom, so he knew she was a threat. He'd been drinking, too. Not exactly a recipe for clear thinking for anyone, much less a sixteen year old. He was trying to protect his mom, and he was way off in the way he did it. So I can see why people would want to protect him. I understand why Steve and Kayla are. They're Joey's parents, and they have a natural inclination to want to shield him. But Roman is crossing too many lines for his position as police commander. I tend to agree about Roman, but it's not like this is a new thing for him. He's covered for Sami, Marlena, and now Hope (and Rafe). Heck, even RoJohn covered for Bo when he found out he was the Riverfront Raider. He might have even covered for Kayla in the Marina stuff if Abe hadn't stuck his nose into things.
I'm not saying it's right, but it's not out of character. I don't think the Stefano stuff is over so I'm not convinced there won't be any consequences down the line.
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Mar 18 2016, 06:28 PM
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I see what you're saying. I don't have a problem with it in some respects. All Joey had seen of Ava since he found out what she was really after was her manipulation of his father, her blackmail, her attacking his mother and holding her hostage. Then he heard Ava was trying to frame his mom, so he knew she was a threat. He'd been drinking, too. Not exactly a recipe for clear thinking for anyone, much less a sixteen year old. He was trying to protect his mom, and he was way off in the way he did it. So I can see why people would want to protect him. I understand why Steve and Kayla are. They're Joey's parents, and they have a natural inclination to want to shield him. But Roman is crossing too many lines for his position as police commander.
I tend to agree about Roman, but it's not like this is a new thing for him. He's covered for Sami, Marlena, and now Hope (and Rafe). Heck, even RoJohn covered for Bo when he found out he was the Riverfront Raider. He might have even covered for Kayla in the Marina stuff if Abe hadn't stuck his nose into things. I'm not saying it's right, but it's not out of character. I don't think the Stefano stuff is over so I'm not convinced there won't be any consequences down the line. This doesn't change your main point, but I don't think Roman actually did cover for Marlena. He offered to, but she didn't accept.
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Mar 18 2016, 06:31 PM
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Today's episode.
I wish they'd do a story-line for Ciara where she lost her ability to speak. I literally break out with a laugh or roll my eyes in disbelief at the line delivery at least 90% of the time. VJ did a nice job on the scene with Claire singing.
I feel like Claire was a little bit stupid today. Why such a depressing song when you know the girl has been raped?
They did a good job on Ciara's party today in terms of making it look far less pathetic than the previous Ciara bashes.
I hope they taped a scene of Hope climbing on top of that bar and dragging Ciara out of that party by her ear. I'm going to be disappointed if we come back to this on Monday and Ciara's already been dragged out.
That Kayla & Hope scene was great. I wish family & friends on DAYS would get to interact like that more. Sigh. Bo mentions! Nice. ETA: These scenes are what happens when you go with organic instead of contrived. It felt completely natural for them to confide in each other life that, without pause. I want to also throw out here, go to December 2015 and I really felt Hope felt she had nothing to live for & there's been this natural evolution to where I honestly believe Ciara's pretty much all that's left of her heart (sorry Shawn, lol). I like how that just happened over time, and through a process.
I like the Dario/Rafe vibe re:Eduardo. Rafe being angry but a little bit more mature, Dario being impetuous and wounded. I wish Martinez would get that crap off of his face though. I know he's taping some other show but ugh.
JigsawSplinterJohnDaddy and his preaching about the environment just automatically turns me off and I like the environment. So, today, I give those scenes a meh.
Rafe & Steve being sexist annoys me. Points to Steve for putting his family first instead of his newest bro or sense of adventure.
I feel kind of bad for Roman, his family is full of crazy criminals just dragging him in. He did a good job in the Joey scene over Kayla's vocals because I certainly wouldn't have gotten what happened if I was going by Joey's delivery even though I knew Joey's intent. The actor playing Joey was pretty much atrocious today.
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Mar 18 2016, 06:38 PM
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John's Past I'm fine with this story. No, we didn't need to go down this road again, but since they decided to take us down it anyway, I'm glad it at least makes sense, fits the history we already know, and is being done well. My continued issue, though, is that they keep giving the stories to John. He has been the center of pretty much every story they've had for the last decade...if not longer. Enough. I'm hoping Marlena's place in this story increases this coming week, but ultimately, if they insist on giving "them" a story, I'd rather see her than him. And they clearly would prefer that too, since they keep her around more than they do him, but for whatever reason that just never translates into anything. But don't be fooled. I don't need stories about them. I'd like to see them with their family. I'm fine with them supporting. I'd just like to see her get supported more often than him. Plus, John now has some friends (Eduardo, Steve), can Marlena have some? Just making sure a decade is ten yrs?? He's been the center of the show?? I bet that episode numbers don't support. It has to be Alison Scrunch face to cry Sweeney
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Mar 18 2016, 06:43 PM
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John's Past I'm fine with this story. No, we didn't need to go down this road again, but since they decided to take us down it anyway, I'm glad it at least makes sense, fits the history we already know, and is being done well. My continued issue, though, is that they keep giving the stories to John. He has been the center of pretty much every story they've had for the last decade...if not longer. Enough. I'm hoping Marlena's place in this story increases this coming week, but ultimately, if they insist on giving "them" a story, I'd rather see her than him. And they clearly would prefer that too, since they keep her around more than they do him, but for whatever reason that just never translates into anything. But don't be fooled. I don't need stories about them. I'd like to see them with their family. I'm fine with them supporting. I'd just like to see her get supported more often than him. Plus, John now has some friends (Eduardo, Steve), can Marlena have some?
Just making sure a decade is ten yrs?? He's been the center of the show?? I bet that episode numbers don't support. It has to be Alison Scrunch face to cry Sweeney I didn't say a damn thing about him being the center of the show.
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Mar 18 2016, 06:46 PM
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Ive only just thought about it but turning a world famous baseball player into a secret assassin spy environmental terrorist makes about as nuch sense as a world famous baseball player disguising his identity with a baseball cap.
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Mar 18 2016, 06:47 PM
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John's Past I'm fine with this story. No, we didn't need to go down this road again, but since they decided to take us down it anyway, I'm glad it at least makes sense, fits the history we already know, and is being done well. My continued issue, though, is that they keep giving the stories to John. He has been the center of pretty much every story they've had for the last decade...if not longer. Enough. I'm hoping Marlena's place in this story increases this coming week, but ultimately, if they insist on giving "them" a story, I'd rather see her than him. And they clearly would prefer that too, since they keep her around more than they do him, but for whatever reason that just never translates into anything. But don't be fooled. I don't need stories about them. I'd like to see them with their family. I'm fine with them supporting. I'd just like to see her get supported more often than him. Plus, John now has some friends (Eduardo, Steve), can Marlena have some? I don't think you have to worry about John and Marlena ever getting a story again. Not under this regime. And if for argument's sake they do, it will be in name only - just like the current "John and Marlena story" - the one where Marlena is so instrumental in helping to find John, that she stands behind a couch with barley any dialogue for three scenes in an entire episode, once a week. Disgusting. Over it.
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Well. Most unrealistic thing today? A paper map. Come now, Days. I still use them. LOL
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Mar 18 2016, 07:03 PM
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Well. Most unrealistic thing today? A paper map. Come now, Days.
I still use them. LOL I don't even know where to find them except for at some places that use them for decor.
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John's Past I'm fine with this story. No, we didn't need to go down this road again, but since they decided to take us down it anyway, I'm glad it at least makes sense, fits the history we already know, and is being done well. My continued issue, though, is that they keep giving the stories to John. He has been the center of pretty much every story they've had for the last decade...if not longer. Enough. I'm hoping Marlena's place in this story increases this coming week, but ultimately, if they insist on giving "them" a story, I'd rather see her than him. And they clearly would prefer that too, since they keep her around more than they do him, but for whatever reason that just never translates into anything. But don't be fooled. I don't need stories about them. I'd like to see them with their family. I'm fine with them supporting. I'd just like to see her get supported more often than him. Plus, John now has some friends (Eduardo, Steve), can Marlena have some?
I don't think you have to worry about John and Marlena ever getting a story again. Not under this regime. And if for argument's sake they do, it will be in name only - just like the current "John and Marlena story" - the one where Marlena is so instrumental in helping to find John, that she stands behind a couch with barley any dialogue for three scenes in an entire episode, once a week. Disgusting. Over it. I'm not worried.
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Mar 18 2016, 07:09 PM
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Know what's interesting?
Mention John, Marlena, Steve, Kayla, Hope, Paul, Lucas, Victor, often Justin and/or Adrienne, and people mostly perk up and consider watching, at least. Even if their stories aren't wonderful, because there'll be something to watch that's positive somewhere. A snippet of a scene, some "moment."
Mention Summer, and most people groan.
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Mar 18 2016, 07:16 PM
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John's Past I'm fine with this story. No, we didn't need to go down this road again, but since they decided to take us down it anyway, I'm glad it at least makes sense, fits the history we already know, and is being done well. My continued issue, though, is that they keep giving the stories to John. He has been the center of pretty much every story they've had for the last decade...if not longer. Enough. I'm hoping Marlena's place in this story increases this coming week, but ultimately, if they insist on giving "them" a story, I'd rather see her than him. And they clearly would prefer that too, since they keep her around more than they do him, but for whatever reason that just never translates into anything. But don't be fooled. I don't need stories about them. I'd like to see them with their family. I'm fine with them supporting. I'd just like to see her get supported more often than him. Plus, John now has some friends (Eduardo, Steve), can Marlena have some?
I don't think you have to worry about John and Marlena ever getting a story again. Not under this regime. And if for argument's sake they do, it will be in name only - just like the current "John and Marlena story" - the one where Marlena is so instrumental in helping to find John, that she stands behind a couch with barley any dialogue for three scenes in an entire episode, once a week. Disgusting. Over it.
I'm not worried. Yes, that much is clear.
When you use the word "we" in your post above, I hope it's clear that you don't speak for me or any of the John and Marlena fan contingent I know :)
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Mar 18 2016, 07:21 PM
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I'm not worried.
Yes, that much is clear. When you use the word "we" in your post above, I hope it's clear that you don't speak for me or any of the John and Marlena fan contingent I know :) This isn't going to turn into a pissing match. If you want to discuss, do it. Otherwise, go away.
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Well. Most unrealistic thing today? A paper map. Come now, Days.
I still use them. LOL
I don't even know where to find them except for at some places that use them for decor. Sporting goods departments in most stores still have them. Convenience stores have them, too.
I have a terrible time finding what I'm looking for online, and mapquest and google maps have gotten me lost so many times! I don't have a GPS, but I've been with people who do, and they get lost, too!
Paper map? Find my way every time. LOL
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I'm not worried.
Yes, that much is clear. When you use the word "we" in your post above, I hope it's clear that you don't speak for me or any of the John and Marlena fan contingent I know :) I'm a John and Marlena fan and I don't feel the same way you do. No one should talk for anyone.
Personally I'm pleased to see Marlena wanting to go rescue John. Could she have had more to do? Sure. But the story isn't over. John's had one episode with Paul in 2016, today.
And while Paul's backstory is bad, Drake and Christopher work well together. I've enjoyed Deidre and CS too when they had shared scenes.
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Mar 18 2016, 07:26 PM
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I see what you're saying. I don't have a problem with it in some respects. All Joey had seen of Ava since he found out what she was really after was her manipulation of his father, her blackmail, her attacking his mother and holding her hostage. Then he heard Ava was trying to frame his mom, so he knew she was a threat. He'd been drinking, too. Not exactly a recipe for clear thinking for anyone, much less a sixteen year old. He was trying to protect his mom, and he was way off in the way he did it. So I can see why people would want to protect him. I understand why Steve and Kayla are. They're Joey's parents, and they have a natural inclination to want to shield him. But Roman is crossing too many lines for his position as police commander.
I tend to agree about Roman, but it's not like this is a new thing for him. He's covered for Sami, Marlena, and now Hope (and Rafe). Heck, even RoJohn covered for Bo when he found out he was the Riverfront Raider. He might have even covered for Kayla in the Marina stuff if Abe hadn't stuck his nose into things. I'm not saying it's right, but it's not out of character. I don't think the Stefano stuff is over so I'm not convinced there won't be any consequences down the line. I don't recall a lot of detail about the Riverfront Raider storyline (outside of ShawnD being deaf for a while, it starting Carly/Bo, Steve dying :(, and Kayla moving in with Shane), but I don't recall RoJohn covering for Bo as the Riverfront Raider. He didn't have any evidence against him, just a personality profile and RoJohn knew Bo didn't hurt Steve. When RoJohn did get some evidence related to the riverfront raider and a killing Bo did NOT do, RoJohn still confronted Bo and said he was a cop and couldn't cover for him if he had hard evidence. Also, Bo was helping people, not killing anyone.
Since I loved RoJohn, I could have missed him outright violating his duties as a cop and hiding/dismissing evidence, but I only remembered it as buying time.
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Yes, that much is clear. When you use the word "we" in your post above, I hope it's clear that you don't speak for me or any of the John and Marlena fan contingent I know :)
I'm a John and Marlena fan and I don't feel the same way you do. No one should talk for anyone. Personally I'm pleased to see Marlena wanting to go rescue John. Could she have had more to do? Sure. But the story isn't over. John's had one episode with Paul in 2016, today. And while Paul's backstory is bad, Drake and Christopher work well together. I've enjoyed Deidre and CS too when they had shared scenes. Ditto, I'm a John and Marlena fan, but I love the John and Paul scenes and hope they continue. Days needs to mix the vets with the younger generation and create a well rounded show, not little silos.
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I'm a John and Marlena fan and I don't feel the same way you do. No one should talk for anyone. Personally I'm pleased to see Marlena wanting to go rescue John. Could she have had more to do? Sure. But the story isn't over. John's had one episode with Paul in 2016, today. And while Paul's backstory is bad, Drake and Christopher work well together. I've enjoyed Deidre and CS too when they had shared scenes.
Ditto, I'm a John and Marlena fan, but I love the John and Paul scenes and hope they continue. Days needs to mix the vets with the younger generation and create a well rounded show, not little silos. Yep. And Paul adds a few levels of diversity too. John and Marlena spent almost all of this regimes writing together talking about their feelings. There's no crime letting them interact with other people. Plus I still can't wait to see them reunite next week.
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