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Friday, March 18th Episode Discussion
Topic Started: Mar 17 2016, 07:37 PM (17,104 Views)
Josephinejms


andromeda
Mar 18 2016, 09:08 PM
Like you, I'm allowed to express my opinion on that without being told that the story hasn't come to an end yet or that one line here or there about something ought to be enough. For me, a story is only as good as the last episode; its last piece of dialogue, a character's last action. These are the things that make up a story. If I am constantly telling myself, disregard this and disregard that and wait, something good will happen or it will be written the way it should eventually, or at least Marlena walked on set in the background or at least she told him she loved him three episodes ago, then it's just not good.
So true. Everyone should be allowed to how express how they feel the story is going, based on the current point in time. Otherwise, all discussion boards should go "dark" until the end of said stories! 😜
Edited by Josephinejms, Mar 18 2016, 09:26 PM.
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Lovejm


esp13
Mar 18 2016, 09:23 PM
Lovejm
Mar 18 2016, 08:58 PM
Josephinejms
Mar 18 2016, 08:56 PM

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No there isn't. But I said I want them active and engaged across generations and stories. I don't want them on cruises and showing up twice a year. I personally just don't need to see them break up anymore. They've done that a dozen times.
I agree with this. I think there is a lot of room for J&M (and S&K) to be involved with their kids and various friends and family in really important ways. That doesn't mean they can't have stories centered on them at times too, just that they don't have to carry the show.

Unfortunately (or not, depending on how you look at it), it's not the 80's or 90's anymore and they've done about every break up and get back together story there is at this point. I think there is more room in that area for S&K and I wouldn't mind having one more slow burn reunion for them, but I like John and Marlena together and, mostly, happy.

Half the town needs a psychiatrist and we still have BlackPatch to get going at some point. :)
I want BlackPatch so much. They must get their offices they talked about at DOD after this kidnapping and Steve gets cleared. And the teens should be lined up at Marlena's door lol

I do agree there may be a little more room for S&K with the make up break up because they were off camera so long and still have issues to work through. J&M have told those kinds of stories too much already.

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Half Halt


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Mar 18 2016, 07:55 PM
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Mar 18 2016, 07:01 PM
lysie
Mar 18 2016, 03:17 PM
Well. Most unrealistic thing today? A paper map. Come now, Days.
I still use them. LOL
Me too .. and while traveling recently, someone told me that it was "quaint." :flipoff: (<<<obviously not at you)
Quaint my ass! :blulaugh: I have friends who have been here many times, but still call me to ask how to get here if their GPS isn't working. They don't even know where they are going. GPS tells them what to do. Spoiled. They are all simply spoiled! :blulaugh:

I like maps. :cheers:
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Lovejm
Mar 18 2016, 09:26 PM
esp13
Mar 18 2016, 09:23 PM
Lovejm
Mar 18 2016, 08:58 PM

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I agree with this. I think there is a lot of room for J&M (and S&K) to be involved with their kids and various friends and family in really important ways. That doesn't mean they can't have stories centered on them at times too, just that they don't have to carry the show.

Unfortunately (or not, depending on how you look at it), it's not the 80's or 90's anymore and they've done about every break up and get back together story there is at this point. I think there is more room in that area for S&K and I wouldn't mind having one more slow burn reunion for them, but I like John and Marlena together and, mostly, happy.

Half the town needs a psychiatrist and we still have BlackPatch to get going at some point. :)
I want BlackPatch so much. They must get their offices they talked about at DOD after this kidnapping and Steve gets cleared. And the teens should be lined up at Marlena's door lol

I do agree there may be a little more room for S&K with the make up break up because they were off camera so long and still have issues to work through. J&M have told those kinds of stories too much already.

I want BlackPatch to get going too. In part because I'd like Steve to have a job this time around. ;)

I'm really hoping that when this kidnapping is over, we'll see Marlena working with Ciara and Joey. We know DH had scenes with VJ and I just can't imagine Joey won't need some counseling.

And I'd like the guys to work together on something fun. Maybe a little trouble but more of the fun kind for a little while.

I wish they would use the friendships more too. I'd love to see Kayla, Hope, and Marlena out for a girls night and chat.
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Josephinejms
Mar 18 2016, 09:09 PM
Lovejm
Mar 18 2016, 08:58 PM
No there isn't. But I said I want them active and engaged across generations and stories. I don't want them on cruises and showing up twice a year. I personally just don't need to see them break up anymore. They've done that a dozen times.
I don't want them off on cruises either. I want them to have a story. A real story. I have also never said they shouldn't interact with other characters, but they spend more time with other characters than they do with each other! A LOT more.

That's cool for those J&M fans on this board who like these crumbs tho! But wow, how far this show has fallen when it comes to the storylines and execution. All of them. Not just j&m. Hell, even the crumbs now don't come close to being as good as the crumbs of the past.

I wouldn't be here if I didn't care. I'm glad some are getting what they want out of it, but I'll just keep hoping beyond hope, that I will get something substantial. Not just fluff.
OMG the bolded is so true! It's sad.
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Josephinejms


esp13
Mar 18 2016, 09:23 PM
Unfortunately (or not, depending on how you look at it), it's not the 80's or 90's anymore and they've done about every break up and get back together story there is at this point. I think there is more room in that area for S&K and I wouldn't mind having one more slow burn reunion for them, but I like John and Marlena together and, mostly, happy.
I'm not advocating a break-up story. I'm advocating a good story. Sadly, this has been a systemic problem for years with the writers...the belief that a story for a couple has to involve a break-up. It doesn't. It also doesn't matter what decade we are in.

Rich characters, rich history, it's all right there for the taking. A shame TPTB don't want it, and a bigger shame that some are content with that.
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Lovejm


esp13
Mar 18 2016, 09:31 PM
Lovejm
Mar 18 2016, 09:26 PM
esp13
Mar 18 2016, 09:23 PM

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I want BlackPatch so much. They must get their offices they talked about at DOD after this kidnapping and Steve gets cleared. And the teens should be lined up at Marlena's door lol

I do agree there may be a little more room for S&K with the make up break up because they were off camera so long and still have issues to work through. J&M have told those kinds of stories too much already.

I want BlackPatch to get going too. In part because I'd like Steve to have a job this time around. ;)

I'm really hoping that when this kidnapping is over, we'll see Marlena working with Ciara and Joey. We know DH had scenes with VJ and I just can't imagine Joey won't need some counseling.

And I'd like the guys to work together on something fun. Maybe a little trouble but more of the fun kind for a little while.

I wish they would use the friendships more too. I'd love to see Kayla, Hope, and Marlena out for a girls night and chat.
Those three women need multiple bottles of wine. Lol. Maybe they'll go to Belle's club

Yea the guys both need jobs actually. And every case doesn't have to be life or death. It could be fun.
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Josephinejms
Mar 18 2016, 09:33 PM
esp13
Mar 18 2016, 09:23 PM
Unfortunately (or not, depending on how you look at it), it's not the 80's or 90's anymore and they've done about every break up and get back together story there is at this point. I think there is more room in that area for S&K and I wouldn't mind having one more slow burn reunion for them, but I like John and Marlena together and, mostly, happy.
I'm not advocating a break-up story. I'm advocating a good story. Sadly, this has been a systemic problem for years with the writers...the belief that a story for a couple has to involve a break-up. It doesn't. It also doesn't matter what decade we are in.

Rich characters, rich history, it's all right there for the taking. A shame TPTB don't want it, and a bigger shame that some are content with that.
AMEN :wub2:
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Lovejm


Oh esp13, I forgot to add I have a bad feeling BlackPatch may end up in this Summer Dario con story since Drake worked with Alla's character early on. She said she was there for the Summer story.
Edited by Lovejm, Mar 18 2016, 09:37 PM.
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lysie


Lovejm
Mar 18 2016, 09:37 PM
Oh esp13, I forgot to add I have a bad feeling BlackPatch may end up in this Summer Dario con story since Drake worked with Alla's character early on
Aww, crap.
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Josephinejms
Mar 18 2016, 08:56 PM
Lovejm
Mar 18 2016, 07:51 PM
Kyrai
Mar 18 2016, 07:40 PM

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I'm at the point where a happily married (or together) John and Marlena interacting with multiple generations and across stories is where they should be at. No make up, break up. No brainwashing for the two of them. Just being core central characters who happen to still be insanely in love
As a long time John & Marlena fan, speaking only for myself, sorry, but I want more. And there is nothing wrong with that.
I always want more! I'm greedy that way about my soap. :D Why wouldn't I?
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Lovejm
Mar 18 2016, 09:33 PM
esp13
Mar 18 2016, 09:31 PM
Lovejm
Mar 18 2016, 09:26 PM

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I want BlackPatch to get going too. In part because I'd like Steve to have a job this time around. ;)

I'm really hoping that when this kidnapping is over, we'll see Marlena working with Ciara and Joey. We know DH had scenes with VJ and I just can't imagine Joey won't need some counseling.

And I'd like the guys to work together on something fun. Maybe a little trouble but more of the fun kind for a little while.

I wish they would use the friendships more too. I'd love to see Kayla, Hope, and Marlena out for a girls night and chat.
Those three women need multiple bottles of wine. Lol. Maybe they'll go to Belle's club

Yea the guys both need jobs actually. And every case doesn't have to be life or death. It could be fun.
I'd love to see them all at Belle's club with several bottles of wine. The kids could all drop in and be properly shocked by their mothers. Ooh ... And a little flirting with some cute waiters just in time for the guys to arrive and be just a little jealous. :). It could be a lot of fun and lord knows the show needs some fun.

Not that I don't want serious stuff too. But a little balance would be nice and taking advantage of these rich characters and their histories would be great.
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lysie
Mar 18 2016, 09:38 PM
Lovejm
Mar 18 2016, 09:37 PM
Oh esp13, I forgot to add I have a bad feeling BlackPatch may end up in this Summer Dario con story since Drake worked with Alla's character early on
Aww, crap.
Double crap.

But maybe it won't suck so much by then. Or the guys will make it better.
Edited by esp13, Mar 18 2016, 09:42 PM.
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Lovejm


esp13
Mar 18 2016, 09:40 PM
lysie
Mar 18 2016, 09:38 PM
Lovejm
Mar 18 2016, 09:37 PM
Oh esp13, I forgot to add I have a bad feeling BlackPatch may end up in this Summer Dario con story since Drake worked with Alla's character early on
Aww, crap.
Double crap.

But maybe it won't suck so much by then. Or the guys will make it better.
They can't possibly make it worse
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Thing is, though...we hear these spoilers, right? So we get excited because there's potential in them.

Marlena got attacked, remember? But we saw little reaction from her after that. Not from her...not from John. Unrealized potential.

Then, something happens, like Hope kills Stefano. But do John and Marlena get there and find out what she's done and try to shield her, because they KNOW Stefano can drive you over the edge? No. It's all about Rafe. It should've been John, Marlena, and Hope all the way down the line.

Or other things happen...like Ciara gets raped or Joey kills Ava. Do Hope or Kayla insist that Ciara or Joey get psychiatric help to deal with what happened, bringing Marlena into those stories more fully? Nope. And couldn't John find out Joey killed Ava, and try to help Steve clear him...these are possibilities we see that don't actually happen and they would allow John and Marlena to work, separately and together, and bring them into different stories as well as their own, which also has potential we aren't sure is going to be realized.

All this should be happening more often. It's more umbrella-like.
Edited by Kriss4, Mar 18 2016, 09:54 PM.
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Josephinejms


lysie
Mar 18 2016, 07:21 PM
Otherwise, go away.
Please don't go away Andromeda! 😱
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Lovejm


Kriss4
Mar 18 2016, 09:48 PM
Thing is, though...we hear these spoilers, right? So we get excited because there's potential in them.

Marlena got attacked, remember? But we saw little reaction from her after that. Not from her...not from John. Unrealized potential.

Then, something happens, like Hope kills Stefano. But do John and Marlena get there and find out what she's done and try to shield her, because they KNOW Stefano can drive you over the edge? No. It's all about Rafe. It should've been John, Marlena, and Hope all the way down the line.

Or other things happen...like Ciara gets raped or Joey kills Ava. Do Hope or Kayla insist that Ciara or Joey get psychiatric help to deal with what happened, bringing Marlena into those stories more fully? Nope. And John finding out Joey killed Ava, and trying to help Steve clear him...these are possibilities we see that don't actually happen and they would allow John and Marlena to work, separately and together.

All this should be happening more often. It's more umbrella-like.
I actually think my number one complaint about relationships and missing relationships right now is Shawn and Ciara. There is no reason he isn't involved with this rape. Or even for his baby sisters birthday.

At least the other characters actually have stuff going on so I get when they miss beats. Shawn has nothing really going on
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Josephinejms


Kriss4
Mar 18 2016, 09:48 PM
Thing is, though...we hear these spoilers, right? So we get excited because there's potential in them.

Marlena got attacked, remember? But we saw little reaction from her after that. Not from her...not from John. Unrealized potential.

Then, something happens, like Hope kills Stefano. But do John and Marlena get there and find out what she's done and try to shield her, because they KNOW Stefano can drive you over the edge? No. It's all about Rafe. It should've been John, Marlena, and Hope all the way down the line.

Or other things happen...like Ciara gets raped or Joey kills Ava. Do Hope or Kayla insist that Ciara or Joey get psychiatric help to deal with what happened, bringing Marlena into those stories more fully? Nope. And John finding out Joey killed Ava, and trying to help Steve clear him...these are possibilities we see that don't actually happen and they would allow John and Marlena to work, separately and together.

All this should be happening more often. It's more umbrella-like.
^^^^^ :cheer:
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Josephinejms
Mar 18 2016, 09:50 PM
lysie
Mar 18 2016, 07:21 PM
Otherwise, go away.
Please don't go away Andromeda! 😱
I won't be :)
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Kriss4
Mar 18 2016, 09:48 PM
Thing is, though...we hear these spoilers, right? So we get excited because there's potential in them.

Marlena got attacked, remember? But we saw little reaction from her after that. Not from her...not from John. Unrealized potential.

Then, something happens, like Hope kills Stefano. But do John and Marlena get there and find out what she's done and try to shield her, because they KNOW Stefano can drive you over the edge? No. It's all about Rafe. It should've been John, Marlena, and Hope all the way down the line.

Or other things happen...like Ciara gets raped or Joey kills Ava. Do Hope or Kayla insist that Ciara or Joey get psychiatric help to deal with what happened, bringing Marlena into those stories more fully? Nope. And couldn't John find out Joey killed Ava, and try to help Steve clear him...these are possibilities we see that don't actually happen and they would allow John and Marlena to work, separately and together, and bring them into different stories as well as their own, which also has potential we aren't sure is going to be realized.

All this should be happening more often. It's more umbrella-like.
Really.

Marlena Interaction Potential
Abby's kidnapping (Therapy)
Hope, Chase, Ciara (the murder attempt, two dead fathers; Therapy)
Hope murders Stefano (that would have been so much better with S/K or/and J/M trying to help her versus whatever the phuck Rafe was doing)
Even the Daniel freak show (the millions in grief over him)

John Interaction Potential
Hope murders Stefano
Kayla's kidnapping and the whole Ava mess

It wasn't just J/M in a bubble during this time (and EVEN still but to a lesser degree) but, sigh...

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I actually think my number one complaint about relationships and missing relationships right now is Shawn and Ciara. There is no reason he isn't involved with this rape. Or even for his baby sisters birthday.


That's just bizarre. I'm not sure why they bothered bringing BB back and cutting him a check at this point as they clearly don't want to write much anything for Shawn. Shawn & Ciara didn't grow up together but still... How does Rafe get a quick Ciara rape scene and Shawn nada? Shawn was always a bit of a mama's boy too so the lack of interaction with mom/sis after all that's gone down is even more bizarre.
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