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Friday, March 18th Episode Discussion
Topic Started: Mar 17 2016, 07:37 PM (17,105 Views)
Kyrai
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lysie
Mar 18 2016, 06:08 PM
John's Past
I'm fine with this story. No, we didn't need to go down this road again, but since they decided to take us down it anyway, I'm glad it at least makes sense, fits the history we already know, and is being done well. My continued issue, though, is that they keep giving the stories to John. He has been the center of pretty much every story they've had for the last decade...if not longer. Enough. I'm hoping Marlena's place in this story increases this coming week, but ultimately, if they insist on giving "them" a story, I'd rather see her than him. And they clearly would prefer that too, since they keep her around more than they do him, but for whatever reason that just never translates into anything. But don't be fooled. I don't need stories about them. I'd like to see them with their family. I'm fine with them supporting. I'd just like to see her get supported more often than him. Plus, John now has some friends (Eduardo, Steve), can Marlena have some?
I feel like Marlena should be like Alice (except she can't cook). She's friend to everyone. Would love to see her closer with Belle, Claire, Kayla, Julie, Jennifer, Hope, Maggie (sans Summer), the troubled teens who could sure use some counseling, etc. And I like her with guys too, Chad, Steve, Eric. Marlena is kinda universal to me. Alice used to be like a shrink who helped everyone with their problems. Marlena IS a shrink. I don't like how they've isolated her so much either.
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Kyrai
Mar 18 2016, 07:40 PM
lysie
Mar 18 2016, 06:08 PM
John's Past
I'm fine with this story. No, we didn't need to go down this road again, but since they decided to take us down it anyway, I'm glad it at least makes sense, fits the history we already know, and is being done well. My continued issue, though, is that they keep giving the stories to John. He has been the center of pretty much every story they've had for the last decade...if not longer. Enough. I'm hoping Marlena's place in this story increases this coming week, but ultimately, if they insist on giving "them" a story, I'd rather see her than him. And they clearly would prefer that too, since they keep her around more than they do him, but for whatever reason that just never translates into anything. But don't be fooled. I don't need stories about them. I'd like to see them with their family. I'm fine with them supporting. I'd just like to see her get supported more often than him. Plus, John now has some friends (Eduardo, Steve), can Marlena have some?
I feel like Marlena should be like Alice (except she can't cook). She's friend to everyone. Would love to see her closer with Belle, Claire, Kayla, Julie, Jennifer, Hope, Maggie (sans Summer), the troubled teens who could sure use some counseling, etc. And I like her with guys too, Chad, Steve, Eric. Marlena is kinda universal to me. Alice used to be like a shrink who helped everyone with their problems. Marlena IS a shrink. I don't like how they've isolated her so much either.
Rafe couldn't even think of someone to call to come support her at the hospital Wednesday. Terrible.
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lysie
Mar 18 2016, 07:42 PM
Kyrai
Mar 18 2016, 07:40 PM
lysie
Mar 18 2016, 06:08 PM
John's Past
I'm fine with this story. No, we didn't need to go down this road again, but since they decided to take us down it anyway, I'm glad it at least makes sense, fits the history we already know, and is being done well. My continued issue, though, is that they keep giving the stories to John. He has been the center of pretty much every story they've had for the last decade...if not longer. Enough. I'm hoping Marlena's place in this story increases this coming week, but ultimately, if they insist on giving "them" a story, I'd rather see her than him. And they clearly would prefer that too, since they keep her around more than they do him, but for whatever reason that just never translates into anything. But don't be fooled. I don't need stories about them. I'd like to see them with their family. I'm fine with them supporting. I'd just like to see her get supported more often than him. Plus, John now has some friends (Eduardo, Steve), can Marlena have some?
I feel like Marlena should be like Alice (except she can't cook). She's friend to everyone. Would love to see her closer with Belle, Claire, Kayla, Julie, Jennifer, Hope, Maggie (sans Summer), the troubled teens who could sure use some counseling, etc. And I like her with guys too, Chad, Steve, Eric. Marlena is kinda universal to me. Alice used to be like a shrink who helped everyone with their problems. Marlena IS a shrink. I don't like how they've isolated her so much either.
Rafe couldn't even think of someone to call to come support her at the hospital Wednesday. Terrible.
That was just downright pathetic. Doc has no friends! I miss Laura and Lexie and....Carrie. Carrie would have been there. Sigh. Marlena has no bff!
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lysie
Mar 18 2016, 07:42 PM
Kyrai
Mar 18 2016, 07:40 PM
lysie
Mar 18 2016, 06:08 PM
John's Past
I'm fine with this story. No, we didn't need to go down this road again, but since they decided to take us down it anyway, I'm glad it at least makes sense, fits the history we already know, and is being done well. My continued issue, though, is that they keep giving the stories to John. He has been the center of pretty much every story they've had for the last decade...if not longer. Enough. I'm hoping Marlena's place in this story increases this coming week, but ultimately, if they insist on giving "them" a story, I'd rather see her than him. And they clearly would prefer that too, since they keep her around more than they do him, but for whatever reason that just never translates into anything. But don't be fooled. I don't need stories about them. I'd like to see them with their family. I'm fine with them supporting. I'd just like to see her get supported more often than him. Plus, John now has some friends (Eduardo, Steve), can Marlena have some?
I feel like Marlena should be like Alice (except she can't cook). She's friend to everyone. Would love to see her closer with Belle, Claire, Kayla, Julie, Jennifer, Hope, Maggie (sans Summer), the troubled teens who could sure use some counseling, etc. And I like her with guys too, Chad, Steve, Eric. Marlena is kinda universal to me. Alice used to be like a shrink who helped everyone with their problems. Marlena IS a shrink. I don't like how they've isolated her so much either.
Rafe couldn't even think of someone to call to come support her at the hospital Wednesday. Terrible.
I don't know how he forgot Eric.
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Mar 18 2016, 07:49 PM
lysie
Mar 18 2016, 07:42 PM
Kyrai
Mar 18 2016, 07:40 PM

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Rafe couldn't even think of someone to call to come support her at the hospital Wednesday. Terrible.
I don't know how he forgot Eric.
I'd love to blame him, but she didn't think of him either.
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Kyrai
Mar 18 2016, 07:40 PM
lysie
Mar 18 2016, 06:08 PM
John's Past
I'm fine with this story. No, we didn't need to go down this road again, but since they decided to take us down it anyway, I'm glad it at least makes sense, fits the history we already know, and is being done well. My continued issue, though, is that they keep giving the stories to John. He has been the center of pretty much every story they've had for the last decade...if not longer. Enough. I'm hoping Marlena's place in this story increases this coming week, but ultimately, if they insist on giving "them" a story, I'd rather see her than him. And they clearly would prefer that too, since they keep her around more than they do him, but for whatever reason that just never translates into anything. But don't be fooled. I don't need stories about them. I'd like to see them with their family. I'm fine with them supporting. I'd just like to see her get supported more often than him. Plus, John now has some friends (Eduardo, Steve), can Marlena have some?
I feel like Marlena should be like Alice (except she can't cook). She's friend to everyone. Would love to see her closer with Belle, Claire, Kayla, Julie, Jennifer, Hope, Maggie (sans Summer), the troubled teens who could sure use some counseling, etc. And I like her with guys too, Chad, Steve, Eric. Marlena is kinda universal to me. Alice used to be like a shrink who helped everyone with their problems. Marlena IS a shrink. I don't like how they've isolated her so much either.
I'm at the point where a happily married (or together) John and Marlena interacting with multiple generations and across stories is where they should be at. No make up, break up. No brainwashing for the two of them. Just being core central characters who happen to still be insanely in love
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Especially lately, so many characters could have used (and, well, still could use) therapy and, yet, Marlena has stayed there on an island. It's a shame. Maybe her per episode is too high for their taste? Eh, they could have her doing more in the episodes they actually do put her in.
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Half Halt
Mar 18 2016, 07:01 PM
lysie
Mar 18 2016, 03:17 PM
Well. Most unrealistic thing today? A paper map. Come now, Days.
I still use them. LOL
Me too .. and while traveling recently, someone told me that it was "quaint." :flipoff: (<<<obviously not at you)
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Lovejm
Mar 18 2016, 11:14 AM
Gabi with Eduardo. Thanking him for saving Ari
No Arianna in sight. Gabi said she was sleeping. Did not see her in the hospital room. Must be with the sitter (is this the same day they were rescued?)
Edited by kay, Mar 18 2016, 09:26 PM.
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#SorryNotSorry

The pacing on the John kidnapping is not great... there's not a lot of suspense being built on the rescue side, and if you're not drawn in by the mystique of Yo Ling, well... that's all I'll say about that.

I liked Joey trying to confess and not being okay with having murdered Ava... I understand why Kayla is trying to protect him, and I think it's a much better way of having a good character be in the wrong than a lot of what they've had her do recently. Loved the Hope/Kayla talk, wish it was longer but I'll take it.

Liked the Gabi/Eduardo talk, and it was nice to see Dario with someone he's related to.

If I had just tuned into today, I would have thought Claire/Ciara was the rooting couple. I'm usually more of a fan of VJ, but her dance on the bar was not good.
Edited by granolagirl, Mar 18 2016, 08:25 PM.
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kay
Mar 18 2016, 08:07 PM
Lovejm
Mar 18 2016, 11:14 AM
Gabi with Eduardo. Thanking him for saving Ari
No Arianna in sight. Gabi said she was sleeping. Did not see her in the hospital roo. Must be with the sitter (is this the same day they were rescued?)
The way she answered Eduardo about where she was, I thought she was there with her. I guess not.
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Today's show was much better. I was bored with the Gabi Eduardo scenes but I enjoyed the stuff at the townhouse. Marlena telling them she dealt with this for years was great. And I really love that they set this up for her to go after them on her own.

Hope knows Marlena and Kayla this week. Wow!

I liked how john tried to teach Paul how to break the chains. First lesson in escaping captivity. I really didn't expect the angle of Paul being the soldier John failed to be.

Claire's song for Ciara was a weird choice.

I think it would be cool if Paul appeared to be free of the brainwashing but it surfaced later.

Really hoping to see Marlena and Belle Monday
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Lovejm
Mar 18 2016, 07:51 PM
Kyrai
Mar 18 2016, 07:40 PM
lysie
Mar 18 2016, 06:08 PM
John's Past
I'm fine with this story. No, we didn't need to go down this road again, but since they decided to take us down it anyway, I'm glad it at least makes sense, fits the history we already know, and is being done well. My continued issue, though, is that they keep giving the stories to John. He has been the center of pretty much every story they've had for the last decade...if not longer. Enough. I'm hoping Marlena's place in this story increases this coming week, but ultimately, if they insist on giving "them" a story, I'd rather see her than him. And they clearly would prefer that too, since they keep her around more than they do him, but for whatever reason that just never translates into anything. But don't be fooled. I don't need stories about them. I'd like to see them with their family. I'm fine with them supporting. I'd just like to see her get supported more often than him. Plus, John now has some friends (Eduardo, Steve), can Marlena have some?
I feel like Marlena should be like Alice (except she can't cook). She's friend to everyone. Would love to see her closer with Belle, Claire, Kayla, Julie, Jennifer, Hope, Maggie (sans Summer), the troubled teens who could sure use some counseling, etc. And I like her with guys too, Chad, Steve, Eric. Marlena is kinda universal to me. Alice used to be like a shrink who helped everyone with their problems. Marlena IS a shrink. I don't like how they've isolated her so much either.
I'm at the point where a happily married (or together) John and Marlena interacting with multiple generations and across stories is where they should be at. No make up, break up. No brainwashing for the two of them. Just being core central characters who happen to still be insanely in love
As a long time John & Marlena fan, speaking only for myself, sorry, but I want more. And there is nothing wrong with that.
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Josephinejms
Mar 18 2016, 08:56 PM
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Mar 18 2016, 07:51 PM
Kyrai
Mar 18 2016, 07:40 PM

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I'm at the point where a happily married (or together) John and Marlena interacting with multiple generations and across stories is where they should be at. No make up, break up. No brainwashing for the two of them. Just being core central characters who happen to still be insanely in love
As a long time John & Marlena fan, speaking only for myself, sorry, but I want more. And there is nothing wrong with that.
No there isn't. But I said I want them active and engaged across generations and stories. I don't want them on cruises and showing up twice a year. I personally just don't need to see them break up anymore. They've done that a dozen times.
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Lovejm
Mar 18 2016, 07:23 PM
I'm a John and Marlena fan and I don't feel the same way you do. No one should talk for anyone.
I'm a John & Marlena fan too and I don't feel as you do. But I do feel as Andromeda does.
Edited by Josephinejms, Mar 18 2016, 09:10 PM.
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I love to see John and Marlena to gets more air time,but this Yo Lin story doesn't get me too excited to watch his scenes. As the matter of fact it puts me to sleep. Gosh can they Kill off the old man and let me to enjoy the show. Sometimes I asked myself what the hell am I watching,Really? They keep bringing actors and don't know how to act. In my opinion I would rather all teens to leave except Joey, Ciara and Theo. The rest are bored me to death just like Theresa, Maggie, Summer, Lani, Philip and Rafe.
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Lovejm
Mar 18 2016, 07:23 PM
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Mar 18 2016, 07:16 PM
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Mar 18 2016, 07:04 PM

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Yes, that much is clear.

When you use the word "we" in your post above, I hope it's clear that you don't speak for me or any of the John and Marlena fan contingent I know :)
I'm a John and Marlena fan and I don't feel the same way you do. No one should talk for anyone.

Personally I'm pleased to see Marlena wanting to go rescue John. Could she have had more to do? Sure. But the story isn't over. John's had one episode with Paul in 2016, today.

And while Paul's backstory is bad, Drake and Christopher work well together. I've enjoyed Deidre and CS too when they had shared scenes.
You certainly don't feel the way I do and I don't purport to speak for you. I don't know you outside of what you post on here. As I said in my post, I was speaking of the John and Marlena fan contingent *I know*. At the risk of repeating myself, I don't know you. Believe it or not, there are others (who, yes, you guessed it, I know) who feel differently to you about this show, its treatment of John and Marlena and what constitutes a good story, let alone a good John and Marlena story. Like you, I'm allowed to express my opinion on that without being told that the story hasn't come to an end yet or that one line here or there about something ought to be enough. For me, a story is only as good as the last episode; its last piece of dialogue, a character's last action. These are the things that make up a story. If I am constantly telling myself, disregard this and disregard that and wait, something good will happen or it will be written the way it should eventually, or at least Marlena walked on set in the background or at least she told him she loved him three episodes ago, then it's just not good.

As for Marlena wanting to go and rescue John - thank god for small miracles. That's all that's left - to remove that element completely and there wouldn't even be two seconds of her in this "John and Marlena story".
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Mar 18 2016, 08:58 PM
No there isn't. But I said I want them active and engaged across generations and stories. I don't want them on cruises and showing up twice a year. I personally just don't need to see them break up anymore. They've done that a dozen times.
I don't want them off on cruises either. I want them to have a story. A real story. I have also never said they shouldn't interact with other characters, but they spend more time with other characters than they do with each other! A LOT more.

That's cool for those J&M fans on this board who like these crumbs tho! But wow, how far this show has fallen when it comes to the storylines and execution. All of them. Not just j&m. Hell, even the crumbs now don't come close to being as good as the crumbs of the past.

I wouldn't be here if I didn't care. I'm glad some are getting what they want out of it, but I'll just keep hoping beyond hope, that I will get something substantial. Not just fluff.
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Mar 18 2016, 03:32 PM
lysie
Mar 18 2016, 03:18 PM
Awww. Poor Paul.
When he cries, I nearly cry. He's almost as good as FS crying.
He is a better crier than F.S. At least you see tears when C.S. cries.
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Mar 18 2016, 08:58 PM
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Mar 18 2016, 08:56 PM
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Mar 18 2016, 07:51 PM

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As a long time John & Marlena fan, speaking only for myself, sorry, but I want more. And there is nothing wrong with that.
No there isn't. But I said I want them active and engaged across generations and stories. I don't want them on cruises and showing up twice a year. I personally just don't need to see them break up anymore. They've done that a dozen times.
I agree with this. I think there is a lot of room for J&M (and S&K) to be involved with their kids and various friends and family in really important ways. That doesn't mean they can't have stories centered on them at times too, just that they don't have to carry the show.

Unfortunately (or not, depending on how you look at it), it's not the 80's or 90's anymore and they've done about every break up and get back together story there is at this point. I think there is more room in that area for S&K and I wouldn't mind having one more slow burn reunion for them, but I like John and Marlena together and, mostly, happy.

Half the town needs a psychiatrist and we still have BlackPatch to get going at some point. :)
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